MJ's: Fleer #57 vs Star #101

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

There’s a starman hating on PCP
He wishes he could be him
But I think it’d blow his mind

PCP hating on me cuz he ain't got a 101

So are you one of his Ziggy Stardust group shiller burnerbois too?

Truth here is yall actually hating on me because I preached about Star 101 years ago and many haters on this thread are either priced out or so overleveraged in less important cards they can't get out of them for that much more than they paid.

This does not concern me and the hobby is finally starting to realize the importance of the card especially after PSA stepped forwarded and righted their wrong of not grading them which actually surpressed the value of the 101 in contrast to the "recent surge" in value was long overdue as it was undervalued FOR YEARS before all the masses tried to convince me what the definition of a rookie card is per Dr James Beckett circa 1991

Perhaps invest in an "investing 101 for dummies"

What's really comical is how the same haters NOW scramble to purchase a 101 after years of denial about the importance of the card

Now the same PMG guys are trying to jump on the 101 bandwagon because ain't much else rising these days

It really is entertaining to watch how these children behave

PS: I am a musician and the Bowie song was half the reason I created my screen name besides my love for the card. I am glad you finally figured this out about me!!!

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Starman101

So are you one of his Ziggy Stardust group shiller burnerbois too?

I think I'm one of those but for Station to Station

[YouTheManNick]

Originally Posted by Starman101

PCP hating on me cuz he ain't got a 101

So are you one of his Ziggy Stardust group shiller burnerbois too?

Truth here is yall actually hating on me because I preached about Star 101 years ago and many haters on this thread are either priced out or so overleveraged in less important cards they can't get out of them for that much more than they paid.

This does not concern me and the hobby is finally starting to realize the importance of the card especially after PSA stepped forwarded and righted their wrong of not grading them which actually surpressed the value of the 101 in contrast to the "recent surge" in value was long overdue as it was undervalued FOR YEARS before all the masses tried to convince me what the definition of a rookie card is per Dr James Beckett circa 1991

Perhaps invest in an "investing 101 for dummies"

What's really comical is how the same haters NOW scramble to purchase a 101 after years of denial about the importance of the card

Now the same PMG guys are trying to jump on the 101 bandwagon because ain't much else rising these days

It really is entertaining to watch how these children behave

PS: I am a musician and the Bowie song was half the reason I created my screen name besides my love for the card. I am glad you finally figured this out about me!!!

This is just about everything wrong with cards these days. Nothing about actually loving the card or wanting to own it to collect it.

It's just about "Importance" and investing and needing PSA to validate it and talking down on people who would rather own something else.

"It really is entertaining to watch how these children behave"

You're right, man. It is entertaining watching how you behave.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by YouTheManNick

You're right, man. It is entertaining watching how you behave.

[pcptrade]

#rentfree. I hate all the Star 101 holders because I can't afford one and I am jealous

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by YouTheManNick

This is just about everything wrong with cards these days. Nothing about actually loving the card or wanting to own it to collect it.

It's just about "Importance" and investing and needing PSA to validate it and talking down on people who would rather own something else.

"It really is entertaining to watch how these children behave"

You're right, man. It is entertaining watching how you behave.

Spot on man.

Imagine having a p*ssing contest on the internet where you are trying to brag that you bought a piece of kardboard you "liked" way back and then trying to tell others how important it and you are.

That's some very low pettiness.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Spot on man.

Imagine having a p*ssing contest on the internet where you are trying to brag that you bought a piece of kardboard you "liked" way back and then trying to tell others how important it and you are.

That's some very low pettiness.

except that you do the same in your own way with Tim Duncan vis a vis his usual #8-10 all-time ranking

it's just that you're right in that case

so you just dunked on yourself with your generalization

[YouTheManNick]

I do want to say - since I've gone off the rails on this thread a bit. For some reason, this thread has struck a chord with me like no others in recent history.

Even though I personally have no interest in the card, I do agree that it does have importance.

Like it or not, it's a licensed MJ card from his rookie year. It absolutely should have value and continue to have value.

But lots of things have value. Lots of cards, comics, freaking video games, stocks, coins, real estate, etc. etc. etc.

You can't have everything that's valuable... and if you can, then you're so wealthy it doesn't matter to you.

So. You make your choices. You choose your lanes based on how you want to spend your money.

If you want to invest in this card because you think it's important, go right ahead. But don't try to act superior over others who don't want it and say we "missed out." I guarantee you most if not all of us are doing just fine with our cards. Especially those of us who were in it long before covid.

My issues with the card are purely collecting based. I just don't like it. I do not want it in my collection. And I don't trust the sale that sparked this thread. It's drowning in red flags.

But yes. The card should absolutely have value.

[Hellcat]

Starman101 well said brother! Yes alot of Jordan Collectors/investors are scrambling to secure a nice copy as they're drying up thus the huge run up in the card. Alot more room to grow it's early stages men you can still jump on the train it hasn't completely left the station yet! Once it hits 100k for nice 7s most will be priced out.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Starman101 well said brother! Yes alot of Jordan Collectors/investors are scrambling to secure a nice copy as they're drying up thus the huge run up in the card. Alot more room to grow it's early stages men you can still jump on the train it hasn't completely left the station yet! Once it hits 100k for nice 7s most will be priced out.

That is some good Bbases vibes right there.

[hermanotarjeta]

If china can replicate prizm Wembys, they can certainly replicate star 101 and fleer 57.

Though Star 101 would be the easier target due to inferior production.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

If china can replicate prizm Wembys, they can certainly replicate star 101 and fleer 57.

Though Star 101 would be the easier target due to inferior production.

I was sold on the recent pump and was going to try it (purchase the Star 101) for the third time thinking that third time's a charm but you ruined it for me with your post.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

That is some good Bbases vibes right there.

100 percent.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Starman101 well said brother! Yes alot of Jordan Collectors/investors are scrambling to secure a nice copy as they're drying up thus the huge run up in the card. Alot more room to grow it's early stages men you can still jump on the train it hasn't completely left the station yet! Once it hits 100k for nice 7s most will be priced out.

and yet you don't even enjoy looking at your 101 do you

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

and yet you don't even enjoy looking at your 101 do you

I do but haven't for awhile it's in the PSA Vault. I know it's where it all started!

[Archangel1775]

Pretty sure this is going to recycle every 2 years where some randoms are "looking to secure" the XRC. Get it now!

[BambinoShuffle]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

"looking to secure"

Totally secure in my insecurity.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

If china can replicate prizm Wembys, they can certainly replicate star 101 and fleer 57.

Though Star 101 would be the easier target due to inferior production.

Unfortunately, the Star 101 will without a doubt be counterfeited to the moon. The newfound notoriety of the PSA grading will no doubt push a new emphasis. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see a Nat Turner tweet about how many fakes PSA has caught of the Star 101 in the coming years

[discodanman45]

As someone who owns neither card and would like to own both cards, the Fleer 86 is now the better buy and if I owned the 101 it would be sold or traded in the next month. Once pumps like this start, they don't last long. Most people are buying them to flip and will sell them at a loss 6 months from now when they need the money. Easy to pump something with low pops and a card that you would have to be insane to buy raw.

If you showed the 1986 and 101 Jordan to 100 random people (not Blowout members) and asked them which is his rookie card, 99 of them would say the 1986 Fleer. 95 of them would probably say, what the heck is this Star card? The vast majority of new people coming into the hobby would want the Fleer Jordan. There are not many iconic cards in this hobby and the 1986 Fleer Jordan is just that.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

As someone who owns neither card and would like to own both cards, the Fleer 86 is now the better buy and if I owned the 101 it would be sold or traded in the next month. Once pumps like this start, they don't last long. Most people are buying them to flip and will sell them at a loss 6 months from now when they need the money. Easy to pump something with low pops and a card that you would have to be insane to buy raw.

If you showed the 1986 and 101 Jordan to 100 random people (not Blowout members) and asked them which is his rookie card, 99 of them would say the 1986 Fleer. 95 of them would probably say, what the heck is this Star card? The vast majority of new people coming into the hobby would want the Fleer Jordan. There are not many iconic cards in this hobby and the 1986 Fleer Jordan is just that.

100 truly random people wouldn’t care about either

You know this

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by asujbl

100 truly random people wouldn’t care about either

You know this

They wouldn't care, but a lot of them would recognize the 1986 Fleer Jordan just as they would recognize a 1952 Topps Mantle.

[r338]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

They wouldn't care, but a lot of them would recognize the 1986 Fleer Jordan just as they would recognize a 1952 Topps Mantle.

Truly random people do not care about the 1986 Fleer. They do no care about 1952 Topps or 1951 Bowman. They do not care about 1915 Sporting News or 1933 Goudey.

You might think they are iconic but random people outside the hobby do not care.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by r338

Truly random people do not care about the 1986 Fleer. They do no care about 1952 Topps or 1951 Bowman. They do not care about 1915 Sporting News or 1933 Goudey.

You might think they are iconic but random people outside the hobby do not care.

There are a lot of people not directly in this hobby who have bought a 1986 Fleer Jordan. Be it a sneakerhead or someone who wants it as a display piece. My friend has the card on display in his law office and he has no other cards. Just wanted it to display with some other memorabilia he has.

If someone comes into the hobby, they will immediately gravitate to the 1986 Fleer Jordan. They don't want a lesson of pop reports, RC/XRC, or Star cards. The 1986 Jordan and 1989 Griffey UD cards are worth way more than they should be. However, constant demand keeps their prices up.

[YouTheManNick]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

There are a lot of people not directly in this hobby who have bought a 1986 Fleer Jordan. Be it a sneakerhead or someone who wants it as a display piece. My friend has the card on display in his law office and he has no other cards. Just wanted it to display with some other memorabilia he has.

If someone comes into the hobby, they will immediately gravitate to the 1986 Fleer Jordan. They don't want a lesson of pop reports, RC/XRC, or Star cards. The 1986 Jordan and 1989 Griffey UD cards are worth way more than they should be. However, constant demand keeps their prices up.

Totally. I'm from the Chicago area and everyone who is a Bulls fan (which is everyone) is crazy about MJ in ways that I don't think happens with other athletes.

Small sample size here. But most of my friends have less than zero interest in cards, but they all have some sort of MJ memorabilia in their house. Poster, jersey, etc.

Back when I owned an '86 Fleer they all thought it was the coolest thing ever and talked about how they'd like to own one someday. I can show them any of my other MJ cards and they're like "neat." Show an '86 Fleer and their jaws hit the ground so hard.

The '86 Fleer is in that small percentage of cards that has normie, non card collector appeal.

I haven't even told my friends that I traded my '86 Fleer away because I know they won't understand and will be mad at me.

[Bcr]

It's incredible how nobody really talked about Star cards and then all of a sudden my social media feed is filled with videos and articles about it. Star holders think it's finally receiving recognition but people that have been in the hobby know the truth.