First Buzz: 2024 Bowman baseball cards

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I said message board. Not forum. If you're going to troll, at least get it right.

According to Techopedia:

A message board is also known as a forum, an online forum, and Internet forum or a discussion board.

A message board comprises a hierarchical (tree-like) structure. It may include one or more sub forums, each of which can include numerous topics.

Inside a forum, every new discussion started is known as a thread. There is no restriction on how many messages can be posted under each thread.

https://www.techopedia.com/definitio.../message-board

[DaryanLenz]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I'm right there with you. I was only partly joking about the death of the message board. I'm here because this is the type of message board I was used to for decades and I never really took to other types of social media. But we are definitely in the minority these days.

The layout and feel is reminiscent of the boards from the late 90’s which also were difficult to post media (pics, gifs etc.) to. I’m likely somewhat “older” here at 45, but the board feels old with many opinions and such failing to embrace the reality of modern collecting and instead, capturing the essence of years past especially prior to the embracing of prospecting and the values contained therein. It’s sad really, as there is room for anyone on any budget making any salary but the biggest turnoff for younger folks, and I include myself in this group, is the amount of complaining and negativity in each and every release without fail. Positivity is hard to come by these days, and while I would love to talk cards, investing, collecting, PCs etc., it is exceedingly difficult here as many are either jealous of others who are blessed to be able to afford to rip at current prices or just angry about life and general and cast aspersions on others for even having an opinion that doesn’t align with their own. I had two HTA Choice boxes ripped for me today at CardsInfinity but why would I post the results, regardless of what they were, only to be called stupid, gullible, or some other negatively-connotated adjective. I am beyond blessed to have enough disposable income to rip as much as I want but again, why get torn down in the process?

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

The layout and feel is reminiscent of the boards from the late 90’s which also were difficult to post media (pics, gifs etc.) to. I’m likely somewhat “older” here at 45, but the board feels old with many opinions and such failing to embrace the reality of modern collecting and instead, capturing the essence of years past especially prior to the embracing of prospecting and the values contained therein. It’s sad really, as there is room for anyone on any budget making any salary but the biggest turnoff for younger folks, and I include myself in this group, is the amount of complaining and negativity in each and every release without fail. Positivity is hard to come by these days, and while I would love to talk cards, investing, collecting, PCs etc., it is exceedingly difficult here as many are either jealous of others who are blessed to be able to afford to rip at current prices or just angry about life and general and cast aspersions on others for even having an opinion that doesn’t align with their own. I had two HTA Choice boxes ripped for me today at CardsInfinity but why would I post the results, regardless of what they were, only to be called stupid, gullible, or some other negatively-connotated adjective. I am beyond blessed to have enough disposable income to rip as much as I want but again, why get torn down in the process?

You just have to ignore all that noise, that’s all it is.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

I think it's going to take a solid recession to readjust box prices. That's what I thought heading into 2020. It didn't quite work out like I thought it would. The opposite, in fact. The next one won't have as much stimmies, so should correct prices. Hopefully anyways.

At this point it feels like Fanatics knows they are towards the end of the cycle and are just gouging the remaining customers. It's kind of like when the MLB team loses 110 games they jack up the price of tickets. They know the marginal fan isn't going to show no matter the price, so get as much from the die-hards as possible.

They jack up the price at release to take full advantage of the FOMO buyers and group break participants. The high initial prices are a way to support group breaking and to compel people to join breaks. They don't want consumers thinking they can get a bargain.

They don't have to lower prices to boost demand -- they can just reduce print runs to shore up values.

[LVDan]

Who cares what others think. Participate how you desire and enjoy. I personally think Bowman is a brand to enjoy at quick shipping release with the inflated resale values and dreams of the future and not much beyond that but who gives an F??
It is what it is. Bust quick, sell everything early then catch the falling prices when it makes sense for the medium term, sell on callup and get excited for the next crop, rinse and repeat.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Khal, you were successfully baited into an argument by trolls claiming rampant negative commenting in this thread. Why this was done, I have no idea -- on the release date of this product, of all days. Only a small percentage of comments in this thread would be characterized as negative.

No one is baiting Khal into anything. The overall frustration from some (which I share) is with this forum in general - not only this thread.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Who cares what others think. Participate how you desire and enjoy. I personally think Bowman is a brand to enjoy at quick shipping release with the inflated resale values and dreams of the future and not much beyond that but who gives an F??
It is what it is. Bust quick, sell everything early then catch the falling prices when it makes sense for the medium term, sell on callup and get excited for the next crop, rinse and repeat.

Good points!

[Braves420]

Well this release will forever go down as horrible quality control in my eyes. 3 Jumbo boxes produced 4 measly autographs. Last year shipped from Ohio, this year from Mesquite, TX. Small sample size, but watch yourself if your stuff ships from there.

Missing hits forms coming, but that just ensures bottom of the barrel signatures.

[Giancarlo27]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

You just have to ignore all that noise, that’s all it is.

This forum is sadly a shell of what it was 5-7 years ago. There are maybe 30-40 people that actually still post consistently on the baseball boards, and most have been on the board for a decade. Those left are the most resistant to change and with that comes the constant negativity to everything. Hell, with instagram, Twitter, whatnot, fanaticslive, and Facebook, there is basically no reason to go on an antiquated forum like this to get your hobby engagement outside of nostalgia, inertia, or to seek confirmation bias

[Braves420]

Also, is it just me, or are the images on the paper cards so much more sharp than the pictures on the chrome cards? Chrome cards have such a grainy look to them

[ThoseBackPages]

the images they chose for a lot of the veterans are ..... bad.


oooofh

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

This forum is sadly a shell of what it was 5-7 years ago. There are maybe 30-40 people that actually still post consistently on the baseball boards, and most have been on the board for a decade. Those left are the most resistant to change and with that comes the constant negativity to everything. Hell, with instagram, Twitter, whatnot, fanaticslive, and Facebook, there is basically no reason to go on an antiquated forum like this to get your hobby engagement outside of nostalgia, inertia, or to seek confirmation bias

Antiquated? I got news for yah -- trading cards are antiquated. Yet, they persevere.

How exactly is Fanatics Live or Whatnot supposed to replace forums? They are live shopping platforms.

Facebook is pretty outdated. Fewer and fewer young people are using it.

Instagram? A great place for influencers and grifters, I guess.

Twitter? You mean X? It used to be ground zero for cancel culture until Elon Musk bought it. Then he discovered a very high percentage of its accounts were bots. Now he's trying to find new and creative ways to monetize it.

One platform you failed to mention is the most relevant -- YouTube. It's the go-to site for video content and it allows people to discuss topics in the comment section similarly to forums.

You also didn't mention TikTok or Reddit -- one is possibly going to shut down soon for brainwashing young Americans, and the other is in fact a forum!

[prospectorgems]

I am a bit confused on the RC Auto Odds and was wondering if someone can chime in as I only bust a box or two a year on the new product and have never pulled a RC Auto before.

I busted two jumbo boxes this year and pulled 3 RC Autos, 2 base and 1 Refractor. According to the odds on the PDF doc that Topps released it is saying the following:

Chrome Rookie Autographs 1:723 Jumbo Packs
Chrome Rookie Autographs Refractor 1:215 Jumbo Packs

Is this a misprint or are base chrome rookie autos really harder to pull over parallels?

Or are these odds mostly because of the overprinting this year and this is a way to space out the ratios?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by prospectorgems

I am a bit confused on the RC Auto Odds and was wondering if someone can chime in as I only bust a box or two a year on the new product and have never pulled a RC Auto before.

I busted two jumbo boxes this year and pulled 3 RC Autos, 2 base and 1 Refractor. According to the odds on the PDF doc that Topps released it is saying the following:

Chrome Rookie Autographs 1:723 Jumbo Packs
Chrome Rookie Autographs Refractor 1:215 Jumbo Packs

Is this a misprint or are base chrome rookie autos really harder to pull over parallels?

Or are these odds mostly because of the overprinting this year and this is a way to space out the ratios?

Are you sure you’re looking at the right document? Fanatics bundled the odds together for the RC and prospect autos. Unless I’m overlooking it.

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/odds...ddsUpdated.pdf

[prospectorgems]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Are you sure you’re looking at the right document? Fanatics bundled the odds together for the RC and prospect autos. Unless I’m overlooking it.

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/odds...ddsUpdated.pdf

Thank you. I must have been looking at the original document published and this is the updated version which makes more sense now. Appreciate that!

[DarcyWinston]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Antiquated? I got news for yah -- trading cards are antiquated. Yet, they persevere.

How exactly is Fanatics Live or Whatnot supposed to replace forums? They are live shopping platforms.

Facebook is pretty outdated. Fewer and fewer young people are using it.

Instagram? A great place for influencers and grifters, I guess.

Twitter? You mean X? It used to be ground zero for cancel culture until Elon Musk bought it. Then he discovered a very high percentage of its accounts were bots. Now he's trying to find new and creative ways to monetize it.

One platform you failed to mention is the most relevant -- YouTube. It's the go-to site for video content and it allows people to discuss topics in the comment section similarly to forums.

You also didn't mention TikTok or Reddit -- one is possibly going to shut down soon for brainwashing young Americans, and the other is in fact a forum!

No according to him you’re a nottering nabob of negativity if you aren’t constantly praising gambling and a trading card monopoly. Otherwise the blowout forum will turn into myspace 2.0 where it’s a wasteland of misery.

[rentz]

Noticed a full case of blasters at Walmart picked up 5, nothing major other than what I guess is yellow or gold chrome auto of Bryan woo

Hoping I have the same luck I had last year

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by prospectorgems

I am a bit confused on the RC Auto Odds and was wondering if someone can chime in as I only bust a box or two a year on the new product and have never pulled a RC Auto before.

I busted two jumbo boxes this year and pulled 3 RC Autos, 2 base and 1 Refractor. According to the odds on the PDF doc that Topps released it is saying the following:

Chrome Rookie Autographs 1:723 Jumbo Packs
Chrome Rookie Autographs Refractor 1:215 Jumbo Packs

Is this a misprint or are base chrome rookie autos really harder to pull over parallels?

Or are these odds mostly because of the overprinting this year and this is a way to space out the ratios?

They've always SSP'ed the rookie base autos, even for the junkier names in the checklist. They usually don't have the /499 refractors for the good names in the checklist, either, which looks to be true this year for Yamamoto, Elly, Lawlar, Caminero, and probably a few others. But even a weak name like Grae Kessinger has a lot more /499 refractors out there than base autos based on the early on eBay listings.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

I think it's going to take a solid recession to readjust box prices. That's what I thought heading into 2020. It didn't quite work out like I thought it would. The opposite, in fact. The next one won't have as much stimmies, so should correct prices. Hopefully anyways.

At this point it feels like Fanatics knows they are towards the end of the cycle and are just gouging the remaining customers. It's kind of like when the MLB team loses 110 games they jack up the price of tickets. They know the marginal fan isn't going to show no matter the price, so get as much from the die-hards as possible.

Does this really happen and does do teams actually sell a lot of tickets this way, especially with secondary market places readily available?

I've gotten into Wrigley numerous times over the years for $10 or less when the Cubbies have been out of it.

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

This forum is sadly a shell of what it was 5-7 years ago. There are maybe 30-40 people that actually still post consistently on the baseball boards, and most have been on the board for a decade. Those left are the most resistant to change and with that comes the constant negativity to everything. Hell, with instagram, Twitter, whatnot, fanaticslive, and Facebook, there is basically no reason to go on an antiquated forum like this to get your hobby engagement outside of nostalgia, inertia, or to seek confirmation bias

I disagree that there is no reason to visit a forum like this. None of those media you mentioned, or YouTube that was mentioned as well, are nearly as conducive to conversation as a message board like this. So if you want to actually talk about cards with people, nothing beats a message board.


Side note: Reddit may technically be a forum, but it would be pedantic to argue that Reddit and Blowout are the same type social media platform. They are almost nothing alike, especially in their practical use.

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[txrngr34]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Does this really happen and does do teams actually sell a lot of tickets this way, especially with secondary market places readily available?



I've gotten into Wrigley numerous times over the years for $10 or less when the Cubbies have been out of it.

The 2013 Astros, under then-new owner Jim Crane, increased ticket prices even though they were already marred in a string of 100-loss seasons. They finished with the most losses in their history that year.

That said, secondary market prices tanked, so the real value of tickets was far below the face value.

[eldustino]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the images they chose for a lot of the veterans are ..... bad.


oooofh

I nominate Ronnie's as the worst thing I've ever seen. How did that get approved?

[BirdsFan55]

Better hurry up and get your boxes guys! Jumbos up $25 to $625 on Blowout, product is HOT. Meanwhile jumbos are still sitting on Topps for $100 less lmao, what a joke

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Antiquated? I got news for yah -- trading cards are antiquated. Yet, they persevere.

How exactly is Fanatics Live or Whatnot supposed to replace forums? They are live shopping platforms.

Facebook is pretty outdated. Fewer and fewer young people are using it.

Instagram? A great place for influencers and grifters, I guess.

Twitter? You mean X? It used to be ground zero for cancel culture until Elon Musk bought it. Then he discovered a very high percentage of its accounts were bots. Now he's trying to find new and creative ways to monetize it.

One platform you failed to mention is the most relevant -- YouTube. It's the go-to site for video content and it allows people to discuss topics in the comment section similarly to forums.

You also didn't mention TikTok or Reddit -- one is possibly going to shut down soon for brainwashing young Americans, and the other is in fact a forum!

I pretty much stopped going to FB about 10 years ago. I've perused a few of the card collecting groups and it just feels trashy and grifty. The same can be said with vinyl (record) groups on FB. The grift economy obviously thrives on social media.

[crownand]

Originally Posted by TFP

Pulled this out of a blaster...


Yoshinobu Yamamoto Bowman Chrome Rookie Autograph Green Refractor /99
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6swad_uBvB/

Where did you buy the blaster from?