Brock Purdy the newest QB hype

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I think a win is already priced into his card values but that's just me.

Could we see a paradoxical drop in Purdy prices despite a win as people rush madly to list and flood the market?

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Could we see a paradoxical drop in Purdy prices despite a win as people rush madly to list and flood the market?

could be the case with his mass produced, non serialized cards but not his numbered ones.

[TXRunner]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I think a win is already priced into his card values but that's just me.

If you believe Ryan Hoge, they are going up more in value if he wins.

"The rise of Purdy’s card value might not be done, either, as the biggest game of his career awaits.

“Do I think there’s room to go up from that? Absolutely," said Hoge. "If he wins his first Super Bowl title and wins multiple titles … then he starts to get more of that recognition.”


But then again, that could be the PSA machine planting that message......."send us your cards".

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I think a win is already priced into his card values but that's just me.

I tend to agree. He wins Sunday and then wins more? That's a different story.

There will be an afterglow bump for a bit if the Niners can pull it out. But not "huge gainz"

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I think a win is already priced into his card values but that's just me.

Possible, but prices seem weirdly low for that. One thing to consider is that people got burned on Purdy cards once hard this year already. Prices dropped almost 50% after their 3 game losing streak. The Baltimore game didn't help either.

[TXRunner]

The article I posted earlier almost spins the story as his cards are the highest valued of the QB's this year. They drop the sale prices on some very rare cards that sold this season. After reading it over a couple of times, I think the actual truth is that his cards have the highest volume of submissions this year, not necessarily have the highest resale value.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by TXRunner

If you believe Ryan Hoge, they are going up more in value if he wins.

"The rise of Purdy’s card value might not be done, either, as the biggest game of his career awaits.

“Do I think there’s room to go up from that? Absolutely," said Hoge. "If he wins his first Super Bowl title and wins multiple titles … then he starts to get more of that recognition.”


But then again, that could be the PSA machine planting that message......."send us your cards".

the big caveat is if he wins more super bowls. Then we're talking possibly another Joe Montana? I wouldn't discount that at all to some degree. He's got a great coach, great gm to possibly make further runs. Now, obviously I don't think he's the next Montana but card prices are more derivative of what if scenarios.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Possible, but prices seem weirdly low for that. One thing to consider is that people got burned on Purdy cards once hard this year already. Prices dropped almost 50% after their 3 game losing streak. The Baltimore game didn't help either.

His NT rpa is still a $15k card.

If the LA chargers were playing for the Super Bowl ring this weekend, a Herbert rpa would be $30-50k.

It says something about how the hobby feels about Purdy.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I tend to agree. He wins Sunday and then wins more? That's a different story.

There will be an afterglow bump for a bit if the Niners can pull it out. But not "huge gainz"

Sure, he did something jimmy g could not do. He beats Patrick Mahomes and won it all in a year where he was a legit mvp candidate. He's got the prestigious organization he's repping with collectors that have deep pockets. The real gains may come next year if he plays at an mvp level and the niners get off to a great start. But again, this is all assuming he wins on Sunday. I don't have any of his cards and don't plan on buying any anytime soon so there's my disclaimer. However I need a Purdy win to quiet these Mahomie pumpers/zealots.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Hand size seems irrelevant, you have total chumps like Ryan Leaf, Jim Druckenmiller, Dak Prescott, and Mark Sanchez in the top 10.

Ok little feet too. Also, too cute, too much smiling. They should be hosting the Puppy Bowl

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[fireballmike]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I tend to agree. He wins Sunday and then wins more? That's a different story.

There will be an afterglow bump for a bit if the Niners can pull it out. But not "huge gainz"

I would add in that if SF wins, he will probably need to get the SB MVP for any kind of significant gains, otherwise the "afterglow bump" seems more likely.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Possible, but prices seem weirdly low for that. One thing to consider is that people got burned on Purdy cards once hard this year already. Prices dropped almost 50% after their 3 game losing streak. The Baltimore game didn't help either.

Some good points. I think once people saw he was no longer the MVP front runner, he lost some luster however he can get some of that back by beating Mahomes. There's going to be a lot of people though that are just going to have to see more before they drop good money.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Possible, but prices seem weirdly low for that. One thing to consider is that people got burned on Purdy cards once hard this year already. Prices dropped almost 50% after their 3 game losing streak. The Baltimore game didn't help either.

To add to this: If (big if) he wins and looks amazing, that could be a huge influence.

If throws for 65% completion, 220 yards but McCaffrey runs wild?

Less so.

Chiefs are a TOUGH match up for the Niners. I went in expecting a win in 2012 and 2019.

I'm more zen this time around. I hope they win, but I won't be shocked if the Niners drop this one either.

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Some good points. I think once people saw he was no longer the MVP front runner, he lost some luster however he can get some of that back by beating Mahomes. There's going to be a lot of people though that are just going to have to see more before they drop good money.

Yeah that's what I believe. I think there's money holding out to see a SB win.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

His NT rpa is still a $15k card.

If the LA chargers were playing for the Super Bowl ring this weekend, a Herbert rpa would be $30-50k.

It says something about how the hobby feels about Purdy.

I don't think this is REMOTELY an apples to apples comparison. Herbert was a pandemic era QB that people WAY overpaid for, starter day 1 and put up crazy numbers as a round 1 rookie. Then it stalled and the offense withered against the Jags in the playoff a year ago. There's a "sunken cost" factor buoying his prices.

Lest we forget the Mac Jones prices paid.

Purdy replaced the guy who replaced the guy off the bench as a 7th round pick.

Herbert prices have almost nothing to do with Purdy prices. I think Herbert has better physical tools than Purdy, but that's not why the prices are different.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

I think there could be a decent bump with a win Sunday. Usually there's a nice run up before the game, but not seeing it for Purdy. I think that's due in part to market hesitancy surrounding the 49ers badely squeaking out the last two games.

Even if no bump, more important, there should not be a decline.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Lest we forget the Mac Jones prices paid.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I don't think this is REMOTELY an apples to apples comparison. Herbert was a pandemic era QB that people WAY overpaid for, starter day 1 and put up crazy numbers as a round 1 rookie. Then it stalled and the offense withered against the Jags in the playoff a year ago. There's a "sunken cost" factor buoying his prices.

Lest we forget the Mac Jones prices paid.

Purdy replaced the guy who replaced the guy off the bench as a 7th round pick.

Herbert prices have almost nothing to do with Purdy prices. I think Herbert has better physical tools than Purdy, but that's not why the prices are different.

It’s not only a sunken cost factor alone but also a “how high you were drafted and what was your post draft hype” factor.

Mac Jones was a pro bowler after his rookie year and had some good numbers AND team success as he actually made the playoffs, there was a reason besides the pandemic pump that his prices were high. Herbert’s price were high because of his raw skills and projection in addition to the pandemic pump. Purdy’s prices are high because he came out of nowhere and has had the benefit of being on a successful team.

Sunken cost can only carry your cards so far, Mac Jones and Trey Lance aren’t going to sustain anything close to pandemic values in the future if they are no longer starters or are out of the NFL - the floor for their cards is the same as any other QB that flames out, despite being pricey pandemic QBs.

The market is dynamic and real, prices will reflect current time data. Zion cards don’t get a boost in value simply because his prices were high during the pandemic. They are appropriate for the current market.

Purdy’s real card value in today’s market despite being a starter for a Super Bowl team are still relatively low compared to other higher drafted and more hyped QB’s simply because he was a low draft pick and not everybody is convinced has has the tools to succeed in the NFL over the long term. The big money won’t enter the picture until he wins a second or third Super Bowl.

On the other hand, the big money would jump in to a higher degree immediately if Burrow or Herbert wins their first Super Bowl, simply because they had built in hype going into the draft, call it a higher prospecting ceiling.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s not only a sunken cost factor alone but also a “how high you were drafted and what was your post draft hype” factor.

Mac Jones was a pro bowler after his rookie year and had some good numbers AND team success as he actually made the playoffs, there was a reason besides the pandemic pump that his prices were high. Herbert’s price were high because of his raw skills and projection in addition to the pandemic pump. Purdy’s prices are high because he came out of nowhere and has had the benefit of being on a successful team.

Sunken cost can only carry your cards so far, Mac Jones and Trey Lance aren’t going to sustain anything close to pandemic values in the future if they are no longer starters or are out of the NFL - the floor for their cards is the same as any other QB that flames out, despite being pricey pandemic QBs.

The market is dynamic and real, prices will reflect current time data. Zion cards don’t get a boost in value simply because his prices were high during the pandemic. They are appropriate for the current market.

Purdy’s real card value in today’s market despite being a starter for a Super Bowl team are still relatively low compared to other higher drafted and more hyped QB’s simply because he was a low draft pick and not everybody is convinced has has the tools to succeed in the NFL over the long term. The big money won’t enter the picture until he wins a second or third Super Bowl.

On the other hand, the big money would jump in to a higher degree immediately if Burrow or Herbert wins their first Super Bowl, simply because they had built in hype going into the draft, call it a higher prospecting ceiling.

I agree with all this.

[TXRunner]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s not only a sunken cost factor alone but also a “how high you were drafted and what was your post draft hype” factor.

Mac Jones was a pro bowler after his rookie year and had some good numbers AND team success as he actually made the playoffs, there was a reason besides the pandemic pump that his prices were high. Herbert’s price were high because of his raw skills and projection in addition to the pandemic pump. Purdy’s prices are high because he came out of nowhere and has had the benefit of being on a successful team.

Sunken cost can only carry your cards so far, Mac Jones and Trey Lance aren’t going to sustain anything close to pandemic values in the future if they are no longer starters or are out of the NFL - the floor for their cards is the same as any other QB that flames out, despite being pricey pandemic QBs.

The market is dynamic and real, prices will reflect current time data. Zion cards don’t get a boost in value simply because his prices were high during the pandemic. They are appropriate for the current market.

Purdy’s real card value in today’s market despite being a starter for a Super Bowl team are still relatively low compared to other higher drafted and more hyped QB’s simply because he was a low draft pick and not everybody is convinced has has the tools to succeed in the NFL over the long term. The big money won’t enter the picture until he wins a second or third Super Bowl.

On the other hand, the big money would jump in to a higher degree immediately if Burrow or Herbert wins their first Super Bowl, simply because they had built in hype going into the draft, call it a higher prospecting ceiling.

Great and agreeable analysis.

[Floridacardguy]

and meanwhile people keep on spending a fortune on the Herberts, Allens, and Burrows of the world, and by Monday morning, Purdy could be the only world champion QB of the lot. People love the chase- love to chase the greatness that is supposed to be there with some of these guys completely forgetting about the guy right in front of them that's achieving greatness

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

and meanwhile people keep on spending a fortune on the Herberts, Allens, and Burrows of the world, and by Monday morning, Purdy could be the only world champion QB of the lot. People love the chase- love to chase the greatness that is supposed to be there with some of these guys completely forgetting about the guy right in front of them that's achieving greatness

Either the Purdverts or Mahomies will be pretty happy come Sunday night.

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

Either the Purdverts or Mahomies will be pretty happy come Sunday night.

The forum is going to be an active war zone Sunday. I can’t wait.

[jplarson]

A snippet from a piece on Brock Purdy from Defector.com. The author does a far better job explaining his thoughts on "game manager" and "system quarterback" than I ever did. I know it's used pejoratively, I don't think it should be.

...He is a system quarterback because every quarterback is a system quarterback: They all call and run plays designed by others, and all their teammates operate within the same system, unless they're the New York Jets. Being a system quarterback isn't an insult. It's a job requirement.

So is "game manager." Operating within a system means you are managing the team you quarterback within that system. Those who don't manage games end up backups to those who do, and those who can't manage being a backup end up coaches to those who can.

A more telling descriptor, if you cannot avert your eyes from the quarterback, is "game-changer," and there isn't enough evidence to suggest that Purdy is one of those—yet. There may be two dozen individual game-changers in the entire Super Bowl era; we're not sure how many because we didn't bother to count...

Link - https://defector.com/what-can-you-say-about-brock-purdy

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by jplarson

A snippet from a piece on Brock Purdy from Defector.com. The author does a far better job explaining his thoughts on "game manager" and "system quarterback" than I ever did. I know it's used pejoratively, I don't think it should be.



Link - https://defector.com/what-can-you-say-about-brock-purdy

Looking forward to seeing if Brock can become a game-changer this Sunday!