Kurt's Card Care F'ed around and found out

[JWBlue]

Ethical or not...I can't imagine someone rubbing a foreign substance on my card.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Ethical or not...I can't imagine someone rubbing a foreign substance on my card.

Even if you are eventually going to flip/sell the card to someone who will never physically touch it?

[Eric1285]

Eventually PSA will step up and start doing a better job flagging "altered" cards. They will also start to offer their own "conservation" or "restoration" services that will help you turn that PSA 9 into a PSA 10, for a fee.

I am admittedly a noob who has never sent a card in for grading, but it's become pretty apparent to me that the card collecting industry just replicates what goes on in the coin collecting industry. It won't be long until TPGs offer their own "approved" alterations. Bet we'll also see some company grading slabs and stickering them as "prime" examples or something like that.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Eric1285

Eventually PSA will step up and start doing a better job flagging "altered" cards. They will also start to offer their own "conservation" or "restoration" services that will help you turn that PSA 9 into a PSA 10, for a fee.

I am admittedly a noob who has never sent a card in for grading, but it's become pretty apparent to me that the card collecting industry just replicates what goes on in the coin collecting industry. It won't be long until TPGs offer their own "approved" alterations. Bet we'll also see some company grading slabs and stickering them as "prime" examples or something like that.

The latter has already happened and yes, I agree that eventually the TPG will offer their own alteration services.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The guys who submitted the Wemby 1/1 Prizm black rookie card to PSA thanked Kurt's Card Care in a recorded video inside of PSA HQ: https://youtu.be/_D__5rhT-eg?si=oCJ6FaKYgZync_Ro

Can't cure stupid

[Eric1285]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

The latter has already happened and yes, I agree that eventually the TPG will offer their own alteration services.

Shows how much attention I pay to third party grading, lol. Guess they're not as prevalent as CSC stickers (yet) since I haven't noticed them.

I collected cards as a kid in the 90's and later started collecting coins as an adult. Like everyone else, I got back into cards in 2020. I approach both with the same mindset - if it looks good to me, then I'm happy. I don't require third party validation for my hobby. I understand why other people like grading services though - to each their own. As this thread (and many others show) it can be a pretty deep rabbit hole with lots of unscrupulous actors.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The guys who submitted the Wemby 1/1 Prizm black rookie card to PSA thanked Kurt's Card Care in a recorded video inside of PSA HQ: https://youtu.be/_D__5rhT-eg?si=oCJ6FaKYgZync_Ro

"PSA could care less if the card was cleaned up. They want their name on the slab."

Very True.

[Allen Ginter 99]

Wonder if the two local card shops in my state will still offer the Kurt’s cleaning service prior to sending in cards to PSA via bulk submission….


I don’t grade personally so I could care less


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[glassofwater]

I don’t care either way. But why can cgc do pressing on comics and it’s okay.

If psa offers its own cleaning service before grading would that be okay?

[Rooftop]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

The only people to blame are the dingalings dumb enough to buy this guys product - if he didn't have an audience he wouldn't be around

Just discovered kurts last name is colone - maybe he should start an anti odor business for people that guy to card shows.

Or the dinalings that continue to pay a premium for graded cards.

[towerymt]

What color should the PSA 'CLEANED' label be?

New Poll?!?!?!?!?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by towerymt

What color should the PSA 'CLEANED' label be?

New Poll?!?!?!?!?

Black Label.

Works perfect and is a kick in the nuts to the BGS Black Label.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by towerymt

What color should the PSA 'CLEANED' label be?

New Poll?!?!?!?!?

Purple. Keep consistency with CGC.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

I don’t care either way. But why can cgc do pressing on comics and it’s okay.

If psa offers its own cleaning service before grading would that be okay?

This would just makes grades meaningless. That’s OK with me because I don’t pay extra for slabs.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by towerymt

What color should the PSA 'CLEANED' label be?

New Poll?!?!?!?!?

Technically these labels should be clear see-through, nothing to see.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Because grading 1/1s is ignorant to begin with.

Kurt is the same as anyone else taking advantage of the cesspool hobby marketplace to make money. In his case, he’s taking advantage of those attempting to take advantage of the cesspool hobby marketplace.

Good thing the hobby marketplace is not the hobby.

Ignorant!? Oh, brother.

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Why didn’t they deactivate the wemby 1/1 as well

PSA never in a million years will admit they mistakenly passed the Wemby off as unaltered if it was cleaned with Kurts.

And no one in their right mind will ever crack it and find out the truth.

[williemayshayes]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

PSA never in a million years will admit they mistakenly passed the Wemby off as unaltered if it was cleaned with Kurts.

And no one in their right mind will ever crack it and find out the truth.

Someone claiming to be the owner on twitter said PSA asked him to bring the card back to be re-examined. I assume nothing changed.

[Grave252]

I think the scale at which cleaning products are used before grading is beyond anything people would want to admit. I rarely grade, but the 3 times I have, I have sent out for review/prep to different individuals. When they sent photos of the cards back before sending in, they look 5x better. I don't know if they are applying wax, buffing, etc, but whatever they are doing is so widespread and must be nearly non-detectable on modern cards, otherwise PSA would have 50% less gems and 50% more altered slabs.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Grave252

I think the scale at which cleaning products are used before grading is beyond anything people would want to admit. I rarely grade, but the 3 times I have, I have sent out for review/prep to different individuals. When they sent photos of the cards back before sending in, they look 5x better. I don't know if they are applying wax, buffing, etc, but whatever they are doing is so widespread and must be nearly non-detectable on modern cards, otherwise PSA would have 50% less gems and 50% more altered slabs.

You are probably correct, this is more widespread than most of us think. In the past, card doctors focused on big returns with mainly high end cards. Now, Kurt is training his followers for low end vintage to make a 2 a 4. I think the safest cards right now are off centered vintage in the 5 to 6 range. Can't make them better with centering limiting the technical grade.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Grave252

I think the scale at which cleaning products are used before grading is beyond anything people would want to admit. I rarely grade, but the 3 times I have, I have sent out for review/prep to different individuals. When they sent photos of the cards back before sending in, they look 5x better. I don't know if they are applying wax, buffing, etc, but whatever they are doing is so widespread and must be nearly non-detectable on modern cards, otherwise PSA would have 50% less gems and 50% more altered slabs.

Did you know that 87.8% of all randomly thrown out percentages with no evidence or documentation to support them are completely made up and have no basis in reality?

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by williemayshayes

Someone claiming to be the owner on twitter said PSA asked him to bring the card back to be re-examined. I assume nothing changed.

reexamined in the case lol. Gunna go ahead and politely decline your request.

Why reexamine the card if PSA already said they stood by the Wemby grade?

[rynobot]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Did you know that 87.8% of all randomly thrown out percentages with no evidence or documentation to support them are completely made up and have no basis in reality?

3/3 confirmed

[williemayshayes]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

reexamined in the case lol. Gunna go ahead and politely decline your request.

Why reexamine the card if PSA already said they stood by the Wemby grade?

His handle below and his quote.

"PrezVxk

"Hi. Hello. I'm the man with the Wemby 1/1.

PSA addressed it immediately. We took the card to PSA and it got a 10. We had to take it back for a second grading.....it was still a 10.

No residue, no substance, no foreign product on the card. Can we put this to rest? Tell me."

Interesting to note, he didn't deny anything was used just that PSA found nothing on the card.

[williemayshayes]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

You are probably correct, this is more widespread than most of us think. In the past, card doctors focused on big returns with mainly high end cards. Now, Kurt is training his followers for low end vintage to make a 2 a 4. I think the safest cards right now are off centered vintage in the 5 to 6 range. Can't make them better with centering limiting the technical grade.

Off centered 5's are what trimmers buy to turn into 6's and 7's.