Sports Illustrated for Kids cards discussion thread.

[ReggieBush22]

Anyone collect these? I've recently grown some interest in these whether the Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, etc.

Given these were only available in magazines and have perforated edges, these look pretty tough.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Anyone collect these? I've recently grown some interest in these whether the Tiger Woods, Michael Phelps, etc.

Given these were only available in magazines and have perforated edges, these look pretty tough.

watch for trimmed tigers

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by glen87

watch for trimmed tigers

Yeah, no way I'm buying a Tiger that isn't graded or in a full sheet. As for Phelps, those are much cheaper. Ungraded ones go for like $75-100. Might get a couple of those to submit for grading.

Apparently, the perforated edges need to be there or grading companies will considered them trimmed.

[jbcards23]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Yeah, no way I'm buying a Tiger that isn't graded or in a full sheet. As for Phelps, those are much cheaper. Ungraded ones go for like $75-100. Might get a couple of those to submit for grading.

Apparently, the perforated edges need to be there or grading companies will considered them trimmed.

Many of the graded tigers are trimmed as well. There’s an older thread on here somewhere that walks through it all. Usually the easiest way to spot a trimmed version is counting the “teeth” on the perforated edges and checking the corners for perforations. If I remember correctly an untrimmed version has 1) 30 perforations across the top edge and 2) perforations on the corners. Will see if I can dig up the thread on it.

Edit: here’s the link on some of the trimming that’s been spotted on the graded versions
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1314067&page=8

[Thunderdunk]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Yeah, no way I'm buying a Tiger that isn't graded or in a full sheet. As for Phelps, those are much cheaper. Ungraded ones go for like $75-100. Might get a couple of those to submit for grading.

Apparently, the perforated edges need to be there or grading companies will considered them trimmed.

Originally Posted by jbcards23

Many of the graded tigers are trimmed as well. There’s an older thread on here somewhere that walks through it all. Usually the easiest way to spot a trimmed version is counting the “teeth” on the perforated edges and checking the corners for perforations. If I remember correctly an untrimmed version has 1) 30 perforations across the top edge and 2) perforations on the corners. Will see if I can dig up the thread on it.

Edit: here’s the link on some of the trimming that’s been spotted on the graded versions
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1314067&page=8

Below is the link to what to look for on the graded Tiger (post 127) but read the entire thread, its littered with examples. I, personally stay away from ALL graded perforated cards that are costing big $. I have a Tiger Kids insert but I have owned them for so long my cost in them is almost nothing. There is a place for them in Tigers history, but if you are looking for a real rookie, that is pack pulled and licensed by Tiger its in 2001 Upper Deck #1 and the 2001 SP Authentic Auto #45. Golf cards have never been produced every year due to no players union on the PGA tour. Upper Deck had to work with each player individually to get them in the set. So dont let people say Upper Deck came out so much later then the others. There simply was not a licensed card, in packs, until Upper Deck. There are a handful of inserts or chase cards from 2001 as well that people have placed the "rookie" designation on. But the main ones are #1 and #45 from 2001 Upper Deck Golf and 2001 Sp Authentic Golf.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...8#post14960658


Dont listen to all the hype about how rare SI Kids inserts are in graded condition. PSA stopped grading them for 10+ years and this artificially keeps the population report down. Now with their more strict rules its going to remain flat. So much artificial manipulation around this insert in my opinion and quite frankly it parallels what is wrong with this hobby. You have people like Darren Rovell pumping them because he wrote an article about them when apparently some idiot paid 125K for one and now he thinks he has a connection to the magazine insert. The only reason some guy paid 125K for one is the media (espn) did a documentary and pumped up the views during the time. This in my opinion, influenced them because there was no mainstream or licensed company making Tiger cards until Upper Deck came around. If the SP Authentic Rookie Auto #45 was out during the time it would have sold for a million+ due to how much Tiger mania was going on. Considering the cast of characters around the 125K sale I would be willing to place money it did not even happen. So much smoke and mirrors. I do look at the SI Kids insert as a minor league card in baseball. I would not be surprised if the other "perforated" cards that are selling for big $ had the same treatment. Just my thoughts.

I also started a thread about the Tiger Woods Rookie Discussion. I highlight many of the things here.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1448641

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The most interesting story is the thread above talking about how these people are "trimming" and "reperforating" was that Mike Souza was found to be one of the people that did this altering. Read the 1st linked thread above ( the title of the thread, has the name Mike Souza), and then read the quote below from the espn article that Darren Rovell "hyped", err, I mean wrote. Quote is from none other then..... Mike Souza... Round and round we go but one thing I believe is, its not a coincidence that Souza and Rovell crossed paths that day. Souza also worked for PSA at one time as stated in the thread above... Draw your own conclusions, but if you cant spot the sucker in the room, its you.

[Thunderdunk]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Yeah, no way I'm buying a Tiger that isn't graded or in a full sheet. As for Phelps, those are much cheaper. Ungraded ones go for like $75-100. Might get a couple of those to submit for grading.

Apparently, the perforated edges need to be there or grading companies will considered them trimmed.

Highlighting your quote above. No. People are trimming them (altering) and then reperforating them. Most if not all high grades have shown this. See post #127 in the thread below.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...8#post14960658

[ReggieBush22]

Holly molly, I had no idea about the perforated alterations. So glad I made this thread.

So far, I've been sticking to ONLY buying full 9 card sheets, that way, I know they are legit.

Anyone have any advice on the best way to separate the sheets? It would be for grading. Thanks

[Thunderdunk]

Another SI Kids card that looks to be bad. This is for sale at Goldin.

[golfgasm]

Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

Another SI Kids card that looks to be bad. This is for sale at Goldin.

Yowsaaa....clearly

[Thunderdunk]

Looks like another BGS 10 got pulled yesterday from REA auctions. Anyone that thinks a SI Kids card is a good investment or something they want to sink money into really should read the links above. I would not touch these in high grade, any company. Seems like these just move from auction house to auction house. Some pull the listings when alerted, some dont. Getting old how much shadiness is out there. Just my opinion.

[Thunderdunk]

Looks like another Trimmed and Altered ( Reperforated ) Tiger SI Kids Card up for auction at Goldin.

I sound like a broken record but I would not purchase any SI Kids card in any high grade EVER. Thats just me.


https://goldin.co/item/1996-sports-i...-gem-minth6rk5

[ATLOTP]

Does PSA still grade SI for Kids cards?

[Thunderdunk]

Originally Posted by ATLOTP

Does PSA still grade SI for Kids cards?

Yes they do now. But as I mentioned above.... PSA stopped grading them for 10+ years and this artificially keeps the population report down. Now with their more strict rules its going to remain flat. So much artificial manipulation around this insert in my opinion and quite frankly it parallels what is wrong with this hobby.

Dont listen to all the hype about how rare SI Kids inserts are in graded condition. There are are a lot of Si Kids cards out there... Think of how many prizm base were made and then think Si Kids, I would bet they are similar in number.

There have been several of the PSA 10's & 9's that have been in PSA holders that are trimmed and altered as well. Its not just BGS or SGC. Some of them have been called out in the Baseball Thread that is 24 pages long around this discussion: LINK

[ATLOTP]

Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

Yes they do now. But as I mentioned above.... PSA stopped grading them for 10+ years and this artificially keeps the population report down. Now with their more strict rules its going to remain flat. So much artificial manipulation around this insert in my opinion and quite frankly it parallels what is wrong with this hobby.

Dont listen to all the hype about how rare SI Kids inserts are in graded condition. There are are a lot of Si Kids cards out there... Think of how many prizm base were made and then think Si Kids, I would bet they are similar in number.

There have been several of the PSA 10's & 9's that have been in PSA holders that are trimmed and altered as well. Its not just BGS or SGC. Some of them have been called out in the Baseball Thread that is 24 pages long around this discussion: LINK

Right, the circulation numbers for SI4K are huge. Something like a million issues. I think that some huge % of that exits the market through destruction or what have you, but none of them are truly scarce. That said, there are several athletes that don't have cards and have SI4K "cards."

But yes, I read the thread on manipulation. The high grades are fake and the low grades suck. Bad scene. Maybe I'll stick to what I know.

[Thunderdunk]

And another Tiger Woods Kids Card that looks to be Trimmed and Altered being sold on Goldin. 28 across the top.

I sound like a broken record but I would never buy any SI Kids Card in high grade. Not only did PSA stop grading the Tiger Kids Card for over 10 years to - this artificially kept the pop report low for high grades, but most are trimmed and altered. So much manipulation around these kids cards.

PSA # 50046743

https://goldin.co/item/1996-sports-i...d7xeoy?queryId



See post #127 in the thread below for more info on how this is identifiable. All you need to know is on page 6 of the thread below. That thread is littered with a massive amount of examples. Start on the last page after reading post 6 and work your way back if you want more info.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...8#post14960658

[saraceno21]

Is SIFK not being produced any longer? What other SIFK cards are in high demand? I have the Usain Bolt rookie card and some Michael Jordans. I know the Wemby is popular too.

[glen87]

Originally Posted by saraceno21

Is SIFK not being produced any longer? What other SIFK cards are in high demand? I have the Usain Bolt rookie card and some Michael Jordans. I know the Wemby is popular too.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...era-rcna134820

[SteelPen2]

I still have my copy of SIFK with the Tiger card inside the magazine. I always debated whether I should take it out and get it graded, but was too afraid of screwing it up.

[glen87]

may be coming back from the dead....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ute-rcna143865

[saraceno21]

Originally Posted by saraceno21

Is SIFK not being produced any longer? What other SIFK cards are in high demand? I have the Usain Bolt rookie card and some Michael Jordans. I know the Wemby is popular too.

I answered my own question. Received the new SIFK issue today. Charlie Woods card enclosed.

[itsbaytime]

Does anyone know anywhere to buy these in person or online?? My B and N and Bam do not carry it.

[glassofwater]

Are people buying this months issue? Charlie woods has a card

[Tonic3]

I like how the back of the card says he was born 8/5/2001. Uhh, that would make him 23 years old. He must've had to repeat a few grades quite a few times

[Thunderdunk]

Originally Posted by Thunderdunk

And another Tiger Woods Kids Card that looks to be Trimmed and Altered being sold on Goldin. 28 across the top.

I sound like a broken record but I would never buy any SI Kids Card in high grade. Not only did PSA stop grading the Tiger Kids Card for over 10 years to - this artificially kept the pop report low for high grades, but most are trimmed and altered. So much manipulation around these kids cards.

PSA # 50046743

https://goldin.co/item/1996-sports-i...d7xeoy?queryId



See post #127 in the thread below for more info on how this is identifiable. All you need to know is on page 6 of the thread below. That thread is littered with a massive amount of examples. Start on the last page after reading post 6 and work your way back if you want more info.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...8#post14960658

Looks like PSA cert was deactivated and the auction was pulled by Goldin. Im sure people will now promote how low the pop report is for high grade ones as well. Its progress but truthfully one big stain.

https://www.psacard.com/cert/50046743