Done with collecting - Page 2

BambinoShuffle · 12-12-2023, 04:25 AM

When it comes to chase cards, learn the strategy of patience. I’m not sure if you’re old enough to remember the Lombardi Trophy Hologram chase card from Pro Set. My father and I chased the hell out of that card. “Only a thousand of them were made!” We never hit it. Now, that experience between father and son was a huge turning point in collecting perspective. If you want a chase, wait for the chase to be over, and buy the prize. This doesn’t mean you can’t buy a box for the experience of the chase, but never continue to chase in expectation. Shoot your shot, but don’t exhaust your mag.

cardsin47 · 12-12-2023, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dk988

it is depressing spending so much on cards and not getting anything good

The problem isn’t the hobby - you’re buying Wax but want singles / just buy the cards you want

KhalDrogo · 12-12-2023, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

He posted before and seemingly was in it to make money and found out that there is not really any money to make and is disenchanted. Of course he isn't a collector, but the fact that the odds are so extremely stacked against the customer right now is not helping the hobby. I need someone to want to open the packs to pull the cards that I eventually want because I sure as #@#@#@#@ am not opening them right now.

The odds have always been stacked against the customer. Now you’re just paying more than ever to get bent over.

Rooftop · 12-12-2023, 07:22 AM

Buy Treasury Bills.

DioBrando · 12-12-2023, 07:39 AM

Buy singles, don't waste your money on wax as others have stated. I haven't bought a box/pack since 2018. People also tend to post good breaks and not the duds.

patchgenie · 12-12-2023, 08:03 AM

i would go for a sport that is not too expensive like nascar, tennis, or ufc. can still have fun and not go broke. haven't done any baseball besides a+g and heritage.

chilly55 · 12-12-2023, 08:16 AM

I've pretty much lost interest in sports card collecting myself. This year, I went the whole year without buying a single 2023 card, until Ginter X and the Heritage BF deal. Everything else I've passed on.

The biggest problem with the card industry, IMO, is the single licensed card maker. I started collecting in 1975, and have to say, the 90's, early 2000's were the best time to buy wax/singles and the best time for the hooby. By having multiple licenses, each company competed against each other to put out a quality product. The innovation in the 90's was amazing. The best inserts I've ever seen. Topps by themselves, has completely ruined inserts & game used cards. Even in the 90's when you only pulled maybe 6 inserts per box, there was value and because many of the inserts had great designs and some tough pull ratio's, they were highly sought after.

Now you see 10 parallels to collect, sometimes 2 to 3 inserts per pack, not box, but packs, it leaves no value to those inserts. Inserts are boring and game used cards have become laughable because they are no longer game used.

We are also back to the late 80's where cards are being over produced. Yawn. Here we go again.
I wasn't going to do Heritage, but cases dropped down to levels that make sense. But even Heritage is way over produced and the 1 chrome per box is long gone. Pulls odds across all products are worse than ever (over production). There simply is no value anymore.

I could go on, but the hobby itself is keeping me from collecting like I use to. I feel your pain OP.

deltazulu1 · 12-12-2023, 08:24 AM

I hear ya man. Like most everyone responding has said, buy the cards you want. Obviously there are some that would be too expensive/overpriced. What I came to the realization of was that putting money into the gambling methods, breaks, etc, was that the total I spent could have been used to buy what I really want. I don't do breaks anymore or whatever you want to call them. It IS a gamble just like Vegas. Odds are in the breakers favor.

Hang in there OP, take a break from collecting and regroup after.

KhalDrogo · 12-12-2023, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chilly55

Now you see 10 parallels to collect, sometimes 2 to 3 inserts per pack, not box, but packs, it leaves no value to those inserts. Inserts are boring and game used cards have become laughable because they are no longer game used.

Are you telling me you don’t enjoy the frozen red lava moon beam disco parallels /-5?

thenightman · 12-12-2023, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

He posted before and seemingly was in it to make money and found out that there is not really any money to make and is disenchanted. Of course he isn't a collector, but the fact that the odds are so extremely stacked against the customer right now is not helping the hobby. I need someone to want to open the packs to pull the cards that I eventually want because I sure as #@#@#@#@ am not opening them right now.

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There’s no EASY money to be made. FTFY.

tonedef2oo8 · 12-12-2023, 08:43 AM

You didn’t return to collecting, it seems you’re treating a hobby as a casino.

Biohazarddfl · 12-12-2023, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

There’s no EASY money to be made. FTFY.

You use your words and I'll use mine. Thanks

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theshowandme · 12-12-2023, 08:48 AM

I probably had a box/wax problem in 2020-2021.

I started buying myself one bigger card a month/quarter instead.

It has been a sigh of relief to get away from that craziness

thenightman · 12-12-2023, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

You use your words and I'll use mine. Thanks

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I make money selling cards every month so your words are inaccurate.

Biohazarddfl · 12-12-2023, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

I make money selling cards every month so your words are inaccurate.

Do you do it by opening boxes like the OP wants to?

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imbluestreak23 · 12-12-2023, 09:48 AM

I'd call it quits too bro.

You got duped

njsportscardguy · 12-12-2023, 09:55 AM

As nearly everyone has alluded to, if you're not willing, able & mentally prepared to LOSE, MONEY,....with virtually EVERY PACK/BOX of sportscards that you purchase, then this is the wrong schtick for you! The hobby has changed,....exponentially,....in just the past decade or so, and even more so....with the (essentially) global takeover by Craptastics, over the past several years!

Bottom line: if you're a sports fan & enjoy sportscards, but don't have the stomach/patience/finances to keep taking L's,....BUY....SINGLES! You'll...."get your fix"....in doing so, and....you'll be able to keep ungodly amounts of cashola in your pocket!!

theshowandme · 12-12-2023, 09:56 AM

Guesses on who's burner this is?

MiamiMarlinsFan · 12-12-2023, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Are you telling me you don’t enjoy the frozen red lava moon beam disco parallels /-5?

Now I want a Jazz Chisholm frozen red lava moon beam disco parallel #/-5…

MiamiMarlinsFan · 12-12-2023, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

I probably had a box/wax problem in 2020-2021.

I started buying myself one bigger card a month/quarter instead.

It has been a sigh of relief to get away from that craziness

You can build a really nice collection by just adding a card or two a month.

discodanman45 · 12-12-2023, 10:57 AM

If this is real, it shows how bad this problem is. This is an adult who is having unrealistic expectations of the hobby. Imagine what younger kids and young adults with no financial understanding will experience. The hobby is here to rip off people, plain and simple. Geoff Wilson may be extremely successful with his Cards HQ and this may be the new card shop. It is not really a card shop, but a card casino. Breaking, mystery packs, pack wars, grading $1 cards for $20, and investing huge money into prospects will put big money into the hands of the few and ruin many people financially.

If you want to buy a card, buy a card. Don't gamble unless you have the money to lose for entertainment. Putting cards into top loaders is also ok. Every card doesn't need to be graded.

anusinha · 12-12-2023, 11:06 AM

Ripping wax is the single dumbest thing you can do in the modern hobby. Wax is priced so that everyone loses except the house. Take Topps Chrome for instance, arguably the most sought after release of the year.

Jumbo box is $400... you can buy an auto of THREE of the last ROYs combined for about than the cost of a box (Adley 125, Carrol 160, Harris 100), each of those would likely be a case hit in the product.

f2tornado · 12-12-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

There’s no EASY money to be made.

Dealers practically give money away at every show I go to. Easy money once you have the knowledge to identify a bargain. Ripping is like playing the slots. Expect to lose but it provides mild rush which everyone probably needs once in a while. Even el cheapo me will buy a couple boxes every year for fun.

Biohazarddfl · 12-12-2023, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

Ripping wax is the single dumbest thing you can do in the modern hobby. Wax is priced so that everyone loses except the house. Take Topps Chrome for instance, arguably the most sought after release of the year.

Jumbo box is $400... you can buy an auto of THREE of the last ROYs combined for about than the cost of a box (Adley 125, Carrol 160, Harris 100), each of those would likely be a case hit in the product.

Well said. Has there ever been a bigger gap like that in the past 20 years? That would be interesting to track

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imbluestreak23 · 12-12-2023, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by f2tornado

Dealers practically give money away at every show I go to. Easy money once you have the knowledge to identify a bargain. Ripping is like playing the slots. Expect to lose but it provides mild rush which everyone probably needs once in a while. Even el cheapo me will buy a couple boxes every year for fun.

I almost get the sense that some humans work 40 hour a week jobs so that they can lose $1K-$2k month ripping wax/buying overpriced slots.

Fanatics owning a casino franchise w/o having to answer to any gaming commission (at least for their collectibles "business"). Brilliant

12-12-2023, 07:39 AM	#30
DioBrando Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 2,652	Buy singles, don't waste your money on wax as others have stated. I haven't bought a box/pack since 2018. People also tend to post good breaks and not the duds. __________________ 1312 no gods, no masters On leg day we do chest

12-12-2023, 08:24 AM	#33
deltazulu1 Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4 djzawacki	Get what you want I hear ya man. Like most everyone responding has said, buy the cards you want. Obviously there are some that would be too expensive/overpriced. What I came to the realization of was that putting money into the gambling methods, breaks, etc, was that the total I spent could have been used to buy what I really want. I don't do breaks anymore or whatever you want to call them. It IS a gamble just like Vegas. Odds are in the breakers favor. Hang in there OP, take a break from collecting and regroup after. Last edited by deltazulu1; 12-12-2023 at 08:26 AM.

12-12-2023, 08:43 AM	#36
tonedef2oo8 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 7,346	You didn’t return to collecting, it seems you’re treating a hobby as a casino. __________________ *“ I am very good at calculating stuff. 160+60=210 “*

12-12-2023, 09:48 AM	#41
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 18,172 shortslabs	I'd call it quits too bro. You got duped __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

12-12-2023, 10:57 AM	#46
discodanman45 Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: CA Posts: 10,040 danch27	If this is real, it shows how bad this problem is. This is an adult who is having unrealistic expectations of the hobby. Imagine what younger kids and young adults with no financial understanding will experience. The hobby is here to rip off people, plain and simple. Geoff Wilson may be extremely successful with his Cards HQ and this may be the new card shop. It is not really a card shop, but a card casino. Breaking, mystery packs, pack wars, grading $1 cards for $20, and investing huge money into prospects will put big money into the hands of the few and ruin many people financially. If you want to buy a card, buy a card. Don't gamble unless you have the money to lose for entertainment. Putting cards into top loaders is also ok. Every card doesn't need to be graded. __________________ Always looking for rarer Rik Smits cards and cards from the 2014-15 Spectra Global Icons set. Send me a message!

12-12-2023, 04:25 AM	#26
BambinoShuffle Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 450	When it comes to chase cards, learn the strategy of patience. I’m not sure if you’re old enough to remember the Lombardi Trophy Hologram chase card from Pro Set. My father and I chased the hell out of that card. “Only a thousand of them were made!” We never hit it. Now, that experience between father and son was a huge turning point in collecting perspective. If you want a chase, wait for the chase to be over, and buy the prize. This doesn’t mean you can’t buy a box for the experience of the chase, but never continue to chase in expectation. Shoot your shot, but don’t exhaust your mag.

12-12-2023, 07:22 AM	#29
Rooftop Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,596	Buy Treasury Bills.

12-12-2023, 08:03 AM	#31
patchgenie Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,079 americansportscards	i would go for a sport that is not too expensive like nascar, tennis, or ufc. can still have fun and not go broke. haven't done any baseball besides a+g and heritage.

12-12-2023, 08:16 AM	#32
chilly55 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dumfries, Va Posts: 3,583	I've pretty much lost interest in sports card collecting myself. This year, I went the whole year without buying a single 2023 card, until Ginter X and the Heritage BF deal. Everything else I've passed on. The biggest problem with the card industry, IMO, is the single licensed card maker. I started collecting in 1975, and have to say, the 90's, early 2000's were the best time to buy wax/singles and the best time for the hooby. By having multiple licenses, each company competed against each other to put out a quality product. The innovation in the 90's was amazing. The best inserts I've ever seen. Topps by themselves, has completely ruined inserts & game used cards. Even in the 90's when you only pulled maybe 6 inserts per box, there was value and because many of the inserts had great designs and some tough pull ratio's, they were highly sought after. Now you see 10 parallels to collect, sometimes 2 to 3 inserts per pack, not box, but packs, it leaves no value to those inserts. Inserts are boring and game used cards have become laughable because they are no longer game used. We are also back to the late 80's where cards are being over produced. Yawn. Here we go again. I wasn't going to do Heritage, but cases dropped down to levels that make sense. But even Heritage is way over produced and the 1 chrome per box is long gone. Pulls odds across all products are worse than ever (over production). There simply is no value anymore. I could go on, but the hobby itself is keeping me from collecting like I use to. I feel your pain OP.

12-12-2023, 08:48 AM	#38
theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,133 theshowandme nova_cards	I probably had a box/wax problem in 2020-2021. I started buying myself one bigger card a month/quarter instead. It has been a sigh of relief to get away from that craziness

12-12-2023, 09:55 AM	#42
njsportscardguy Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Posts: 930	As nearly everyone has alluded to, if you're not willing, able & mentally prepared to LOSE, MONEY,....with virtually EVERY PACK/BOX of sportscards that you purchase, then this is the wrong schtick for you! The hobby has changed,....exponentially,....in just the past decade or so, and even more so....with the (essentially) global takeover by Craptastics, over the past several years! Bottom line: if you're a sports fan & enjoy sportscards, but don't have the stomach/patience/finances to keep taking L's,....BUY....SINGLES! You'll...."get your fix"....in doing so, and....you'll be able to keep ungodly amounts of cashola in your pocket!!

12-12-2023, 09:56 AM	#43
theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,133 theshowandme nova_cards	Guesses on who's burner this is?

12-12-2023, 11:06 AM	#47
anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,970	Ripping wax is the single dumbest thing you can do in the modern hobby. Wax is priced so that everyone loses except the house. Take Topps Chrome for instance, arguably the most sought after release of the year. Jumbo box is $400... you can buy an auto of THREE of the last ROYs combined for about than the cost of a box (Adley 125, Carrol 160, Harris 100), each of those would likely be a case hit in the product.