Why is the Mike Trout US175 so iconic????

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I also want to give a shoutout to the 2001 bowman chrome Pujols auto, which is arguably more iconic than any Trout card in existence.

this is a great Rookie Card indeed.

imagine if Topps had not come up with Bowman Minor League inserts?

[jdandns]

Too bad we couldn't see what was written on Trout's bat knob on the 2011 Update.
If it was something saucy, we're talkin' real dynamite!

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

this is a great Rookie Card indeed.

imagine if Topps had not come up with Bowman Minor League inserts?

Man, that would suck for poor collectors!

They would have no clue where to find rookie cards and even if they did, they wouldn't be able to afford them.

[theshowandme]

The Fleer Billy Ripken breaks a key rule for iconic card status: the player sucked

[Neal]

US175 is iconic. Great pose, clean design. Top 5 recognized card 1989 to present to the average Joe collector

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[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by larry25

The river? You're misinformed, brother. Sy Berger himself, the legendary Topps employee who designed the classic '52 set and is known as the father of modern baseball cards, tells the story of loading up multiple dump trucks with leftover '52 high number cases and putting them on a barge and sinking them off the coast of Sandy Hook, NJ... in the ocean!... where they now sleep with the fishes. This is why ALL the high numbers are considerably scarcer and much more valuable than the rest of the set. What are there, maybe 5,000 or 10,000 total Micks in circulation? That's NOTHING. They are rare precisely because of this history. #fact #notalegend

Sy Berger himself also said he dumped them in the Hudson River. The story changed every time he told it. Believe it as fact or not, I don't care. There are still plenty of 52 Mantles out there to call them truly rare. I can't recall the last show I went to where there wasn't at least a couple. I collect cards that pop up for sale once every few years. Those are rare. A card I can easily find at any show is not rare.

Per Larry Canale, author of Mickey Mantle—Memories and Memorabilia, “Topps issued its high series so late in the summer of 1952 that sales were a dismal disappointment.”

This was mostly due to kids turning their already short attention spans from baseball to football season.

Canale went on to say that Berger and Gelman tried diligently to rid of their stock of these overproduced baseball cards by engaging with carnivals and toy companies.

But frankly, the two men could not give these baseball cards away.

No matter the age, people were simply not interested.

Eight years later, Berger and Gelman found their warehouse still filled with hundreds of cases of 1952 Topps cards.

Having moved on from this failed business venture, and needing storage space, Berger and Gelman waved to the bullpen for a garbage barge.

Once it arrived, these men loaded these burdensome cases onto the barge.

Within a few moments, this barge waved farewell to the Jersey side of the Hudson.

And with hindsight screaming, “What the heck are you doing?” cases of ’52 Topps baseball cards met their fate at the depths of the historic river.

[tconte]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I also want to give a shoutout to the 2001 bowman chrome Pujols auto, which is arguably more iconic than any Trout card in existence.

Nice! What does this card look like so I can make sure I remember next time
I see it that it is iconic?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by oplum29

the 86' Donruss Rated Rookie Jose Canseco says.......WTF!!??!?!?!

My brain couldn't get past Ben McDonald 1990 Upper Deck, but yes, Jose needs to be mentioned too!

[Neal]

Originally Posted by tconte

Nice! What does this card look like so I can make sure I remember next time

I see it that it is iconic?

Lol

I think it is blackish bordered with a bad action shot .... I think

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[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

No interest in trading on a message board. Never have.

I primarily collect what I pull myself.

What about buying as you obviously don’t do that either? It is a shame you had to sell your Trout to fuel your gambling addiction.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

What about buying as you obviously don’t do that either? It is a shame you had to sell your Trout to fuel your gambling addiction.

I became a responsible adult and invested in tech stocks about eight years ago with the proceeds from my collection to provide a more stable future for my family.

It was the best decision I ever made.

I still open some wax myself here and there, though not quite as often as current prices are historically ridiculous.

It was great to be able to pull chrome trout autos out of $65 boxes of 2009 bowman draft.

[DynaEtch]

Yea the 52 Mantle is not especially rare...it's just expensive. I see about 50 active listings at this moment on ebay for a 52 Mantle in a graded slab. PSA pop is nearly 2000 copies, and that's just PSA.

Similar situation to an Amazing Fantasy 15 comic...at anytime you can go onto ebay and scroll through many listings of it, they're just expensive is all (both these examples are ones of tremendous organically acquired demand. Imagine a manufactured scarcity card nowadays numbered to /10,000 or /20,000 commanding those prices).

The Honus Wagner (or Action Comics #1, Detective Comics #27 or inverted Jenny stamp) are actually scarce. An iconic card can be rare to scarce (as in those examples. One reason that boosts the iconicness is you see its picture, say of Action #1's cover, all over the place- reprints, pictures online, etc. The other reason is that the artwork is just that grabbing). But it doesnt have to be rare to scarce, and actually seems that most iconic cards arent (89 UD Jr, 80s Rcs, Billy Ripken FF, US175). Also, a rare to scarce card does not imply iconic (many tobacco card examples would fit this).

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

All iconic

It's interesting that 3 of the 4 Mt Rushmore baseball cards are all portraits. The 3 that almost no one questions, in the Wagner, Mantle, and Jr. I wonder if that is considered a 'classic' baseball card in some ways. (Yes I know way back in tobacco era many cards were portraits, so maybe that's why it seems like it). I do think the portrait style enhances the 'iconicness' of the card. Doesnt have to be a portrait though- see 86 Fleer Jordan or even this US175 are non-portraits.

But we all know how iconic portraits can be...look at the Mona Lisa!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I became a responsible adult and invested in tech stocks about eight years ago with the proceeds from my collection to provide a more stable future for my family.

It was the best decision I ever made.

I still open some wax myself here and there, though not quite as often as current prices are historically ridiculous.

It was great to be able to pull chrome trout autos out of $65 boxes of 2009 bowman draft.

ahhh ok, now it all makes sense.

i wish you well in your future hobby's, whatever they may be!

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

ahhh ok, now it all makes sense.

i wish you well in your future hobby's, whatever they may be!

I’ll always be a sports card collector, I’m just taking my time to build up a collection again. The great thing is that cards don’t disappear- they will always surface again.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I was gonna comment that there was something wrong with the image. Something being completely out of place.

Really, all things considered, the 1993 SP Jeter should probably be up there in it's place. A signed BC card, even the '01 Pujols, wouldn't seem like an appropriate fit either.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It's just an arbitrary designation.

I was just thinking about the term "vintage" tonight and many people have set the cutoff date at 1980 or earlier. Then I saw another definition stating it was twenty years ago or older, but 2004 doesn't sound or feel vintage to me in any way.

So vintage to me is 1980 topps and prior (Rickey Henderson rookie), and modern day would be from maybe 1993 (starting with finest) or 2001 until now, with the "junk era" between 1981-1992? The 90's usually refer to the 90's inserts era starting with 1993 finest till 1999.

Then there's ultra-modern, maybe 2017 to current?

Anyone else have any input?

I think vintage used to be 1985 or even most of the 1980s and earlier. Pre 1980 makes sense, but now I'm almost thinking pre 2000. This would put all of the insert/chase boom of the mid to late 1990s into the vintage category. Feels a little strange with all that flash, but I think I kind of like it. Helps further separate that golden age of inserts from all the crap today.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by larry25

Really, all things considered, the 1993 SP Jeter should probably be up there in it's place. A signed BC card, even the '01 Pujols, wouldn't seem like an appropriate fit either.

The Jeter is definitely more iconic than Trout in my opinion as well, but each of those cards define an era (prewar, postwar, junkwax, modern). The Griffey easily takes that spot over Jeter.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Bcr

The Jeter is definitely more iconic than Trout in my opinion as well, but each of those cards define an era (prewar, postwar, junkwax, modern). The Griffey easily takes that spot over Jeter.

They are both cards you will see on even the most basic flyer advertising a card show.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by Neal

US175 is iconic. Great pose, clean design. Top 5 recognized card 1989 to present to the average Joe collector

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agreed.

i'd throw in from 1989 to the present:

Griffey 89' UD
Trout US175
Pujols 2001 BC Autograph
ARod 1994 SP
Frank Thomas 1990 Topps No Name???

[MoreToppsPlease]

If your mom couldn't recognize the card then it’s not iconic.

This thread appears every 8-12 months or so.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

What about buying as you obviously don’t do that either? It is a shame you had to sell your Trout to fuel your gambling addiction.

Pretty much everything is a gamble, as I’m sure you are aware that you can’t borrow money as a loan to invest into the safest stock in the history of the market. The banks are not allowed to give loans for stock because of the risk. What is the definition of risk, correct, a gamble - “ Take risky action in the desire of a desired result”. When spending money on opening a box to hope for a big hit is a ?????? !

Is holding onto cards a gamble hoping that the players value will increase ? Is it a risk hoping that a player who isn’t in a group that is protected from the HOF rules of integrity & character? Owners and executives are protected of the fore mentioned rule while after retirement t can be held accountable. Is this not a greater risk that a player in free speech can be critiqued where that player is prohibited from be selected?

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by oplum29

agreed.

i'd throw in from 1989 to the present:

Griffey 89' UD
Trout US175
Pujols 2001 BC Autograph
ARod 1994 SP
Frank Thomas 1990 Topps No Name???

i can't believe i forgot about the 2001 SPX Ichiro card

[RedLabelRecords]

Personally, I’m a Topps guy. Bowman is cool. Nothing against Leaf. I don’t like panini. Topps is just my brand.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i can't believe i forgot about the 2001 SPX Ichiro card

Must not be iconic then. Personally, I have no idea what that card looks like.