Kurt's Card Care F'ed around and found out

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I would seriously respect TPG more if they encouraged people to submit altered cards to them.

They need to celebrate guys like Kurt, not ban him.

I disagree with your take - I think what this is showing is grading is a complete scam and psa 10s shouldn't be worth any more than a raw card in good condition.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I disagree with your take - I think what this is showing is grading is a complete scam and psa 10s shouldn't be worth any more than a raw card in good condition.

In my opinion, Psa 10’s shouldn’t be worth significantly more than raw cards in good condition because there is a good chance it has been altered, particularly for modern cards.

Ideally, there is a role for TPGs, unfortunately they are grossly inaccurate - the premium price for gem mints should be significantly lower.

If you are going to try to win playing the grading game, you must be prepared to lose with the grading industry as well.

[boxbuster7]

I just buy 9s for less than the cost of grading most of the time. We've slowly started to see it but the psa 10 deathcults grip on the industry is cracking.

[BambinoShuffle]

Authenticity, preservation, aesthetic appeal, archival registration. Grading up to this point is so full of human error and subjective interpretation, there’s definitely room for evolution. The service of registering your physical medium and being able to handle a tamper proof encapsulation so a collector can still admire that physical object is still worth a 20 dollar fee for me personally.

The Wemby true black prizm 1/1 decert, at this point, would be redundant. The whales know what they’re buying. The publicity of such a card has tarnished the long term max out from purists… But in the long run, there’s only one of it, and down the line, will sell whatever the most driven collector is willing to pay for it.

While there are so many other commodities in which to invest, there’s no denying how compelling nostalgia is in terms of ROI. Risky, but worthwhile, especially when it comes to something as pure and finite as an athlete’s career.

As investors, collectors, and consumers, there is a market for grading/preservation services. The service must use modern tools to elevate its value. Super HD scans, AI assisted grading, UV protective slabs, anti-counterfeit labels, and ownership history would serve as added value to the current database of information. There’s value here, beyond the insta flip shark tank.

[DaryanLenz]

I find all this purist garbage akin to the people at church these days who are so “anti-change” that they abhor anyone who wants things to be different yet they would rather stand around watching church after church shutter its doors rather than acknowledging they are the problem. Literally every other corner of the collectible and investment market allows for improvements to physical objects outside of actually altering the object itself, ie. Trimming yet the God’s of sports cards decided it wasn’t going to be a thing. People have been cleaning, soaking, praying for years to sports cards yet PSA, in this instance, takes a stance against it while simultaneously grading hundreds of thousands of truly altered and trimmed cards for years. Save me the righteous indignation. As far as which one I one would rather have….the one that looks the best to my eye and to that of the grader’s eye and if it has been soaked in unobtainium in order to make it :better” than so be it. All of you old dudes reminiscing about the 1980’s need to get over yourselves and stop ruining everything because you refuse to change. I was alive in the 80’s and very very very young but boy did I never anticipate that “change” would become heretical.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

I find all this purist garbage akin to the people at church these days who are so “anti-change” that they abhor anyone who wants things to be different yet they would rather stand around watching church after church shutter its doors rather than acknowledging they are the problem. Literally every other corner of the collectible and investment market allows for improvements to physical objects outside of actually altering the object itself, ie. Trimming yet the God’s of sports cards decided it wasn’t going to be a thing. People have been cleaning, soaking, praying for years to sports cards yet PSA, in this instance, takes a stance against it while simultaneously grading hundreds of thousands of truly altered and trimmed cards for years. Save me the righteous indignation. As far as which one I one would rather have….the one that looks the best to my eye and to that of the grader’s eye and if it has been soaked in unobtainium in order to make it :better” than so be it. All of you old dudes reminiscing about the 1980’s need to get over yourselves and stop ruining everything because you refuse to change. I was alive in the 80’s and very very very young but boy did I never anticipate that “change” would become heretical.

A take as bad as your feedback.

[sportzluvr1]

PSA 10 is a lie

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

I find all this purist garbage akin to the people at church these days who are so “anti-change” that they abhor anyone who wants things to be different yet they would rather stand around watching church after church shutter its doors rather than acknowledging they are the problem. Literally every other corner of the collectible and investment market allows for improvements to physical objects outside of actually altering the object itself, ie. Trimming yet the God’s of sports cards decided it wasn’t going to be a thing. People have been cleaning, soaking, praying for years to sports cards yet PSA, in this instance, takes a stance against it while simultaneously grading hundreds of thousands of truly altered and trimmed cards for years. Save me the righteous indignation. As far as which one I one would rather have….the one that looks the best to my eye and to that of the grader’s eye and if it has been soaked in unobtainium in order to make it :better” than so be it. All of you old dudes reminiscing about the 1980’s need to get over yourselves and stop ruining everything because you refuse to change. I was alive in the 80’s and very very very young but boy did I never anticipate that “change” would become heretical.

Yikes

[ThoseBackPages]

BIG mad!

[larry25]

Wow, tell us how you really feel. And BambinoShuffle dropping truth bombs! Come on, guys, bring out your dead!

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

A take as bad as your feedback.

You just aren't willing to change and accept that not-old people pay whenever they feel like it, if at all.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

I find all this purist garbage akin to the people at church these days who are so “anti-change” that they abhor anyone who wants things to be different yet they would rather stand around watching church after church shutter its doors rather than acknowledging they are the problem. Literally every other corner of the collectible and investment market allows for improvements to physical objects outside of actually altering the object itself, ie. Trimming yet the God’s of sports cards decided it wasn’t going to be a thing. People have been cleaning, soaking, praying for years to sports cards yet PSA, in this instance, takes a stance against it while simultaneously grading hundreds of thousands of truly altered and trimmed cards for years. Save me the righteous indignation. As far as which one I one would rather have….the one that looks the best to my eye and to that of the grader’s eye and if it has been soaked in unobtainium in order to make it :better” than so be it. All of you old dudes reminiscing about the 1980’s need to get over yourselves and stop ruining everything because you refuse to change. I was alive in the 80’s and very very very young but boy did I never anticipate that “change” would become heretical.

Cool story. Go ahead and post a psa 10 fs and disclose you altered it, lmk how it goes.

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[DaryanLenz]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Cool story. Go ahead and post a psa 10 fs and disclose you altered it, lmk how it goes.

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I’ve never altered a card in my life. I’m sorry you can’t cope with opinions you don’t agree with.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

I find all this purist garbage akin to the people at church these days who are so “anti-change” that they abhor anyone who wants things to be different yet they would rather stand around watching church after church shutter its doors rather than acknowledging they are the problem. Literally every other corner of the collectible and investment market allows for improvements to physical objects outside of actually altering the object itself, ie. Trimming yet the God’s of sports cards decided it wasn’t going to be a thing. People have been cleaning, soaking, praying for years to sports cards yet PSA, in this instance, takes a stance against it while simultaneously grading hundreds of thousands of truly altered and trimmed cards for years. Save me the righteous indignation. As far as which one I one would rather have….the one that looks the best to my eye and to that of the grader’s eye and if it has been soaked in unobtainium in order to make it :better” than so be it. All of you old dudes reminiscing about the 1980’s need to get over yourselves and stop ruining everything because you refuse to change. I was alive in the 80’s and very very very young but boy did I never anticipate that “change” would become heretical.

Yikes.

Yes, this is all a matter of "change".

I believe you, though - I mean you were alive in the 80's!

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

I’ve never altered a card in my life. I’m sorry you can’t cope with opinions you don’t agree with.

You are the one who can't cope with our opinions that cards shouldn't be altered. Should we just agree with your viewpoint? Just asking if I am allowed to not want card juice slathered all over my cards and have people gently massaging the cardboard for hours.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

You are the one who can't cope with our opinions that cards shouldn't be altered. Should we just agree with your viewpoint? Just asking if I am allowed to not want card juice slathered all over my cards and have people gently massaging the cardboard for hours.

Fair enough! And IMHO a major improvement over the molesting language of yesteryear. Juicy! We are making progress.

[hermanotarjeta]

My solution has been simple - collect only cards I have pulled personally and assemble sets myself out of sealed boxes I open myself.

I know truly that my cards have been unaltered straight out of the pack.

I have no desire for anyone’s sloppy seconds.

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

My solution has been simple - collect only cards I have pulled personally and assemble sets myself out of sealed boxes I open myself.

I know truly that my cards have been unaltered straight out of the pack.

I have no desire for anyone’s sloppy seconds.

That sounds very pricey to acquire anything specific for your collection.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by LVDan

That sounds very pricey to acquire anything specific for your collection.

cant hide money!

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I have no desire for anyone’s sloppy seconds.

TIL: Cards = Vaginas

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by LVDan

That sounds very pricey to acquire anything specific for your collection.

It’s certainly a different kind of approach, but I let the boxes decide what I collect, in a way.

If you are after a certain player, you get and keep what you pull. You open boxes with the brand of cards you want to chase.

Sell off what you don’t want to keep.

That’s how I’ve done it since the 80’s and I live with the peace of mind that my cards are not altered.

Sure, it can be a bit pricey especially nowadays, but you really get to cherish the fact that you brought those occasional rare pulls to life.

You get a certain deeper attachment to them because you’ve been the only person who has ever owned them.

[fabiani12333]

The Sports Card Radio bros had a Burger King employee come on their last live stream who claimed to be soaking a Josh Richardson Prizm rookie card in Kurt's Card Care solution for a month: https://youtu.be/lItZuKIJcRs?si=7IEIzFL-DjIYR_Xu

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Why didn’t they deactivate the wemby 1/1 as well

Because grading 1/1s is ignorant to begin with.

Kurt is the same as anyone else taking advantage of the cesspool hobby marketplace to make money. In his case, he’s taking advantage of those attempting to take advantage of the cesspool hobby marketplace.

Good thing the hobby marketplace is not the hobby.

[JWBlue]

Can someone fill me in on the Wemby 1/1?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Can someone fill me in on the Wemby 1/1?

The guys who submitted the Wemby 1/1 Prizm black rookie card to PSA thanked Kurt's Card Care in a recorded video inside of PSA HQ: https://youtu.be/_D__5rhT-eg?si=oCJ6FaKYgZync_Ro