Andy Tuttle; Marco Island, FL, Ebay: consignmints, is a CARD DOCTOR (all PSA graded)

[ken161]

Card looked great before it was chopped up -- well centered with square corners. It took me many years to realize this, but grading creates far more problems than it solves.

Never get cheated.

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA 6 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #40932767

1962 Parkhurst Hank Bassen #19

Value gain of $16.30

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller treeatki as a PSA 6
for $9.22 on April 21, 2018.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8 for $25.52 on August 12, 2019.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.

[corndog]

PSA 6 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #28976670

1961 Fleer Frank Selvy #40

Value gain of $1,451.00

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 6
for $49.00 on February 05, 2018.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 9 for $1,500.00 on March 02, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed top and bottom edges.
No back image provided with first sale.

[DragonWagon]

Added to the altered card database


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[RealDocStrange]

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA 6 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #28976670

1961 Fleer Frank Selvy #40

Value gain of $1,451.00

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 6
for $49.00 on February 05, 2018.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 9 for $1,500.00 on March 02, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed top and bottom edges.
No back image provided with first sale.

Just here to say, this was a purchase, crack, alter, submit, grade return, and sale all in 25 days! A veritable factory. Thanks for all the work you do on these. Has anyone done an estimate on just how many cards were purchased by these accounts, and how many subs to PSA they had? Must be in the many many thousands.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by RealDocStrange

Just here to say, this was a purchase, crack, alter, submit, grade return, and sale all in 25 days! A veritable factory. Thanks for all the work you do on these. Has anyone done an estimate on just how many cards were purchased by these accounts, and how many subs to PSA they had? Must be in the many many thousands.

There is really no way of knowing.
There are many cards that cannot be confirmed as altered due to poor photos or scans or the cards were purchased offline.
This includes many high grade vintage with bat-eared corners or ultra sharp corners that you highly suspect are trimmed but can't verify due to the lack of sufficient or existing images.

Blowout member DragonWagon created a fantastic website for all of the altered, stolen and fake/counterfeit cards that are known and it can be found here: https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database/cert

[RealDocStrange]

Originally Posted by corndog

There is really no way of knowing.
There are many cards that cannot be confirmed as altered due to poor photos or scans or the cards were purchased offline.
This includes many high grade vintage with bat-eared corners or ultra sharp corners that you highly suspect are trimmed but can't verify due to the lack of sufficient or existing images.

Blowout member DragonWagon created a fantastic website for all of the altered, stolen and fake/counterfeit cards that are known and it can be found here: https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database/cert

I had a slightly different question which is about the universe of “possible” - or the count of things which passed through their hands.

Something like total graded card purchases between psa 4 and psa 8 or totaling up cert numbers which can be grouped into batches to same order …. Just to give an estimate

And knowing that it’s going to be hard to prove anything on most


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[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by RealDocStrange

And knowing that it’s going to be hard to prove anything on most

CGC really could take an important step forward to being "The Best Grading Service for Cards" if they referenced actual dimensions/measurements of a graded card to Cert #. I don't see PSA/SGC ever doing something like that unless it's forced upon them...

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by RealDocStrange

I had a slightly different question which is about the universe of “possible” - or the count of things which passed through their hands.

Something like total graded card purchases between psa 4 and psa 8 or totaling up cert numbers which can be grouped into batches to same order …. Just to give an estimate

And knowing that it’s going to be hard to prove anything on most


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Won't help with Tuttle estimates, but there's an active lawsuit which has recently produced some submission details from another known trimmer. Hopefully more info will come out, but one example discussed was a submission with 87 (61%) of the 142 cards being detected as altered, yet Beckett still didn't think there was an issue with the submitter. 2005 - 2019 is likely thousands of cards.

https://x.com/Paul_Lesko/status/1779148442339586087

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1304959

Some other submission data from the basketball forums.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=140





Likely related to all the great work Corndog, 312, Superdan,.... did with the various trimming threads, Beckett allegedly "flagged" the account in 2019.

[larry25]

Interesting read, thanks for sharing. I have always heard that this man and a partner of his were the biggest card doctors in the modern hobby, literally for decades when it was not widely known to be done to newer cards. Seeing as how they are rather prominent in the world of card doctoring, is there not a thread devoted to these guys? I tend to overestimate things, but I'd bet these guys alone are responsible for tens of thousands of altered cards, and supposedly they ran in a circle of other guys who did the same work. As these records show, basically their entire orders consisted of trimmed cards, and they likely submitted several thousand grading orders between all companies during those 20 years. Unreal!

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Won't help with Tuttle estimates, but there's an active lawsuit which has recently produced some submission details from another known trimmer. Hopefully more info will come out, but one example discussed was a submission with 87 (61%) of the 142 cards being detected as altered, yet Beckett still didn't think there was an issue with the submitter. 2005 - 2019 is likely thousands of cards.

https://x.com/Paul_Lesko/status/1779148442339586087

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1304959

Some other submission data from the basketball forums.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=140

Likely related to all the great work Corndog, 312, Superdan,.... did with the various trimming threads, Beckett allegedly "flagged" the account in 2019.

Rattle had a video last month that showed how the Kevin Burge/Keith Koenig fraud operation extended to high-priced Pokemon cards as well.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by superdan49

Rattle had a video last month that showed how the Kevin Burge/Keith Koenig fraud operation extended to high-priced Pokemon cards as well.

Whoa, thanks, I'll have to watch this later. Don't have a good connection right now. So far as I've heard, this group EXCELLED at rare MJ and other mid/late 90s hoops inserts. Would be tremendously ironic and comical and absurd to know how many cards in Nat Turner's collection were subbed by them. 100s if not 1,000s is my guess. Potentially 10s of millions in value given how expensive that stuff has gotten. Still don't understand why they don't have their own massive thread. Maybe they were just really good at covering their tracks?

[corndog]

PSA 6 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #40932796

1964 Topps Hank Aaron #300

Value gain of $395.50

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 6
for $129.50 on April 24, 2018.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8 for $525.00 on March 07, 2019.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and bottom edges.

[corndog]

PSA 7.5 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #29032520

1964 Topps Indians Rookies #146


Value gain of $30.00

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller just_collect as a PSA 7.5
for $45.00 on December 31, 2017.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8 for $75.00 on May 26, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.

[corndog]

PSA 6 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #27377314

1964 Topps Bob Clemente #440

Value gain of $549.50

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 6
for $138.50 on April 17, 2017.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8 for $688.00 on November 22, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed right and bottom edges.

[corndog]

This card has been altered by two different outed card doctors so I will be posting
this documentation in both of their threads.
Both Andy Tuttle (consignmints) and John Slight (sundiegocollectibles) are prolific
card trimmers and still actively sell through their Ebay stores.

PSA 6 to PSA 5 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #24919817 (initial purchase by Tuttle)
PSA Cert #28755777 (trimmed by Tuttle, graded by PSA and sold to John Slight)
PSA Cert #43721842 (color added to back, graded by PSA and sold by John Slight)


1964 Topps Bob Clemente #440

First value gain of $5.50
Second value gain of $558.00

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was initially purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 6
for $144.50 on January 22, 2018.

Same card was altered and sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 5 for $150.00 on February 26, 2018.

That card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID t***c (John and Kamala Slight)

Same card was altered and sold by John and Kamala Slight (sundiegocollectibles) as a PSA 8 for $708.00 on October 10, 2019.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed right and bottom edges.

[corndog]

PSA 7 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #27432574

1965 Topps A.L. Home Run Leaders #3

Value gain of $414.50

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller gregmorriscards as a PSA 7
for $50.50 on April 02, 2017.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 9 for $465.00 on October 13, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.
The bottom is also trimmed.

[corndog]

PSA 7 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #25874636

1961 Fleer K.C. Jones #22

Value gain of $122.05

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller stevenovella as a PSA 7
for $86.00 on April 07, 2016.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8 for $208.05 on August 21, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed top, right and bottom edges.

[corndog]

PSA 7 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #25879939

1961 Fleer Hal Greer #16

Value gain of $135.73

PSA Set Registry: JayZ Basketball HOF RC'S

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID e***i (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 7
for $125.50 on March 15, 2016.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller PWCC (via Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8 for $261.23 on August 02, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.

[corndog]

PSA 6.5 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #28755758

1961 Fleer Gene Shue #41

Value gain of $60.62

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller fletchcollect as a PSA 6.5
for $10.48 on January 20, 2018.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8 for $71.10 on August 27, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed top and bottom edges.

[corndog]

PSA 7 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #25252368

1961 Fleer Rod Hundley #21

Value gain of $452.39

PSA Set Registry: jtsports1961

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 7
for $57.61 on December 01, 2015.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 9 for $510.00 on May 17, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.
There was no back image from initial purchase so I found the blurry one from a prior sale.

[ken161]

Crazy how much cardboard was chopped off with this one. Reasonable people can debate how much is ineptitude and how much is corruption in the hallowed halls of PSA. What a money-making racket.

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA 7 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #25879939

1961 Fleer Hal Greer #16

Value gain of $135.73

PSA Set Registry: JayZ Basketball HOF RC'S

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID e***i (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 7
for $125.50 on March 15, 2016.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller PWCC (via Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8 for $261.23 on August 02, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.

[corndog]

PSA 7 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #25252367

1961 Fleer Sihugo Green #15

Value gain of $416.67

PSA Set Registry: jtsports1961

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 7
for $34.33 on December 01, 2015.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 9 for $451.00 on May 17, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed top and bottom edges.
No back image provided with first sale. Edge chipping matches
as well as several small imperfections on the front middle.

[corndog]

PSA 7 to PSA 8.5

PSA Cert #25252350

1967 Topps Frank Robinson #100

Value gain of $176.50

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller just_collect as a PSA 7
for $22.50 on November 15, 2015.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8.5 for $199.00 on December 09, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.
Card had a slight diamond cut from the factory which he squared up.

[corndog]

PSA 7 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #24938950

1967 Topps Frank Robinson #100

Value gain of $185.33

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 7
for $39.67 on October 21, 2015.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 9 for $225.00 on June 02, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.
No back image provided with initial purchase.
Spots and chipping matches as shown.

[corndog]

PSA 6 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #25648729

1971 Topps John Unitas #1

Value gain of $109.35

PSA Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID b***b (Andy Tuttle) from Ebay seller kuna as a PSA 6
for $15.65 on March 30, 2016.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller consignmints (Andy Tuttle) as a PSA 8 for $125.00 on May 23, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.