On the Brink: Herbert & Harbaugh Dynasty is on the Horizon

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

They traded him after he said he wanted to retire a Charger. He was the greatest Chargers receiver in team history, you don’t give him an ultimatum of taking a pay cut or being traded, that’s just bad business.

The guy was the most reliable player in the roster last year. It’s not like he just walked in free agency. We kept the guys nobody cares about (Bosa and Mack) and traded the heart of the team (Allen).

The WR room is going to be atrocious going into the season now. Even if they draft Nabers, they could have had Keenan and Nabers. Makes no sense.

Nu-NFL WRs are a dime a dozen and you should never overpay or get handcuffed by their contracts. It’s just business.

And definitely not comparable to edge rushers.

[hermanotarjeta]

Looks like chargers are going to die-nasty for a few years longer before they have a chance at a dynasty.

Herbert investors and charger fans are going to have to hold for a bit longer.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Nu-NFL WRs are a dime a dozen and you should never overpay or get handcuffed by their contracts. It’s just business.

And definitely not comparable to edge rushers.

How did he handcuff them? It’s not like he wasn’t producing. If they draft Nabers, I expect him to have 1600 yards as a rookie year because that’s what he would be replacing in Keenan.

He had 100+ receptions 1200 yards 7 TDS in 12 games last year, that’s not handcuffing your team LMAO

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Jimmy G anyone?

Tannehill lathering himself up in sunscreen in anticipation of getting the call.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

How did he handcuff them? It’s not like he wasn’t producing. If they draft Nabers, I expect him to have 1600 yards as a rookie year because that’s what he would be replacing in Keenan.

He had 100+ receptions 1200 yards 7 TDS in 12 games last year, that’s not handcuffing your team LMAO

So 120 yards more than the current NFL rookie record?

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by tjforce

So 120 yards more than the current NFL rookie record?

That’s my point…

Why trade Allen when his production is still high and the guy you bring on won’t be much better?

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Tannehill lathering himself up in sunscreen in anticipation of getting the call.

Can you imagine?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

How did he handcuff them? It’s not like he wasn’t producing. If they draft Nabers, I expect him to have 1600 yards as a rookie year because that’s what he would be replacing in Keenan.

He had 100+ receptions 1200 yards 7 TDS in 12 games last year, that’s not handcuffing your team LMAO

I said “handcuffed with his contract”. Age, injuries and cap hit. Keenan never had 1600 yards. He’s only broken 1200 yards twice. Why would Nabors have to get 1600 to replace him if he never had 1400?

And don’t give me the extrapolation, because that’s part of why he’s gone. He’s a very good WR, but it’s not like they just shipped off a HOF WR in his prime.

[jplarson]

Wasn't Allen banged up last year? A heel injury on one of his running feet. Turning 32 in April. He was having a career year last year no doubt, but not to kid ourselves, there's not a ton left in the tank at this point. For every one Larry Fitzgerald putting up 100-1100-6 TD seasons into his mid-30s, there are plenty of Dez Bryants, Michael Thomases, Jordy Nelsons, Wes Welkers, Julio Joneses, etc etc who all fall off on the wrong side of 30.

It's super tough to lose a franchise favorite and it's okay to not be happy with that loss. But look at it with a longer term perspective. If he plays out this year with the Chargers and walks next year, at best (and unlikely) he's an end of the 3rd round comp pick in 2025. Not too far off from an earlier 4th round 2024 pick from the Bears. It's hard now but it's what's best for the Chargers going forward.

[shortstopguy12]

They should almost trade Herbert and just re start. They are not competing for quite awhile with this roster

[imbaked247]

Bummer as a fan but the right call for the long term, especially if they asked 1st about restructuring his contract. Got to plan for the future, Allen was the best receiver they have drafted in my time compared to a lot of misses same with rb. I remember telling my brother they should of got rid of Tomlinson and kept Turner way back when and he is my dude! BOLT UP !!!! SD for life

[Grid]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Wasn't Allen banged up last year? A heel injury on one of his running feet. Turning 32 in April. He was having a career year last year no doubt, but not to kid ourselves, there's not a ton left in the tank at this point. For every one Larry Fitzgerald putting up 100-1100-6 TD seasons into his mid-30s, there are plenty of Dez Bryants, Michael Thomases, Jordy Nelsons, Wes Welkers, Julio Joneses, etc etc who all fall off on the wrong side of 30.

It's super tough to lose a franchise favorite and it's okay to not be happy with that loss. But look at it with a longer term perspective. If he plays out this year with the Chargers and walks next year, at best (and unlikely) he's an end of the 3rd round comp pick in 2025. Not too far off from an earlier 4th round 2024 pick from the Bears. It's hard now but it's what's best for the Chargers going forward.

"On one of his running feet"? Unless you hop around, most people have two running feet. Allen was running around the Pro Bowl just fine

Dont try to cheer up the Chargers fans. They were all excited about Harbaugh putting them over the top. Then watched as Allen, Eckler, Williams, Kelly and nearly everyone else that played offense skill get shooed away. They need to learn what this pain feels like!

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Grid

"On one of his running feet"? Unless you hop around, most people have two running feet. Allen was running around the Pro Bowl just fine

I know, that was a joke

Just like Lovie Smith a couple years ago, nice to see another former Bear at the HC position do Chicago a solid.

I feel bad for Charger fans losing a fan favorite though. It's never fun. It's part of running a team though. I had hoped Khalil Mack and Roquan Smith would be on the Bears defense for a long time. C'est la vie!

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Wasn't Allen banged up last year? A heel injury on one of his running feet. Turning 32 in April. He was having a career year last year no doubt, but not to kid ourselves, there's not a ton left in the tank at this point. For every one Larry Fitzgerald putting up 100-1100-6 TD seasons into his mid-30s, there are plenty of Dez Bryants, Michael Thomases, Jordy Nelsons, Wes Welkers, Julio Joneses, etc etc who all fall off on the wrong side of 30.

It's super tough to lose a franchise favorite and it's okay to not be happy with that loss. But look at it with a longer term perspective. If he plays out this year with the Chargers and walks next year, at best (and unlikely) he's an end of the 3rd round comp pick in 2025. Not too far off from an earlier 4th round 2024 pick from the Bears. It's hard now but it's what's best for the Chargers going forward.

He could have played through it. They just shut him down because Herbert was out for the rest of the season.

[Archangel1775]

Apparently Keenan Allen was approached to restructure his contract and take a pay cut. He refused. You can't "want to retire" with said team without sacrificing something for the better of the team. Saying that, both parties did what was best for them. Nobody really at fault but if Harbaugh has to be the bad guy, he'll take it every day. With the Bears recent move, Caleb Williams is going #1. The Chargers target has got to be to hop over Arizona. They'll make boatloads of money drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. The jersey sales and fans problem could be resolved doing so in the short term and likely in the long term.

[ajlaxmn]

Originally Posted by shortstopguy12

They should almost trade Herbert and just re start. They are not competing for quite awhile with this roster

They'll be competing A LOT sooner than you think. This year, they'll be competitive, but playoffs is not something I am banking on. The year after though, after Harbaugh gets two drafts and cleared up cap space, absolutely.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by ajlaxmn

They'll be competing A LOT sooner than you think. This year, they'll be competitive, but playoffs is not something I am banking on. The year after though, after Harbaugh gets two drafts and cleared up cap space, absolutely.

Jim can probably win games with lesser talent vs. Staley. Staley was terrible. I’m very interested in the chargers this year.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Wasn't Allen banged up last year? A heel injury on one of his running feet. Turning 32 in April. He was having a career year last year no doubt, but not to kid ourselves, there's not a ton left in the tank at this point. For every one Larry Fitzgerald putting up 100-1100-6 TD seasons into his mid-30s, there are plenty of Dez Bryants, Michael Thomases, Jordy Nelsons, Wes Welkers, Julio Joneses, etc etc who all fall off on the wrong side of 30.

It's super tough to lose a franchise favorite and it's okay to not be happy with that loss. But look at it with a longer term perspective. If he plays out this year with the Chargers and walks next year, at best (and unlikely) he's an end of the 3rd round comp pick in 2025. Not too far off from an earlier 4th round 2024 pick from the Bears. It's hard now but it's what's best for the Chargers going forward.

I replace Cousins in here and it read good.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Apparently Keenan Allen was approached to restructure his contract and take a pay cut. He refused. You can't "want to retire" with said team without sacrificing something for the better of the team. Saying that, both parties did what was best for them. Nobody really at fault but if Harbaugh has to be the bad guy, he'll take it every day. With the Bears recent move, Caleb Williams is going #1. The Chargers target has got to be to hop over Arizona. They'll make boatloads of money drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. The jersey sales and fans problem could be resolved doing so in the short term and likely in the long term.

Only way Chargers get MHJ is if the Vikings trade up to 4. Chargers need depth bad, so either they stay at 5 or trade back. No way they would trade up, they just don’t have the pieces to be able to do that right now. They have so many holes in key positions.

[TheFrenzy]

Are we using this thread or the Charbaugh thread?

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Are we using this thread or the Charbaugh thread?

Ajax needs to get with the times. The first chapter of the dynasty has already started.

We even got the heartbreak prelude w/ the Keenan Allen trade.

The dynasty is inevitable.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

Ajax needs to get with the times. The first chapter of the dynasty has already started.

We even got the heartbreak prelude w/ the Keenan Allen trade.

The dynasty is inevitable.

The coach + team name mashup is pretty fun.

Charbaughs

McCarboys

Shaninerhans

Reefs

Haravens

Brownskis

Taygals

Mayoriots

Bowlcaneers

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

The coach + team name mashup is pretty fun.

Ebearflus

Lionbells

LaFlackers

O'Vikings

[oldgoldy97]

I’m not reading through this but did anyone float the possible 11 and 23 for Herbert idea yet?

[kluke84]

I don't think they end this season with a record over 9-8.
A lot of salary cap mess.
I think next year (2025) where they make the run for the Champ.