✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I guess I don’t understand what the argument is then. Move to Toronto would be bad compared to what could have been for Ohtani’s hobby market.

The hobby isn’t going to care where he plays if he’s playing well and the team is doing well. He played in Anaheim for the last few years with Mike Trout beside him and his hobby status did just fine. Hell play in Toronto with a team much better than the Angels, he’ll have Canada behind him, he’ll have Japan watching and he’ll have all of the fans in the US still cheering him on.

You might not be happy about it but I doubt Ohtani’s hobby status suffers because you have the sadsies. As much as I’d love to see BBases lose more money on his pandemic investments, I doubt he will.

[pezzicle]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I guess I don’t understand what the argument is then. Move to Toronto would be bad compared to what could have been for Ohtani’s hobby market.

my post was more interacting with parts of the post that seem to be eluding to the fact that it would be bad for Ohtani the person as well.

They cite LAD as being "probably the highest potential pay day. He'd make more in endorsements than his contract". It cites a high Asian Population as a reason for this, ignoring that Toronto has a massive Asian population too, and his endorsements would cover an entire country and would be getting played continuously on our national sports networks, of which there are only two. The payday for him in this country will be absolutely insane.

They also say "Sorry Jays fans but they are irrelevant in MLB" which is inaccurate, baseball is massive up here. Maybe they are meaning to say Irrelevant in the hobby" which is more accurate but also ignoring the fact that while BASEBALL CARD COLLECTING up here is completely non existent, BLUE JAYS CARD COLLECTING is actually quite big and Ohtani will only make it bigger.

They also suggest "baseball is a niche sport" in Canada which it isn't and that they would "probably be trying to trade him in two years."

Which I also think is very wrong and just shows an absolute lack of knowledge about baseball in Canada and the popularity of the Jays up here.

[NCWolf]

If his hobby market is so bad then why can't many of us afford it?

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

If he signs with Toronto, I’ll be interested in seeing the “opt-out/no-trade” language in the contract.

If he does sign with Toronto, I can't imagine it being for more than 2 years. One year to rehab/DH and a second year to prove he can still pitch after the injury.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by NCWolf

If his hobby market is so bad then why can't many of us afford it?

People who say it’s bad right now were probably very active sellers in 2020-2021.

[imbluestreak23]

Man, just sold two Shoheis. But not to TOR buyers

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

If he does sign with Toronto, I can't imagine it being for more than 2 years. One year to rehab/DH and a second year to prove he can still pitch after the injury.

That’s kind of what I’m thinking too.

1 year for $55m with a player option for year 2?

[texmcpherson]

Originally Posted by Triple B

The hobby isn’t going to care where he plays if he’s playing well and the team is doing well. He played in Anaheim for the last few years with Mike Trout beside him and his hobby status did just fine. Hell play in Toronto with a team much better than the Angels, he’ll have Canada behind him, he’ll have Japan watching and he’ll have all of the fans in the US still cheering him on.

You might not be happy about it but I doubt Ohtani’s hobby status suffers because you have the sadsies. As much as I’d love to see BBases lose more money on his pandemic investments, I doubt he will.

His market won’t suffer from signing with Toronto, it just won’t see the spike it potentially has with teams like the Red Sox, Dodgers, and especially the Yankees.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

That’s kind of what I’m thinking too.

1 year for $55m with a player option for year 2?

He's not worth 55m a year while rehabbing.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Man, just sold two Shoheis. But not to TOR buyers

Just sold one to....a buyer from Canada! 👀

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

That’s kind of what I’m thinking too.

1 year for $55m with a player option for year 2?

He needs at least two seasons to reestablish himself as a pitcher. Any free-agent -- aside from Trevor Bauer --will want more financial security than two years, so maybe a long-term deal with an opt-out after two years. If everything goes according to plan, he can tell the Blue Jays goodbye -- in Japanese, of course -- and sign a megadeal with another big-market club.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

That’s kind of what I’m thinking too.

1 year for $55m with a player option for year 2?

To me this is the only way signing in Toronto makes sense. He signs for 2 years. He plays next year as DH then 2025 he proves that he's healthy as a pitcher and then hits the market again.

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

That’s kind of what I’m thinking too.

1 year for $55m with a player option for year 2?

Possibly, I really hate that a random facebook post is starting to make sense lol. Personally I want to see both Ohtani and Yamamoto on the Dodgers, but the Jays are starting to make sense for both of them. I wonder if Ohtani's contract will require the Rogers Centre dome to be closed lol

[Hollywood42]

Shohei has absolutely zero need to sign a 1-2 year deal and hit free agency again. Even with the questions about his arm recovery, he's easily able to sign the biggest contract in MLB history, and it won't be particularly close

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rms13

To me this is the only way signing in Toronto makes sense. He signs for 2 years. He plays next year as DH then 2025 he proves that he's healthy as a pitcher and then hits the market again.

Now, if you're a bag holder, the downside scenario is his power is diminished next season due to his elbow surgery and he isn't selected as an All Star. Then in year two he has a setback or struggles while trying to pitch again.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Rage

Just sold one to....a buyer from Canada! 👀

Maybe sho can single handedly crash the YG market lol

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Shohei has absolutely zero need to sign a 1-2 year deal and hit free agency again. Even with the questions about his arm recovery, he's easily able to sign the biggest contract in MLB history, and it won't be particularly close

Ohtani wants to win and he's leaving a team that had 2 albatross contracts which (partially) destroyed their opportunity to compete.

I think his experience on the Angels is going to cause him to take a short deal so he has the opportunity to leave a team on his own terms. I'd be shocked if he signed a deal for more than 5 years.

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Now, if you're a bag holder, the downside scenario is his power is diminished next season due to his elbow surgery and he isn't selected as an All Star. Then in year two he has a setback or struggles while trying to pitch again.

Ohtani could hit zero home runs before the all star break in Canada and he'd still be the leading vote getter.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Maybe sho can single handedly crash the YG market lol

Upper Deck doesn’t need the competition in crashing their own products.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

Ohtani wants to win and he's leaving a team that had 2 albatross contracts which (partially) destroyed their opportunity to compete.

I think his experience on the Angels is going to cause him to take a short deal so he has the opportunity to leave a team on his own terms. I'd be shocked if he signed a deal for more than 5 years.

Anthony Rendon singlehandedly destroyed the entire franchise

[Rage]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Anthony Rendon singlehandedly destroyed the entire franchise

You misspelled Arte Moreno

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Anthony Rendon singlehandedly destroyed the entire franchise

I was referencing Pujols/Trout, I completely forgot about Tony lmao. Back out to 2 decades and I could also be referring to Gary Matthews Jr/Vernon Wells/CJ Wilson/Josh Hamilton/Justin Upton, being an Angels fan sure is fun!

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Triple B

The hobby isn’t going to care where he plays if he’s playing well and the team is doing well. He played in Anaheim for the last few years with Mike Trout beside him and his hobby status did just fine. Hell play in Toronto with a team much better than the Angels, he’ll have Canada behind him, he’ll have Japan watching and he’ll have all of the fans in the US still cheering him on.

You might not be happy about it but I doubt Ohtani’s hobby status suffers because you have the sadsies. As much as I’d love to see BBases lose more money on his pandemic investments, I doubt he will.

I’ll say it again since you apparently missed it.

The expectation from the hobby was that he was going to LA. Going to Toronto instead of LA is a hobby negative. He’s got less of a chance of winning, and he has to turn in greater performance since he will lack the LA market bump.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by JRX

He's not worth 55m a year while rehabbing.

I agree. I just wonder if teams are being logical and rational right now.

[Rage]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Now, if you're a bag holder, the downside scenario is his power is diminished next season due to his elbow surgery and he isn't selected as an All Star. Then in year two he has a setback or struggles while trying to pitch again.

And then in year 3,4,5 wins another 2x MVP

We've held through it before. 2019-2020 Actually was a great time to pick up his cards if you believed in his ability to recover.