Trout vs Harper vs Betts

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by pewe

How’s a similar career arc treating the long term legend and collector focus for Pujols?

I think without a shift towards media / big personality friendliness, Trout will be remembered fondly, but won’t break into the cross generational hobby love category.

Within this group offered here… maybe Betts could pull that off? Not sure. Each seems somewhat range limited in my opinion. They don’t seem to be on a path to be the next Jeter or Ortiz level of fandom.


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We are still in the lull in Pujols' collectibility. I firmly believe it will grow as time passes after he gets in the hall. His career has all the makings of one collectors will care about in 50 years, including the iconic card (2001 BC Auto). I remember from 2005-2010 how Griffey cards took a major hit. It wasn't until years later they jumped back up to now being the top cards in every 90s insert set outside of 1996 Jeter's. But there was a time at the end of his career that wasn't the case. I believe Pujols will do the same. And so will Trout. We can't look at either of them through the lens of today. It will skew our perception.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

Trout
Harper
Mookie

I would put Mookie higher on the list but he hasnt had an auto in a Topps product since 2015. I know modern day variations and parallels are still desirable but the lack of variety on the high end market just kills his collectability in my opinion.

You can still pick up 2014 Topps Mookie on card auto #'d RC's for <$600.

Can you say the same for Trout?

I'm not a Mookie guy but I wasn't aware of this. I was aware he signed less often and not much recently but I wasn't aware of the full scope. Why in the world are his RC autos so cheap and why are we not scooping them up? I've got a Stadium Club auto RC and a Bowman Sterling Magenta Auto RC and don't recall ever seeing them really spike in interest or price. Weird.

[msink28]

It's really unclear to me what would make Mookie Betts cards go up at this point. I guess another MVP? Another WS ring?

I'll go Trout 1, Harper 2, Mookie 3. My hot take is that Aaron Judge will surpass them all.

[towerymt]

Mays v. Mantle v. Aaron

Mantle held the title, only hit 536, and dropped below .300 career.

Mays crushed Mantle's WAR, crushed his HR total, and finished at .301.

Aaron tied Mantle's HR total midway through his age 35 season. Then he played 7 more years and hit over 200 more HRs. Home Run King. Not enough.

Trout doesn't have the World Series success of Mantle, he just has the numbers and the awards. But he's banked the stats and people generally like him while the other two are lagging in both columns.

Trout holds on.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by msink28

It's really unclear to me what would make Mookie Betts cards go up at this point.

Pitch very well.

[msink28]

Maybe he can close!

Originally Posted by towerymt

Pitch very well.

[awz50]

Still think its Trout

[pezzicle]

I think Trout will have wider hobby appeal but I think certain Mookie cards will hold a massive amount of value if he continues to not sign cards

[f2tornado]

Trout, especially if he gets to 500. Harper has a chance to eclipse but probably needs 500 and a couple more post seasons like the last one. Nothing wrong with Mookie but he would probably need to hang around another 10 years to sniff either 3000 or 500, two two categories that collectors seem to cling on.

[Nester99]

Trout signed everything for a decade. Mookie signed for one or maybe 2 years with panini.

Mookie autos will be the rare chase imo.

[SleepyWill]

Trout also has 3 seasons on Mookie. . .

If the Dodgers continue to load up and snag 3 out of the next 5 (pipedream I know) then again I go Mookie, Ohtani, Harper

Trout has stats and thats it, signs everything under the sun, in the 2050's how much will a base Trout auto be worth when he's literally signed everything from 2011 on.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by SleepyWill

Trout also has 3 seasons on Mookie. . .

If the Dodgers continue to load up and snag 3 out of the next 5 (pipedream I know) then again I go Mookie, Ohtani, Harper

Trout has stats and thats it, signs everything under the sun, in the 2050's how much will a base Trout auto be worth when he's literally signed everything from 2011 on.

In 2050, who is going to even be buying Betts and Harper Cards? They don’t have historically significant stats like Trout, and if they both make the HOF ( Betts and Harper ), that’s not enough to stay hobby relevant. Look how many retired HOF players there are now that no one cares about unless set building…..

[SleepyWill]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

In 2050, who is going to even be buying Betts and Harper Cards? They don’t have historically significant stats like Trout, and if they both make the HOF ( Betts and Harper ), that’s not enough to stay hobby relevant. Look how many retired HOF players there are now that no one cares about unless set building…..

How many Dodger HOF's have multiple WS rings that don't have demand that could end up with 80 WAR?

[rms13]

With how little the hobby cares about guys who retired 5 years ago these days I'll say they are all pretty irrelevant in 26 yeara

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

In 2050, who is going to even be buying Betts and Harper Cards? They don’t have historically significant stats like Trout, and if they both make the HOF ( Betts and Harper ), that’s not enough to stay hobby relevant. Look how many retired HOF players there are now that no one cares about unless set building…..

Will significant stats does Trout have besides WAR?

[atk825]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

I'm not a Mookie guy but I wasn't aware of this. I was aware he signed less often and not much recently but I wasn't aware of the full scope. Why in the world are his RC autos so cheap and why are we not scooping them up? I've got a Stadium Club auto RC and a Bowman Sterling Magenta Auto RC and don't recall ever seeing them really spike in interest or price. Weird.

In part all of his RC autos are pretty secondary products. I mean he has a Five Star...but who cares? To my knowledge, he has signed no flagship, with the closest being a 2015 Opening Day auto. His most mainstream auto is probably the Heritage, which came in complete sets. 2014 was just a different time and there was so much less product made.

All three have RCs during a time where production was less out of control than it is now and I would guess they all age fairly well. I am certainly happy to have snapped up his Stadium Club auto and in mint condition. The card is creeping up in value as well.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Will significant stats does Trout have besides WAR?

I mean he's pretty easily going to get to 500 HRs.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by atk825

I mean he's pretty easily going to get to 500 HRs.

Trout needs to stay healthy which is anything but guaranteed at this point. Also fairly achievable for Harper and a bit harder for Betts. If they all play until 40 here is what they need on average each season to get to 500:

Trout - 15hrs
Harper - 19hrs
Mookie - 25hrs

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Trout needs to stay healthy which is anything but guaranteed at this point. Also fairly achievable for Harper and a bit harder for Betts. If they all play until 40 here is what they need on average each season to get to 500:

Trout - 15hrs
Harper - 19hrs
Mookie - 25hrs

Yah. Mookie also has a resume that will be legendary even without the 500 HR. There's plenty of highly collectible players who fall short of key milestones. It's also hard to figure out which if any of these players just has a long tail to the end of their career. It will be more and more common to see players still producing into their 40s at this point.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by atk825

In part all of his RC autos are pretty secondary products. I mean he has a Five Star...but who cares? To my knowledge, he has signed no flagship, with the closest being a 2015 Opening Day auto. His most mainstream auto is probably the Heritage, which came in complete sets. 2014 was just a different time and there was so much less product made.

All three have RCs during a time where production was less out of control than it is now and I would guess they all age fairly well. I am certainly happy to have snapped up his Stadium Club auto and in mint condition. The card is creeping up in value as well.

For flagship Mookie has a couple autos in 2014 Topps and Update, but of course they are both horizontal inserts with sticker autos...

[ThoseBackPages]

if the Dodgers start winning world series', it will Hobby help Ohtani, not Mookie

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Rage

For flagship Mookie has a couple autos in 2014 Topps and Update, but of course they are both horizontal inserts with sticker autos...

He lived in a time when a rookie could come up right before the 4th of July and still make it into Update. And good to know. I didn't realize he had any autos in update. They all look pretty low numbered and yeah, sticker...The number of on card autos he has are really limited.

[wilsonjust]

Originally Posted by atk825

In part all of his RC autos are pretty secondary products. I mean he has a Five Star...but who cares? To my knowledge, he has signed no flagship, with the closest being a 2015 Opening Day auto. His most mainstream auto is probably the Heritage, which came in complete sets. 2014 was just a different time and there was so much less product made.

All three have RCs during a time where production was less out of control than it is now and I would guess they all age fairly well. I am certainly happy to have snapped up his Stadium Club auto and in mint condition. The card is creeping up in value as well.

Still to this day, my biggest hobby regret, was selling my pack pulled 2014 Bowman Chrome Gold Ref Auto of Mookie Betts /50. I sold it raw because it had a couple of tiny surface scratches but it did turn up later in a BGS 9.5/10 holder. Now, I did sell it for huge profit.....I think I sold it for $2400 in its raw state but just like anything else they went way up during the spike.

The last BGS 9.5/10 sold in Nov for $9200 but I know they were over $14k at one time.

Would have loved to have got $14k for it or just as well still have it and keep it locked away in the PC.

[SleepyWill]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Trout needs to stay healthy which is anything but guaranteed at this point. Also fairly achievable for Harper and a bit harder for Betts. If they all play until 40 here is what they need on average each season to get to 500:

Trout - 15hrs
Harper - 19hrs
Mookie - 25hrs

He likely won't, once injuries start adding up they simply just don't go away. Wouldn't be surprised if the Angels moved him to DH moving forward just to try and keep him on the field.

Trout will likely get the Bonds treatment more so now that Ohtani is gone, teams will just pitch around him.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by atk825

I mean he's pretty easily going to get to 500 HRs.

Is he? He has 368, he's 32 and hasn't had a full healthy season since 2016