First Buzz: 2023 Panini Chronicles WWE wrestling cards

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

I took the big plunge and purchased a case. I haven't gotten a case of WWE in a long time but getting 12 boxes of Chronicles for hundreds less than what four boxes of Impeccable costs just feels like as good a "deal" as we will get these days. Not because of the autograph number difference (which isn't huge) but Chronicles has a lot of non-auto sub sets that sell pretty well.

I did the very same thing last night. I assume we are on the same membership tier at a certain Big 3 site that allows access to that pricing. Seemed too good to pass up, although it does have me paranoid a bit that they know something about the set we don't which could cause a decrease in interest after release (overabundance of redemptions, etc.) since this @ $175/hobby versus Elite @ $225/hobby makes no sense at all if this is the same Chronicles we got last year, generally speaking. I'm hoping it's just compensation for retail releasing earlier and the perceived impact that could have on the aftermarket.

I'm kind of viewing this as my last hurrah w/ ripping Panini WWE, since I figure Immaculate will follow suit with Impeccable and be obscenely overpriced with a probable decrease in overall quality.

I think Chronicles is the most fun of all the Panini sets to rip b/c of the variety, and as Joshi indicated above it's one of the rare sets where you can strike out on the autos but still do okay. Having your ceiling be the very high-end of so many desirable sets (Optic, National Treasures, Noir, etc.) is pretty darn sweet. And the average case break seemed pretty strong to me last year, at least based on my memory of those who shared results in the case break threads.

[EAHOOPER]

Originally Posted by LaloSalamanca

Panini posted the checklist on the product page!

Edit: lol just the action packed and certified inserts. Not the complete one, I jumped the gun I guess so I apologize but why even release a partial checklist ��

I would assume the missing cards on this checklist were Brock. Been trying to piece together a checklist for the cards that have surfaced and am missing a handful - two of which were 203-Certified and AP-20.

[ThatGuyPal]

Elite was $225 because the autos were on-card, Panini overvalued that the same way I feel people here overvalue Chronicles. It's fun for sure and on a case basis it's likely to do well but I don't really rate products on if I have to buy a case to feel I did ok. I just haven't seen the desire for the high-end sets because they are in Chronicles (NT, One last year, Spectra, Noir isn't even popular in other sports) compared to the actual stand-alone high end releases, or even comparable low-numbered Prizm, and you have sticker autos. Most HOF Autographs and especially Voices Of The Ring will be useless, I hated they added that to UFC Donruss now it's in WWE, cause we all clamored for Kayla Braxton and Corey Graves autos.

I really feel like it's likeminded people propping this up and not necessarily this diamond in the rough to the average collector. It hasn't dropped like other products but it also hasn't sold out either at current prices as it would if people saw it as a bargain still there. I'm glad we have hopefully two cases posted here to gauge the product as Chronicles does seem like a set where one case can kill and one can kill you lol so it's good especially as it isn't a "case-hit" product so we aren't just judging on what Kaboom/Color Blast/Galactic you got.

EDIT: One thing I did notice is how closely the Panini "Golden Age" cards resemble 2021 Topps Allen and Ginter from Heritage. I actually like the look of the cards and the fact they really did choose older superstars not 1-2-3 Kid and I guess designs across companies are similar but still abit surprising. It wouldn't make sense financially and would require a ton of cuts but I wish there was a standalone set similar to SP Hockey Legends set

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Elite was $225 because the autos were on-card, Panini overvalued that the same way I feel people here overvalue Chronicles.

Are people here overvaluing Chronicles? I'm pretty sure Joshi and I both stated that we pulled the trigger on a case only b/c the price was (relatively speaking) cheap. Not sure that's the definition of overvaluing.

Even at that, I have no pretense that I'll make my money back. I don't think anyone is claiming this to be a Bargain of the Century.

My experience, though, is that the variety of Chronicles gives it a liquidity that you don't find with something like Elite or Prizm which just saturate the market very quickly with bland parallels of the same base card. The higher end of this set is very easy to move; I got really nice prices for some of my bigger pulls last year. (And also added a lot of nice PC cards besides.)

I *am* expecting a weaker auto checklist, but if that is the tradeoff in order to receive no redemptions, I will take it. And maybe we'll get a nice surprise. There was also a rumour that Downtowns would be included possibly in this set, although I haven't heard anything more and am going to assume that was wishful thinking.

This is just a fun product to rip, and that is the spirit I'm approaching it in.

[Joshi City]

My main thing when buying any boxes is I have my own standards and of course financial situation. I enjoy talking about wrestling cards on here but my decision making on what I buy has nothing to do with anyone else. I had a lot of luck with Chronicles last year as even though the autos I grabbed weren't great, I was selling the special inserts/base cards for $20 to $40 a pop if they were rookies, superstars, etc. So to me there is less of a chance of getting "skunked" if the set has value beyond the autographs, which I think Chronicles does.

Immaculate does too but then the price point comes into play. $175 a box fits in my personal budget and variety makes the rips fun. Chronicles was my favorite 2022 set so I'm diving back in for another go I'll definitely post my results, good or bad, if it helps others see a sample of a sealed case.

[Joshi City]

Originally Posted by LaloSalamanca

Panini posted the checklist on the product page!

Edit: lol just the action packed and certified inserts. Not the complete one, I jumped the gun I guess so I apologize but why even release a partial checklist ��

They just added Base Chronicles to the checklist but nothing else, updating the checklist one section at a time is certainly a bizarre way to go about it.

[BlowoutBuzz]

Checklist >> https://www.blowoutcards.com/wp/wp-c...E-standard.pdf

[Joshi City]

That checklist still isn't complete so I have no idea what Panini is doing. Does Panini, I wonder.

[machine74]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

That checklist still isn't complete so I have no idea what Panini is doing. Does Panini, I wonder.

Winner! Why did blasters hit stores so early? Why do they advertise redemptions that will likely never get filled?

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[Joshi City]

Either this is going to be one of those stealth great drops that no one saw coming due to the poor build-up, or its going to be a shady sticker dump that tanks in value due to releasing between Impeccable and Immaculate.

[machine74]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

Either this is going to be one of those stealth great drops that no one saw coming due to the poor build-up, or its going to be a shady sticker dump that tanks in value due to releasing between Impeccable and Immaculate.

Since we're both ripping some hobby boxes, I hope the latter. Can you imagine if Fanatics gets the license and cuts the costs with little redemptions?

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[cardrcomeback]

I'm assuming the 24K Action Packed will be in hobby too?

[Joshi City]

Originally Posted by cardrcomeback

I'm assuming the 24K Action Packed will be in hobby too?

I'm in the "assume nothing" phase of this release but if I was a betting man I'd think it would be as the retail boxes didn't mention an exclusive.

[BlowoutBuzz]

I think the 24K will be in hobby. I don't think what people are paying big for out of blasters are the 24K cards, just a gold parallel. (Gold parallels are all over blasters in a few sets.)

My logic? They don't specifically note the 24K on the card. I think it would be.


Checklist still has more to come ... updated the notation after I dropped it here.

[tomahawk]

It looks like the checklist hosted on Panini's website has been extensively updated and very well may be complete at this point.

Auto checklists seem pretty par for the course as far as 2023 WWE Panini goes, if maybe a bit on the weaker side name-wise. Notably, there is no Roman Reigns auto present (a first in the Panini era?) indicating to me that there are probably few redemptions present, or that it has at least been considered to the point where only active signers are included as redemptions; obviously a step in the right direction, if too little too late.

The Contenders Optic Signatures should be very nice, probably the newest inclusion I am most excited for.

I also completely forgot about the Gala's. Those are fun chases. There are so few of them and they dried up almost instantly after the 2022 product was released as I recall.

[cardrcomeback]

Originally Posted by BlowoutBuzz

I think the 24K will be in hobby. I don't think what people are paying big for out of blasters are the 24K cards, just a gold parallel. (Gold parallels are all over blasters in a few sets.)

My logic? They don't specifically note the 24K on the card. I think it would be.


Checklist still has more to come ... updated the notation after I dropped it here.

Interesting, so you think there's a different 24K parallel possibly coming that different than the "gold parallel" we're seeing now?

[BlowoutBuzz]

Checklist >> https://www.blowoutcards.com/wp/wp-c...nicles-WWE.pdf

By name >> https://www.blowoutcards.com/wp/wp-c...WE-by-name.pdf

[Joshi City]

So it looks like the upper tier of signers are only on a couple of the smaller (and no doubt more rare) autograph sets, including Roman Reigns, Undertaker, Austin, etc. They left Orton and HHH out of the autographs, no doubt to them being slow signers but Charlotte does have autographs (still redemptions I am sure). Raquel Rodriguez is likely a redemption too, curious to see who else is once it releases.

[machine74]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

So it looks like the upper tier of signers are only on a couple of the smaller (and no doubt more rare) autograph sets, including Roman Reigns, Undertaker, Austin, etc. They left Orton and HHH out of the autographs, no doubt to them being slow signers but Charlotte does have autographs (still redemptions I am sure). Raquel Rodriguez is likely a redemption too, curious to see who else is once it releases.

"Slow signers"...that's an understatement

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[cardrcomeback]

We need some wwe nebula 1/1s

[LaloSalamanca]

The action packed parallel has me a little confused. There's only base & 24kt on the checklist, wouldn't it say there's a gold parallel if there's a third variation? (Like for base chronicles, everyone is listed multiple times to account for those parallels)

[cardrcomeback]

Yeah I'm pretty sure the gold we're seeing listed now are the 24K

[Joshi City]

Originally Posted by LaloSalamanca

The action packed parallel has me a little confused. There's only base & 24kt on the checklist, wouldn't it say there's a gold parallel if there's a third variation? (Like for base chronicles, everyone is listed multiple times to account for those parallels)

Unless someone has better intel than I do, I assume that 24KT is the Gold parallel and there is only one additional variation total. The common phase is "24KT Gold" so it may just be people abbreviating it one way or the other way but it being the same variant.

[ThatGuyPal]

It sucks Punk is only in base Chronicles design, that's the worst design in the product to me next to Contender's, not just because it's the "base version" of the set. If base Chronicles looked like Spectra I'd love it lol

I'll give kudos to the *seemingly* specific sets they threw in here for WWE, already mentioned Panini Golden Age and it's probably polarizing but I like the Ring Royalty, it's grown on me reminds me of what could of been a late 90's/early 2000's design. I don't know if Action Packed is WWE specific although I haven't seen it in other Chronicles but that's also a great looking set.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by cardrcomeback

We need some wwe nebula 1/1s

They definitely had these in the 2022 set, but you'd be excused for not knowing unless you referenced the checklist as there are so very few out there, they rarely see the light of day. (And more than likely, many have still not been pulled.) I definitely remember the Billy Gunn hitting eBay shortly after release, but that might be the only one I've ever seen.

Being able to hit Nebula 1/1s, Optic gold vinyls, National Treasure plats, etc. all from one product is definitely very cool, this along with Select is the definition of a "collector's product" imo.