Series 2 delayed?

[odjickfan]

Originally Posted by anusinha

I know the OPC rc is a totally different beast but the base rc went from 120 to 50 in 24 hours, and retail isn't out yet.

On ebay, the last few sold are still around 100Cad.

[Davis]

With epack signaling s2 hobby (epack version) boxes will be $140, I hope no one is getting taken advantage of the current presales.

[cbeauch87]

Originally Posted by Davis

With epack signaling s2 hobby (epack version) boxes will be $140, I hope no one is getting taken advantage of the current presales.

If that's the case, I wish I could buy boxes on epack and just get the boxes shipped to me without opening them

[slightlyrounded]

I’m sure someone will find a way to do E-pack repacks 😂

[mfisher27]

Originally Posted by Davis

With epack signaling s2 hobby (epack version) boxes will be $140, I hope no one is getting taken advantage of the current presales.

I’d have to imagine the prices won’t be the same as Series 1. If so, epack will torch through that allocation.

Especially since epack isn’t reactive to wax prices on the market. There’s so many products on epack that will sit for a long time because the physical version is 25-40% of the epack price.

Skybox Metal Universe Champions has to be the most egregious example
$439.99/box epack
$99.95/box any online retailer

It went on sale a couple months ago for…15% off

I’m not saying it’ll be the same price as current presale but I can’t see it being $139.99/box. I don’t know if the product would last 3 weeks at that price.

Edit: not being reactive in the sense that once it’s priced, that’s it. They’d rather price high and sit on it than price too low and sell out in a month.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by Davis

With epack signaling s2 hobby (epack version) boxes will be $140, I hope no one is getting taken advantage of the current presales.

What "signals" S2 will be $140 on E-Pack? lol there is no way it's the same price as S1. Also by the time it hits e-pack and the flood of COMC starts, plus having to ship home etc. whatever minimal if any discount there is to current pre-orders (Hopefully most here didn't pre-order within the last month) will prob be moot given the price drop of Bedards by then (if thats your search)

[Davis]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

What "signals" S2 will be $140 on E-Pack? lol there is no way it's the same price as S1. Also by the time it hits e-pack and the flood of COMC starts, plus having to ship home etc. whatever minimal if any discount there is to current pre-orders (Hopefully most here didn't pre-order within the last month) will prob be moot given the price drop of Bedards by then (if thats your search)

UD has always priced S1 and S2 the same since epack began 9 years ago, regardless of checklist. Sure, they could change course but a lot ppl don’t think they will. But I do agree with you, the flood will be real.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Davis

UD has always priced S1 and S2 the same since epack began 9 years ago, regardless of checklist. Sure, they could change course but a lot ppl don’t think they will. But I do agree with you, the flood will be real.

If they price it the same, UD2 will sell out and a lot of Bedards will come to the market via E-pack.

[Davis]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

If they price it the same, UD2 will sell out and a lot of Bedards will come to the market via E-pack.

I agree. The market will be pretty saturated by the time epack hits as it’s usually around 3 months after hobby and retail hit. Retail flagship isn’t usually sought after, but it’s gonna be ripped like crazy this time.

Given where the blackhawks are at (no playoffs) and we’re only going see Bedard for 20-25 more games this year, I think this is gonna be close to a $500 young guns at release. And it’ll drop down to around $300 by the time epack hits in May-June. The epack floodgates are gonna pressure it down to around $150 in mid summer. I know, I know…”sign me up for all the $150 young guns”…but we’ll see.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by Davis

I agree. The market will be pretty saturated by the time epack hits as it’s usually around 3 months after hobby and retail hit. Retail flagship isn’t usually sought after, but it’s gonna be ripped like crazy this time.

Given where the blackhawks are at (no playoffs) and we’re only going see Bedard for 20-25 more games this year, I think this is gonna be close to a $500 young guns at release. And it’ll drop down to around $300 by the time epack hits in May-June. The epack floodgates are gonna pressure it down to around $150 in mid summer. I know, I know…”sign me up for all the $150 young guns”…but we’ll see.

Bedard is one of those ' what is the rush' chases. I'd rather take my chances in the offseason even if it is a 2x box multiple over sitting with a bunch of base UD S2 that simply take up space.

Nothing will dramatically change in value from now to Oct. Yet another Hughes is actually climbing. And UD S1 is 1/2 the price if you want to break boxes.

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

If they price it the same, UD2 will sell out and a lot of Bedards will come to the market via E-pack.

If they price the same people will be selling epack accounts with nothing on them but "sealed cases."

[cbeauch87]

Some new pre-orders up for 23-24.

OPC Platinum - $300 USD

SP Authentic - $500 USD

Laughable.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by cbeauch87

Some new pre-orders up for 23-24.

OPC Platinum - $300 USD

SP Authentic - $500 USD

Laughable.

So basically hit a Connor or lose your butt.

[anusinha]

yeah, crazy prices

[kingb22]

Originally Posted by cbeauch87

Some new pre-orders up for 23-24.

OPC Platinum - $300 USD

SP Authentic - $500 USD

Laughable.

We need Series 2 @ $300 to sell slowly (or drop) to get these back to a more reasonable level. I love SPA, but in a 16 box case your chances of a Bedard base FWA is ~ 20% .. in an $8000 case

[kellmuff]

where are they up for sale?

[cbeauch87]

Originally Posted by kellmuff

where are they up for sale?

DACW has both.


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[Seahawks fan]

That is brutal for Sp Authentic. Usually 2 cards in a case that will sell for a box price when its only $225. Bedard gamblers will be all over it, but 0 reason to bust a personal box at that price.

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by kingb22

We need Series 2 @ $300 to sell slowly (or drop) to get these back to a more reasonable level. I love SPA, but in a 16 box case your chances of a Bedard base FWA is ~ 20% .. in an $8000 case

The crazy thing is I've actually seen OPC go UP some places, likely due to the amount of Bedards and good return. The other issue is a ton of people have preordered already at high prices for FOMO so that alone will likely keep boxes high for abit, it's the same reason low end rookies from sets like the Cup will still sell for an ok amount initially.

[kellmuff]

Series 2 probably isnt dropping until the big 1/1's surface, including Bedards. That will keep demand up IMO as bigger breaks chase it. My speculation anyways...

[anusinha]

OPC might be the only thing worth breaking this year, and extended as well

[kingb22]

With the magnitude of the value being added for Bedard, I'm not sure how the breaking thing will work out. If you look at SPA for example, a fair box price for this class of rookies might be $225. Better than the last couple of years - more in line w/ 20-21 on release (~ $250ish if I recall when the hype was still big on Laffy, Kirill et al). So every player not named Bedard would yield a price of $3600 per case. The case is $8000 @ current presell of $500 a box.

Does Chicago price = $4400 in a Team Select, since that's WHY the case is $8000? If not, it would be hard to imagine that in Team Select all the other teams in the break want to pay a LOT more to subsidize the Bedard guy. A random break where you all just buy and hope you hit the 3% chance of getting Chicago is probably an easier 'sell'. I actually enjoy breaks and do it on a small scale but I can't get my head wrapped around how high-end products and Bedard can work out. Throw in the fact that the odds to pull a base SPA of Bedard in a case is like 20% and ... yeesh.

[fjf31970]

I was hesitant back in late September to pre-order a case of S2 because of the price, but I went ahead and preordered. I'm glad I did. Price I paid back then was $2,349.95 for a case

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by kingb22

With the magnitude of the value being added for Bedard, I'm not sure how the breaking thing will work out. If you look at SPA for example, a fair box price for this class of rookies might be $225. Better than the last couple of years - more in line w/ 20-21 on release (~ $250ish if I recall when the hype was still big on Laffy, Kirill et al). So every player not named Bedard would yield a price of $3600 per case. The case is $8000 @ current presell of $500 a box.

Does Chicago price = $4400 in a Team Select, since that's WHY the case is $8000? If not, it would be hard to imagine that in Team Select all the other teams in the break want to pay a LOT more to subsidize the Bedard guy. A random break where you all just buy and hope you hit the 3% chance of getting Chicago is probably an easier 'sell'. I actually enjoy breaks and do it on a small scale but I can't get my head wrapped around how high-end products and Bedard can work out. Throw in the fact that the odds to pull a base SPA of Bedard in a case is like 20% and ... yeesh.

For S2 a place near me isn't doing team select just random teams with revolving teams per each box in case. I'm sure they will somewhat subsidize Bedard but his theory was buy a box for $300 or have 30 diff break spots at $10 and different chance to hit Chicago in diff boxes. 32 teams=still $320 in and logically does make sense although I'm always a own box guy not breaks.

I don't understand the anger at OPC P pricing, with S2 prices I think that's actually lower than expected when there will be on-card Bedards, numbered, and his base should do alright since they put his preview in Team Canada, at least initially ala OPC regular.

[odjickfan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

For S2 a place near me isn't doing team select just random teams with revolving teams per each box in case. I'm sure they will somewhat subsidize Bedard but his theory was buy a box for $300 or have 30 diff break spots at $10 and different chance to hit Chicago in diff boxes. 32 teams=still $320 in and logically does make sense although I'm always a own box guy not breaks.

I don't understand the anger at OPC P pricing, with S2 prices I think that's actually lower than expected when there will be on-card Bedards, numbered, and his base should do alright since they put his preview in Team Canada, at least initially ala OPC regular.

Not long ago, OPCP was a 100CAD product. I even remember paying 100CAD for a jumbo box (2 autos) of 14-15 product for 100CAD during a sale. The rookie checklist was 50 cards long back then and is now 100 cards.

I'll trade or buy a few of the more common Slafkovsky and Xhekaj cards from 2022-23 and be done with the product.