2024 Topps Heritage

[Skipscards]

Cards look great. Too many mistakes in production which is nuts considering how slow they have been to release. But still a beautiful set.

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Cards look great. Too many mistakes in production which is nuts considering how slow they have been to release. But still a beautiful set.

Completely agree. By far the best looking heritage set in many years

[wilsonsingles]

All the screw ups are just going to make the flip stocks even more worthless and the price will start to tumble faster.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

Completely agree. By far the best looking heritage set in many years

IMHO, 1975 is the best design since 1967....i.e. eight years ago.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Cards look great. Too many mistakes in production which is nuts considering how slow they have been to release. But still a beautiful set.

The thing is though, it's not just production....the checklist has holes as well.

How do Mike Trout and Yordan Alvarez NOT have chromes?

And while it's presumed that Tatis, Vladdy, and Yount have been held back for HHN, with Topps/Fanatics that's no guarantee.

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The thing is though, it's not just production....the checklist has holes as well.

How do Mike Trout and Yordan Alvarez NOT have chromes?

And while it's presumed that Tatis, Vladdy, and Yount have been held back for HHN, with Topps/Fanatics that's no guarantee.

None of this really concerns me as a collector and fan of the design. Trout is always in everything. He has a SP and a Throwback.

People will always focus on what’s wrong. I like to focus on the design, the incredibly good looking autos (especially of retired players). It’s awesome.

[base set]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

That being said, very likely that base cards overall were printed in very similar quantities, but likely packed out differently in different SKUs

Seems likely to me. I was thinking to try all 4 SKUs at once yesterday but nearest friendly local Target didn’t have blasters or Megas last night. Just hanger box & fat/cello.

I still had my hobby packs unsorted so I pulled the 9th cards out separately, just to see what happens later.

I did notice that most of my one hobby box had a run of lighter backs - always in the 4-5 spot in each pack. Building this one the expensive way via surplus ripping, I will definitely be selecting the keeper card from the duplicates based on the backs.

[DJP73]

I have Lawler in Houdinis 100 case break, Im pretty sure he is short printed. Thats a big one if it is, will see what he post today on his 11 case break totals. Hope Im wrong

[Rubicon Crossed]

Originally Posted by Rubicon Crossed

I finished up my first case which I purchased from Topps directly:


Collation was off in a big way...

I have 10 cards of four players, one of which is Acuna.
I also have only 1 card of two players (Luzardo, Patrick Bailey). So I can only build one base set out of my first case.

I think I figured out the problem as I record each pack I open in Excel....

A bit of history. The last case I opened before this one was a 2022 HHN. In that case the "hit" card in each pack was card #5. After opening a few boxes and looking at the spreadsheet as I was compiling it, it was easy to see that a certain group of cards came before the hit and another group came after the hit. Always. As two examples, Bobby Witt always came up before the hit and J.Rod always came up after. Every player came up either before or after, but not both.

In 2024 Heritage (at least the only case I've opened so far), the "hit" card is in the 2nd position. This leaves 7 slots for the second group of cards and only 1 slot for the other group of cards. If every hobby case is similar to the first one I've opened, then I'd have to think that Retail must be the opposite way as I'm sure Topps didn't short print more cards than they said, they just distributed them in different products. The other possibility is that other hobby cases reverse the group of players. Again, I've only opened one case so far. I have 5 more from Blowout to dig into. I'll probably open another one sometime this weekend. We'll see how that one goes.

Other than the puzzling collation, a very fun rip. Super excited about the flip stocks and I love the overall look the cards.

I now have finished 3 cases. I'll open the other 3 cases I have in a few weeks... Here is an update on the collation issues. I can build 7 base sets and only 1 master set from my 3 cases and I'm 21 cards away from a 2nd master set. Interestingly, 12 of the 21 cards I'm missing are from the inserts (BFs, NFs, TANs). I'll post the results of my 3 case rip separately.

Getting back to the base set, these guys appear to be shortprinted... It will be interesting to see if Retail has more of these guys than the rest to balance out the overall distribution or if they are truly shortprinted. I have no more than 11 cards of each one and some as few as 7. (note: I may have missed one or two as I was scanning my Excel file but it's pretty complete if not complete).

102 Soler, 103 Montgomery, 108 Bieber, 113 Call, 114 Smith-Shawver, 115 Holmes, 120 Ragans, 122 J. Lowe, 124 Schmitt, 126 Buxton, 131 O. Cruz, 138 Greene, 141 Bradley, 142 Grossman, 144 G. Soto, 151 Cuas, 164 Singer, 189 Campanella/Berra, 196 Fingers/Schmidt, 210 Stanton/Altuve, 217 Raleigh, 221 Candelario, 224 Lee, 225 McClanahan, 231 Vierling, 233 Delay, 234 Correa, 236 Schmidt, 241 Bibee, 246 Ryan, 247 Skubal, 252 Grisham, 256 Wesneski, 259 Lynn, 262 Madrigal, 264 Williamson, 267 Caminero, 269 Gibson, 270 Castellanos, 271 Puk, 299 Miller, 304 Tucker, 313 Bednar/Clase, 330 D. Williams, 332 Turang, 333 Kelly, 335 Jon Gray, 339 Happ, 340 Rasmussen, 343 Rosario, 351 Hendriks, 357 Flaherty, 360 Gimenez, 361 Hand, 368 Adams, 373 Wendle, 378 Perdomo, 380 DeSclafani, 384 T. Walker, 387 Basabe, 391 Luciano, 392 Romano, 395 Lugo, 397 Cecconi, 398 Burger, 403 Bailey, 412 Myers, 413 Outman, 418 Carlson, 429 Lawlar, 430 Stratton, 434 JD Martinez, 437 Suwinski, 441 Toussaint, 442 Wells, 443 Strider, 444 Woodruff, 448 Luzardo, 454 Wade, 456 Joyce, 458 Reynolds, 467 Bogaerts, 469 Bohm, 475 Hernandez, 476 Kepler, 477 Ruiz, 478 Heaney, 479 Mullins, 481 LeMahieu, 482 Loftin, 485 Ty. Rogers, 486 Kimbrel, 498 Estevez

[Rubicon Crossed]

Originally Posted by DJP73

I have Lawler in Houdinis 100 case break, Im pretty sure he is short printed. Thats a big one if it is, will see what he post today on his 11 case break totals. Hope Im wrong

Yes, Lawlar is shortprinted in hobby. See what I just posted above.

[BabaORiley]

Tiny sample size but I've purchased 2 Hobby Boxes, 2 Monster, 2 Blaster...

Strider and Lawler are a couple of my most hit guys (4 Lawler, 3 Strider). Probably nothing but could be an indication they're falling more in Retail SKUs.

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

Tiny sample size but I've purchased 2 Hobby Boxes, 2 Monster, 2 Blaster...

Strider and Lawler are a couple of my most hit guys (4 Lawler, 3 Strider). Probably nothing but could be an indication they're falling more in Retail SKUs.

That’s my experience as well. See my post above.

[Rubicon Crossed]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

That’s my experience as well. See my post above.

Yep, glad you guys are confirming that. It makes the most sense to me.

[Rubicon Crossed]

Results from three cases:
1 master set, 21 cards from a 2nd master set (12 of those are inserts)
7 base sets
2 Flip Stocks (Garver, Pasquantino)
5 Red Autos (2 of Johnny Bench!!!, Sal Frelick, Jose Tena, Jose Fermin)
5 Blue Autos (Strider, Matt Olson, Bednar, Cecconi, Smith-Shawver)
5 Color Swaps (Bichette, White, Priester, Woo, Castellanos)
13 Image Variations (Priester and JRod – 2 each), Yoshida (3) and (White, Freeman, Ohtani, Carroll, Davis, Williams – 1 each)
3 Missing Autoraphs – (Soto, Westburg, Chisolm
72 White borders (only one duplicate, Witt best)
4 Black & Whites (Arenado, Lugo, T. Walker, J. Young)
10 Black Borders (Trout best)
2 Gold CCRs (Westburg & Varsho)
24 Regular CCRS (one of which is Lodolo with a relic of what appears to be a Yankee uniform?)
8 Chromes (Soto, Harper, T. Turner best)
72 Purple Chromes (only 11 duplicates)
6 Chrome Refractors (Kershaw, Rutschmann best)
8 Silver Refractors (Harper, Frelick best)
1 Black Refractor (Swanson)
23 Oversized cards (4 of Gaylord Perry, 2 of Torre and Eckersley)
13 Buybacks (Torre best) - 9 CCR's (Goldy, Vlady, Morel with City Connect, Henry Davis, Albies)

I’ll bust my other three cases in a couple of weeks.

[mikejones]

Originally Posted by Rubicon Crossed

I now have finished 3 cases. I'll open the other 3 cases I have in a few weeks... Here is an update on the collation issues. I can build 7 base sets and only 1 master set from my 3 cases and I'm 21 cards away from a 2nd master set. Interestingly, 12 of the 21 cards I'm missing are from the inserts (BFs, NFs, TANs). I'll post the results of my 3 case rip separately.

Getting back to the base set, these guys appear to be shortprinted... It will be interesting to see if Retail has more of these guys than the rest to balance out the overall distribution or if they are truly shortprinted. I have no more than 11 cards of each one and some as few as 7. (note: I may have missed one or two as I was scanning my Excel file but it's pretty complete if not complete).

102 Soler, 103 Montgomery, 108 Bieber, 113 Call, 114 Smith-Shawver, 115 Holmes, 120 Ragans, 122 J. Lowe, 124 Schmitt, 126 Buxton, 131 O. Cruz, 138 Greene, 141 Bradley, 142 Grossman, 144 G. Soto, 151 Cuas, 164 Singer, 189 Campanella/Berra, 196 Fingers/Schmidt, 210 Stanton/Altuve, 217 Raleigh, 221 Candelario, 224 Lee, 225 McClanahan, 231 Vierling, 233 Delay, 234 Correa, 236 Schmidt, 241 Bibee, 246 Ryan, 247 Skubal, 252 Grisham, 256 Wesneski, 259 Lynn, 262 Madrigal, 264 Williamson, 267 Caminero, 269 Gibson, 270 Castellanos, 271 Puk, 299 Miller, 304 Tucker, 313 Bednar/Clase, 330 D. Williams, 332 Turang, 333 Kelly, 335 Jon Gray, 339 Happ, 340 Rasmussen, 343 Rosario, 351 Hendriks, 357 Flaherty, 360 Gimenez, 361 Hand, 368 Adams, 373 Wendle, 378 Perdomo, 380 DeSclafani, 384 T. Walker, 387 Basabe, 391 Luciano, 392 Romano, 395 Lugo, 397 Cecconi, 398 Burger, 403 Bailey, 412 Myers, 413 Outman, 418 Carlson, 429 Lawlar, 430 Stratton, 434 JD Martinez, 437 Suwinski, 441 Toussaint, 442 Wells, 443 Strider, 444 Woodruff, 448 Luzardo, 454 Wade, 456 Joyce, 458 Reynolds, 467 Bogaerts, 469 Bohm, 475 Hernandez, 476 Kepler, 477 Ruiz, 478 Heaney, 479 Mullins, 481 LeMahieu, 482 Loftin, 485 Ty. Rogers, 486 Kimbrel, 498 Estevez

This is what topps want. People to figure out which base is sp to drive sales kind of like an unannounced sp.

On another note. Ohtani base is still selling pretty well. That's kind of crazy imo.

[13CardinalsFan]

Lawlar is not short printed. Every example is small size. I did 3 cases and he is in my top 20 in quantity.

The list the guy made for 3 cases as short printed is wrong also. Every number on the list I have large quantity amounts.

Everyone that is shorted any good names in their break thinks those cards are short printed.

The only break that probably give us an idea would be the 100 caser. 10 cases is not even not enough with the amount printed.

[Barryra2000]

Originally Posted by Rubicon Crossed

I now have finished 3 cases. I'll open the other 3 cases I have in a few weeks... Here is an update on the collation issues. I can build 7 base sets and only 1 master set from my 3 cases and I'm 21 cards away from a 2nd master set. Interestingly, 12 of the 21 cards I'm missing are from the inserts (BFs, NFs, TANs). I'll post the results of my 3 case rip separately.

Getting back to the base set, these guys appear to be shortprinted... It will be interesting to see if Retail has more of these guys than the rest to balance out the overall distribution or if they are truly shortprinted. I have no more than 11 cards of each one and some as few as 7. (note: I may have missed one or two as I was scanning my Excel file but it's pretty complete if not complete).

102 Soler, 103 Montgomery, 108 Bieber, 113 Call, 114 Smith-Shawver, 115 Holmes, 120 Ragans, 122 J. Lowe, 124 Schmitt, 126 Buxton, 131 O. Cruz, 138 Greene, 141 Bradley, 142 Grossman, 144 G. Soto, 151 Cuas, 164 Singer, 189 Campanella/Berra, 196 Fingers/Schmidt, 210 Stanton/Altuve, 217 Raleigh, 221 Candelario, 224 Lee, 225 McClanahan, 231 Vierling, 233 Delay, 234 Correa, 236 Schmidt, 241 Bibee, 246 Ryan, 247 Skubal, 252 Grisham, 256 Wesneski, 259 Lynn, 262 Madrigal, 264 Williamson, 267 Caminero, 269 Gibson, 270 Castellanos, 271 Puk, 299 Miller, 304 Tucker, 313 Bednar/Clase, 330 D. Williams, 332 Turang, 333 Kelly, 335 Jon Gray, 339 Happ, 340 Rasmussen, 343 Rosario, 351 Hendriks, 357 Flaherty, 360 Gimenez, 361 Hand, 368 Adams, 373 Wendle, 378 Perdomo, 380 DeSclafani, 384 T. Walker, 387 Basabe, 391 Luciano, 392 Romano, 395 Lugo, 397 Cecconi, 398 Burger, 403 Bailey, 412 Myers, 413 Outman, 418 Carlson, 429 Lawlar, 430 Stratton, 434 JD Martinez, 437 Suwinski, 441 Toussaint, 442 Wells, 443 Strider, 444 Woodruff, 448 Luzardo, 454 Wade, 456 Joyce, 458 Reynolds, 467 Bogaerts, 469 Bohm, 475 Hernandez, 476 Kepler, 477 Ruiz, 478 Heaney, 479 Mullins, 481 LeMahieu, 482 Loftin, 485 Ty. Rogers, 486 Kimbrel, 498 Estevez

Not a 100% sure I agree with the above. I opened up 3 cases as well and your first 3 listed, I have 10 extra, after making 7 base sets and 2 Master sets. Plus, a friend of mine cracked 5 cases and his “Short Prints “ were completely different than mine. It really makes little sense - but I do, absolutely love the design and sales have been tremendous!

[whitmm]

Sounds like 3 cases probably is too small of a sample size to determined anything.

[Rubicon Crossed]

Originally Posted by 13CardinalsFan

Lawlar is not short printed. Every example is small size. I did 3 cases and he is in my top 20 in quantity.

The list the guy made for 3 cases as short printed is wrong also. Every number on the list I have large quantity amounts.

Everyone that is shorted any good names in their break thinks those cards are short printed.

The only break that probably give us an idea would be the 100 caser. 10 cases is not even not enough with the amount printed.

Wow. Crazy. Thanks for your input. Very interesting distribution indeed!

[parkerj33]

Originally Posted by base set

Sheets are either 100 cards (10x10) or 110 (10x11) now I think. Topps Baseball runs either 330 or 350 card Series. Heritage being 100 card sheets is highly likely. But I don’t know how they might have set up 425 base / 75 short prints, the format that ended several years ago now. 100 card sheet for the short prints would be easier, seems to me. HHN fits a 100 card model too.

There is a 2013 Heritage sheet on eBay right now - 100 cards.

2001 thru 2007 they definitely used 110 card sheets. starting in 2008 with the 75/425 sp ratio its hard to know exactly what they did.

In 2001, as an example, there are 10 black back cards....I had a pic of a sheet where they printed the 80 black backs (1-80) and the 10 black backs in the main set.....plus 20 checklists (10 each check1/2). This also informs us that those 10 black backs in the middle of the set are just as short printed as the 1-80 blacks.

There are 230 cards in base set (220 redback and 10 black back).
I have no idea how they printed the 1-80 reds...likely they added the then&now inserts and classic renditions.

[ThoseBackPages]

yea, the 2013 set is 100 cards per sheet.
they also put the parallels and inserts on a sheet.

this one is mine, i thought i had a pic of the insert sheet as well, but cannot find it (you can see them peeking out int he upper left)

[smapdi]

In 2021 when there was the wrongback mess, the complete sets were 100 cards, which wouldn't happen if there were 110-card sheets. I expect Heritage has been 100 card sheets since they switched to having 100 SPs and round-hundred cards in the main set.

But yeah, 3 cases is not a large enough sample size to determine SPs in a product with a print run this size. Random collation, streaky though they might be in the micro, evens out in the macro.

[babybull]

I am confused. I bought a Monster Box. There are two cards which White Border on the back but the borders on the cards are red. Has this been discovered already?

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by babybull

I am confused. I bought a Monster Box. There are two cards which White Border on the back but the borders on the cards are red. Has this been discovered already?

Yep, recognized as White border but with the red border. Just add to the errors of the set this year.

[mikejones]

This guy's facial expression sums up heritage?

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