Who’s slow start has the most hobby concern so far this season?

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by daeve

He's not in a 'funk', his wRC+ is .001 higher than he had in 682 PA last season, that's not a small sample size.

I'm talking about this year. As a casual baseball fan, I don't do a deep dive into his stats.

I root for the guy, actually I root for anyone in the same division as the Yankees

[daeve]

Originally Posted by majestik101

I'm talking about this year. As a casual baseball fan, I don't do a deep dive into his stats.

I root for the guy, actually I root for anyone in the same division as the Yankees

I am too...? I just said he's giving nearly identical value so far this year as he did last. He's not in a funk, this is who he currently is. Unless he changes something, be it offseason preparation or whatever, this is it.

[WillBaseball]

No one, it’s too early, this is ridiculous.

Forced to play the game? I’d say Nolan Arenado. Last year was just a valley, the bottom of a no doubt HOF career. At what point do you worry he’s started spring training and now in season even worse this year and it’s not an aberration? Where is any power? ..But again, too early, he will probably go off soon and never look back.

[csmtampa]

Randy Arozarena
Yandy Diaz

[KhalDrogo]

Great to see so many young guys struggle early. Hopefully helps to reset the unproven player market.

Vlad
Carroll
Julio
Holliday
Robert
Langford
Walker
Chourio

Any other big names I’m missing?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Great to see so many young guys struggle early. Hopefully helps to reset the unproven player market.

Vlad
Carroll
Julio
Holliday
Robert
Langford
Walker
Chourio

Any other big names I’m missing?

Oops already listed up top.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Great to see so many young guys struggle early. Hopefully helps to reset the unproven player market.

Vlad
Carroll
Julio
Holliday
Robert
Langford
Walker
Chourio

Any other big names I’m missing?

Just means people will need to learn to bag hold for even longer.

[ThoseBackPages]

Topps

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Topps

Love it Eric!

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Great to see so many young guys struggle early. Hopefully helps to reset the unproven player market.

Vlad
Carroll
Julio
Holliday
Robert
Langford
Walker
Chourio

?

Ouch! Good thing I bought all of the above with discretionary funds

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Great to see so many young guys struggle early. Hopefully helps to reset the unproven player market.

Vlad
Carroll
Julio
Holliday
Robert
Langford
Walker
Chourio

Any other big names I’m missing?

I am confused. You want to see players struggle so their card prices go down? I want the opposite. I want as many young players doing well and collectors excited about collecting.

Julio seems pretty proven...two all star seasons, good defender 5.5 WAR per season. And in general his card prices seem pretty reasonable on the low end RC market.

What am I missing? You don't collect any of the players you mentioned anyways.

What cards should people be buying for value? You can buy junk era HOF RC cards for like a $1. Should people be buying Randy Johnson, Frank Thomas, Chipper Jones, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, etc.?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I am confused. You want to see players struggle so their card prices go down? I want the opposite. I want as many young players doing well and collectors excited about collecting.

Julio seems pretty proven...two all star seasons, good defender 5.5 WAR per season. And in general his card prices seem pretty reasonable on the low end RC market.

What am I missing? You don't collect any of the players you mentioned anyways.

What cards should people be buying for value? You can buy junk era HOF RC cards for like a $1. Should people be buying Randy Johnson, Frank Thomas, Chipper Jones, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, etc.?

Prices are not correlated to on-field success. Acuna’s market today is no better than a year ago despite his historic 2023 season. The only way to get back to how it used to be is to see big name prospect and young player failures. Burn it all down to build it back up the way it’s supposed to be. I’ve been saying this for years. Failures like Tatis and Wander are great for the hobby at large. Only bad if you’re a bag holder.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I am confused. You want to see players struggle so their card prices go down? I want the opposite. I want as many young players doing well and collectors excited about collecting.

Julio seems pretty proven...two all star seasons, good defender 5.5 WAR per season. And in general his card prices seem pretty reasonable on the low end RC market.

What am I missing? You don't collect any of the players you mentioned anyways.

What cards should people be buying for value? You can buy junk era HOF RC cards for like a $1. Should people be buying Randy Johnson, Frank Thomas, Chipper Jones, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, etc.?

99.99% of all cards produced will never be worth more than on product launch day, its a slow drop to zero for basically everything thats not a true one a decade type player.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

I am confused. You want to see players struggle so their card prices go down? I want the opposite. I want as many young players doing well and collectors excited about collecting.

Julio seems pretty proven...two all star seasons, good defender 5.5 WAR per season. And in general his card prices seem pretty reasonable on the low end RC market.

What am I missing? You don't collect any of the players you mentioned anyways.

What cards should people be buying for value? You can buy junk era HOF RC cards for like a $1. Should people be buying Randy Johnson, Frank Thomas, Chipper Jones, Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, etc.?

It all comes down to how much you have to pay to invest in top young stars.

You can’t make money if you are already paying top dollar for everything.

Many hobbyists want to be able to buy young stars for low again so that they can make more money when they succeed.

Nowadays, it’s buy high then sell low when you need the cash to pay for bills.

Not as fun for speculating investors in this hobby.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Nowadays, it’s buy high then sell low when you need the cash to pay for bills.

Not as fun for speculating investors in this hobby.

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[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Prices are not correlated to on-field success. Acuna’s market today is no better than a year ago despite his historic 2023 season. The only way to get back to how it used to be is to see big name prospect and young player failures. Burn it all down to build it back up the way it’s supposed to be. I’ve been saying this for years. Failures like Tatis and Wander are great for the hobby at large. Only bad if you’re a bag holder.

Can you please explain how you think things should be with the hobby? I just started collecting during the covid boom.
I basically buy current players I like with my hobby money ( that I can afford to lose). I participate in the hobby to have fun mainly by buying singles. At this point I realize buying current players is very risky. In fact it is basically gambling.

And I am a huge Tatis and Wander bag holder because I am a collector that rarely sells. Tell me why somebody that collects players they like and is not a flipper getting screwed by what happened with Wander is good?

So you want things to go back to 2019 and before? I would love that too. But that is out of my control. Seems much harder to make any money in the hobby. Is that what you are mad about?

I was under the impression that you were a doctor or had some other high paying job and can afford to participate in the hobby?

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It all comes down to how much you have to pay to invest in top young stars.

You can’t make money if you are already paying top dollar for everything.

Many hobbyists want to be able to buy young stars for low again so that they can make more money when they succeed.

Nowadays, it’s buy high then sell low when you need the cash to pay for bills.

Not as fun for speculating investors in this hobby.

If the goal for people is to buy low and sell high that is very problematic with the current cost of wax. If your goal is to only make money in the hobby, than it's time to find another hobby.

Unless you only bought before 2019 and 2020 it is unlikely you are going to make money by ripping wax and selling. Just the way it is.

And if you need to sell cards to pay bills, than you should limit how you participate in the hobby and how much you spend.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Can you please explain how you think things should be with the hobby? I just started collecting during the covid boom.
I basically buy current players I like with my hobby money ( that I can afford to lose). I participate in the hobby to have fun mainly by buying singles. At this point I realize buying current players is very risky. In fact it is basically gambling.

And I am a huge Tatis and Wander bag holder because I am a collector that rarely sells. Tell me why somebody that collects players they like and is not a flipper getting screwed by what happened with Wander is good?

So you want things to go back to 2019 and before? I would love that too. But that is out of my control. Seems much harder to make any money in the hobby. Is that what you are mad about?

I was under the impression that you were a doctor or had some other high paying job and can afford to participate in the hobby?

I’m not mad about anything. I just want to see prices correlate to performance. That’s it. When that happens, the price of wax comes down and people start to collect the young guys again. Having new young guys worth collecting grows interest and engagement in the hobby.

I ran a poll on IG a few weeks back asking what was the debut year of the last player you started a new PC of. 86% answered prior to 2021. That’s astonishing. So only 1 in 7 have started a PC of a player who was drafted in the last three years. It speaks volumes to how unreasonably expensive everything new is.

No matter what some say, this is not about making money. This is about growing the hobby the right way. Unfortunately, the powers that be are too stupid and greedy to develop a long term plan for success.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

If the goal for people is to buy low and sell high that is very problematic with the current cost of wax. If your goal is to only make money in the hobby, than it's time to find another hobby.

Unless you only bought before 2019 and 2020 it is unlikely you are going to make money by ripping wax and selling. Just the way it is.

And if you need to sell cards to pay bills, than you should limit how you participate in the hobby and how much you spend.

My hope is that in the short term, the high prices and value lost will make it a lot less appealing for the speculators to stay in the hobby.

That would make collecting less expensive for everyone who remains.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by SleepyWill

Whose slow start has the most hobby concern so far this season?

Lot of players through two weeks are coming out of the gates poorly.

Who's the most worrisome so far?

Why would the hobby care?

Only the marketplace cares.

[larry25]

Blowout preaching! Preach on, brothers! Because thou shalt judge!!

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I’m not mad about anything. I just want to see prices correlate to performance. That’s it. When that happens, the price of wax comes down and people start to collect the young guys again. Having new young guys worth collecting grows interest and engagement in the hobby.

I ran a poll on IG a few weeks back asking what was the debut year of the last player you started a new PC of. 86% answered prior to 2021. That’s astonishing. So only 1 in 7 have started a PC of a player who was drafted in the last three years. It speaks volumes to how unreasonably expensive everything new is.

No matter what some say, this is not about making money. This is about growing the hobby the right way. Unfortunately, the powers that be are too stupid and greedy to develop a long term plan for success.

You’re disingenuous and self-serving as demonstrated by your past history of opportunistic posts. Furthermore, you already know fully well that pricing can’t fully correlate to performance.

Lastly you already know “growing the hobby” is only important for sellers, and that they’re mostly talking about a marketplace when you do talk about growth.

Collectors already know there will be both new and old cards to collect whether or not the marketplace grows or not…and don’t care whether the marketplace grows.

[fabiani12333]

Julio Rodriguez with 0 HR and only 4 BB in 78 PA to start the season -- crazy. It must be an injury, right?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Julio Rodriguez with 0 HR and only 4 BB in 78 PA to start the season -- crazy. It must be an injury, right?

He always starts slow. It’s cold in Seattle still.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

You’re disingenuous and self-serving as demonstrated by your past history of opportunistic posts. Furthermore, you already know fully well that pricing can’t fully correlate to performance.

Lastly you already know “growing the hobby” is only important for sellers, and that they’re mostly talking about a marketplace when you do talk about growth.

Collectors already know there will be both new and old cards to collect whether or not the marketplace grows or not…and don’t care whether the marketplace grows.

I genuinely feel bad for you.