First Buzz: 2024 Bowman baseball cards

[Funkster]

Interesting they put out that image of Zyhir Hope, I havent seen him on any of the checklists.

[DarcyWinston]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

It's not some Bowman issue. It's an overall issue with these forums. So much negativity, so much whining, so much complaining, so much entitlement.

And regarding Bowman - if the case/box prices are too high, why on earth can't people wait for prices to drop? Because the box prices isn't the issue. People need something to b*tch about - it's like a drug for some here.

I could say the same thing about foolish shills who will pay any price for any product. So much delusion, so much cheerleading, so much ignorance of price vs value. You could you know explain how paying $300 for a box is awesome when you will likely get a 4th or 5th rounder. Only the bangers get posted on forums, like lottery winners with those huge checks.

This product is popular because the rare autos/parallels of the 4-5 guys each year that are in high demand sell for crazy amounts. That’s it. If that’s being “entitled” than so be it.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by DarcyWinston

I could say the same thing about foolish shills who will pay any price for any product. So much delusion, so much cheerleading, so much ignorance of price vs value. You could you know explain how paying $300 for a box is awesome when you will likely get a 4th or 5th rounder. Only the bangers get posted on forums, like lottery winners with those huge checks.

This product is popular because the rare autos/parallels of the 4-5 guys each year that are in high demand sell for crazy amounts. That’s it. If that’s being “entitled” than so be it.

Or maybe, just let people spend their money however they choose? Its fine if you or anyone else thinks its a bad value. I actually do too at the current price point. But why does it bother you so much that you have to call people fools or shills? That is what I don't understand. I don't know what kind of car you drive, but maybe there are some people who think you are a fool for spending your money on it? Maybe its a crappy car that you shouldn't have wasted your money on. Or maybe its a nice car that you overspent on. Bottom line is stop acting like others are beneath you because they choose to spend their money on something they enjoy. Regardless to what the outcome is. You aren't better than anyone else here, stop acting like it.

[timber63401]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Or maybe, just let people spend their money however they choose? Its fine if you or anyone else thinks its a bad value. I actually do too at the current price point. But why does it bother you so much that you have to call people fools or shills? That is what I don't understand. I don't know what kind of car you drive, but maybe there are some people who think you are a fool for spending your money on it? Maybe its a crappy car that you shouldn't have wasted your money on. Or maybe its a nice car that you overspent on. Bottom line is stop acting like others are beneath you because they choose to spend their money on something they enjoy. Regardless to what the outcome is. You aren't better than anyone else here, stop acting like it.

Part of it is just aggravation. Seeing people buy all this over priced product knowing it will never get better as long as it keeps getting bought. People are allowed to be dumb with there money but people are also allowed to call people out for it.

[DarcyWinston]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Or maybe, just let people spend their money however they choose? Its fine if you or anyone else thinks its a bad value. I actually do too at the current price point. But why does it bother you so much that you have to call people fools or shills? That is what I don't understand. I don't know what kind of car you drive, but maybe there are some people who think you are a fool for spending your money on it? Maybe its a crappy car that you shouldn't have wasted your money on. Or maybe its a nice car that you overspent on. Bottom line is stop acting like others are beneath you because they choose to spend their money on something they enjoy. Regardless to what the outcome is. You aren't better than anyone else here, stop acting like it.

I used the word shill since he decided to call anyone not posting positivity as “entitled complainers”. I see you agree with his sentiments. It’s OK to call out those who don’t think this is a smart product to buy in your view. I don’t care and neither does anyone else here as to how people spend their money. Buy a case. Buy 10 cases. Knock yourself out. I don’t see people who do so as beneath me. But don’t call people who don’t cheerlead for this bad people.

[JRX]

I don't know why anyone likes this product outside of gambling purposes. If you're a moderate spender you're unlikely to get anything you want out of wax given there's 87 chrome prospects in the checklist. So you have to buy singles and they've massively watered down the value of the product with the higher print runs. That should in theory be better for set builders but then you get back to the wax is unaffordable because of the gamblers.

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

He’s pearl clutching as usual.

No, its not pearl clutching, its calling a spade a spade.

I know you get yourself all worked up and have to take every chance you get to try to throw shade, its your MO here and that comment continues to show it.

I wasn't even the first person to call out the negativity, but again you show you cant help yourself and have to point to my post. Very predictable.

But since you can't help yourself, please show me which of these comments is NOT complaining about the product?

Originally Posted by pac213up

Cannot really blame them. Plenty of people seem to be happy throwing money away.

Originally Posted by theplasticman

Geez. This pricing is nuts. Not for me. I'll stick to singles.

Originally Posted by canddcards

Time to switch from the over produced and over priced new stuff to some vintage stuff. No more dollars for Topps or their dealers.

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

$260 only to pull one scrub who's gonna be flipping burgers at McDs in 5 years whose on a $5/card auto deal with FanTopps.

Incredible business model. Basically printing money

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Better hope Crews starts hitting and Jenkins isn’t David Dahl 2.0 who tore his hamstring opening night and missed a whole season in his 2nd year in the minors or this stuff is going to take a dive.

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Been saying it for years. Bowman needs two releases a year, not three...or 8-10, with all the dumb variations.

Originally Posted by vwnut13

You don't love 7th year prospect cards?

Originally Posted by theshowandme

1955 Bowman is terrible looking

Originally Posted by wilsonsingles

to be honest the base Autos are very bland and boring.

way to much blank space.

Originally Posted by JRX

The grail is a card of guy who is over 22 in AA hitting .230 with a k rate over 34%? Obviously he can adjust, but there's no real reason to go crazy over a guy like that at this point.

Originally Posted by netmasters

Let the madness begin. Dylan Crews paper /399 ending in auction tonight already way too high. Will people ever learn?

2024 Bowman 1st DYLAN CREWS Lime GREEN /399 Paper BP-23 rookie 1st HOT !!!

Originally Posted by theredmenace

Disappointing but expected, Atomic refractors have been replaced by Mini Diamond refractors according to the Beckett product page. I'm sure they'll look fine but the Atomic parallel of the 2023 Bowman Spotlights was one of my favorite inserts from 2023.

Good lord oldgoldy...are you really that dense?

[KhalDrogo]

People are entitled to spend their money how they choose. But how many people buy into Bowman to collect the cards versus gamble? Perspective matters. Bowman is a glorified scratch off ticket now. $200k bounty for a 22 year old with a sub .800 OPS in AA? Come on.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by timber63401

Part of it is just aggravation. Seeing people buy all this over priced product knowing it will never get better as long as it keeps getting bought. People are allowed to be dumb with there money but people are also allowed to call people out for it.

I understand the aggravation part. I would love an endless supply of Bowman cases at $1,200. Doesn't matter though, it isn't happening. I am looking for investment real estate right now. I wish it was cheaper too. It doesn't matter what I wish. The market is what it is.

But why do you feel the need to "call people out for it"? Why do you feel like you deserve that? Yea, as I already stated, I think the prices right now are crazy and I am not touching it. But not once have I felt the need to point my finger at someone and call them a fool or a shill. I don't understand that mentality. Yes, we live in a land with (mostly) free speech. But that doesn't mean you should utilize that just to call out people who want to buy baseball cards. You may see it as being dumb with money. But they obviously do not. Once more, all that does is give off the vibes of one being better than someone else. You are saying you know how to spend their money better than they do. I personally do not care if someone spends $10,000 on single box of Bowman. To each their own.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by DarcyWinston

I could say the same thing about foolish shills who will pay any price for any product. So much delusion, so much cheerleading, so much ignorance of price vs value. You could you know explain how paying $300 for a box is awesome when you will likely get a 4th or 5th rounder. Only the bangers get posted on forums, like lottery winners with those huge checks.

This product is popular because the rare autos/parallels of the 4-5 guys each year that are in high demand sell for crazy amounts. That’s it. If that’s being “entitled” than so be it.

Originally Posted by DarcyWinston

I used the word shill since he decided to call anyone not posting positivity as “entitled complainers”. I see you agree with his sentiments. It’s OK to call out those who don’t think this is a smart product to buy in your view. I don’t care and neither does anyone else here as to how people spend their money. Buy a case. Buy 10 cases. Knock yourself out. I don’t see people who do so as beneath me. But don’t call people who don’t cheerlead for this bad people.

But you do care. That was the whole point of your post. You literally typed saying they can explain why they think its a good idea. They don't have to explain anything. And it doesn't matter if its a good idea or a bad idea. Its their money.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by premium1981

I understand the aggravation part. I would love an endless supply of Bowman cases at $1,200. Doesn't matter though, it isn't happening. I am looking for investment real estate right now. I wish it was cheaper too. It doesn't matter what I wish. The market is what it is.

But why do you feel the need to "call people out for it"? Why do you feel like you deserve that? Yea, as I already stated, I think the prices right now are crazy and I am not touching it. But not once have I felt the need to point my finger at someone and call them a fool or a shill. I don't understand that mentality. Yes, we live in a land with (mostly) free speech. But that doesn't mean you should utilize that just to call out people who want to buy baseball cards. You may see it as being dumb with money. But they obviously do not. Once more, all that does is give off the vibes of one being better than someone else. You are saying you know how to spend their money better than they do. I personally do not care if someone spends $10,000 on single box of Bowman. To each their own.

I'm with you on alot of this. I post far less and simply read threads. I at first thought things weren't sustainable but I can admit I was wrong. No point in criticizing and instead of complaining I simply buy what I want/like.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

I'm with you on alot of this. I post far less and simply read threads. I at first thought things weren't sustainable but I can admit I was wrong. No point in criticizing and instead of complaining I simply buy what I want/like.

But imagine if people weren’t critical of Mega Mix.

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by premium1981

I understand the aggravation part. I would love an endless supply of Bowman cases at $1,200. Doesn't matter though, it isn't happening. I am looking for investment real estate right now. I wish it was cheaper too. It doesn't matter what I wish. The market is what it is.

But why do you feel the need to "call people out for it"? Why do you feel like you deserve that? Yea, as I already stated, I think the prices right now are crazy and I am not touching it. But not once have I felt the need to point my finger at someone and call them a fool or a shill. I don't understand that mentality. Yes, we live in a land with (mostly) free speech. But that doesn't mean you should utilize that just to call out people who want to buy baseball cards. You may see it as being dumb with money. But they obviously do not. Once more, all that does is give off the vibes of one being better than someone else. You are saying you know how to spend their money better than they do. I personally do not care if someone spends $10,000 on single box of Bowman. To each their own.

This is well said - too many just feel the need to call out others on their decisions.

We all know the landscape has changed in this hobby, its not as consumer friendly as it was before. Not all products have the same value.

But geez, the people who just wake up angry every day and need to rant about how others live their life really kills the discussion here.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

I'm with you on alot of this. I post far less and simply read threads. I at first thought things weren't sustainable but I can admit I was wrong. No point in criticizing and instead of complaining I simply buy what I want/like.

Its so much more enjoyable when you do it that way. Just enjoy the parts you enjoy and leave the rest alone. There are several threads that I would participate in daily if the board hadn't gotten so bad. Heck, I left my own team thread due to the "fanbase" that was posting in there. During the Braves championship season you would think the team finished in last place. It was unbearable so I just left. It takes the fun out of it.

[Bosoxfan5990]

I think it's less about calling out a group of people on what they spend money on and more about expressing frustration at that group of people for continuing to allow Fanatics/Topps to charge the currently inflated prices as they continue to buy sealed wax at these prices.

If people didn't buy at these prices (or buy into innumerate group breaks), Fanatics/Topps would be forced to lower the price of these products to something more in-line with reality.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by notoriousrmb

This is well said - too many just feel the need to call out others on their decisions.

We all know the landscape has changed in this hobby, its not as consumer friendly as it was before. Not all products have the same value.

But geez, the people who just wake up angry every day and need to rant about how others live their life really kills the discussion here.

Complaining about the lack of discussion of the actual product while you yourself have four posts in the thread, none of which are actually about the product.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The irony here.

Oh please, do share.

[cg5]

Anyone seen any of the Origins /10 inserts pulled yet?

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

People are entitled to spend their money how they choose. But how many people buy into Bowman to collect the cards versus gamble? Perspective matters. Bowman is a glorified scratch off ticket now. $200k bounty for a 22 year old with a sub .800 OPS in AA? Come on.

Buying wax has always been a gamble when looking at EV. Just because the odds are worse now doesn’t make it gambling.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

But imagine if people weren’t critical of Mega Mix.

Comparing a repack product made by Blowout to the entire baseball market is a bit different. Very different really. The current market for Fanatics products is incredibly strong. Blowout putting out a crap repack product and potentially eroding their customer base is on a different level. In the end Mega Mix was fantastic lol, I loved it.

My take on things currently is: love it or leave it. I don't love it but don't want to leave it. I also don't want to always complain and crap on others parade. I agree that everything is far higher than it used to be and/or should be. My opinion ultimately doesn't matter. Demand through breakers is insanely strong and things won't change anytime soon.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

My take is there are a fair amount of older folks here who can’t handle the new reality of card collecting and bitch and moan almost constantly, at literally every new product announcement, while reminiscing about the 80’s. You pay to play or you don’t, it’s an individual choice and while ROI and estimated returns/value are certainly lower, most fail to account for much higher quality products, bounties, etc. etc. This kind of nonsense doesn’t happen over on the Reddit boards or FB groups etc. where the vibe is currently far more positive.

Apparently you didn’t want to play.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Oh please, do share.

[DarcyWinston]

Originally Posted by premium1981

But you do care. That was the whole point of your post. You literally typed saying they can explain why they think its a good idea. They don't have to explain anything. And it doesn't matter if its a good idea or a bad idea. It’s their money.

Do they need to explain why? Nope but people who choose not to are not angry bitter and living in the past if they choose to criticize said product. And the fact that you choose to buy said product doesn’t make your opinion above those who do not.
We all know this will sell well as this is a breaker product. I want to warn others to avoid buying boxes for themselves as they rarely turn out well.

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Complaining about the lack of discussion of the actual product while you yourself have four posts in the thread, none of which are actually about the product.

Complaining about complaining.

Pot, kettle.

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Comparing a repack product made by Blowout to the entire baseball market is a bit different. Very different really. The current market for Fanatics products is incredibly strong. Blowout putting out a crap repack product and potentially eroding their customer base is on a different level. In the end Mega Mix was fantastic lol, I loved it.

My take on things currently is: love it or leave it. I don't love it but don't want to leave it. I also don't want to always complain and crap on others parade. I agree that everything is far higher than it used to be and/or should be. My opinion ultimately doesn't matter. Demand through breakers is insanely strong and things won't change anytime soon.

Exactly. This is the way the hobby is today, its not for everyone. Its very different.

5 guys posting 20k times on a message board isn't going to change the way these companies are going to do business - this is the future for now. Either embrace it or find a new hobby.