Dealers

[rnocards]

Hi,

Do you use third party dealers when submitting bulk value to PSA? Or, do you handle all the submissions to PSA directly?

So far, I've submitted a few items directly to PSA, but I've also used a couple of third party dealers. I have a lot of cards to grade, so I'm trying to figure out which is the best situation for me.

Have you had any significant benefit to having a third party submit on your behalf, versus doing it yourself?

Not just PSA, but the other graders too.

[cjstark72]

I submit through a third party dealer in California that hand delivers the cards and picks them up from PSA. The turnaround time is much less time than submitting them myself to PSA since the cards are hand delivered. My value submission was dropped off at PSA on October 5 and just entered assembly today.

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[RufussCkingston]

Generally 3rd party submitting was for when you didn't have enough cards to fill the bulk minimum (they were 50/100 cards before the shutdown!), or for those that just found submitting too complicated. If you've already done direct submissions, there is no reason that you wouldn't do your own direct bulk subs unless you are super cheap and don't want to pay to join the collectors club, or the 3rd party submitter has a better price.....

[rnocards]

Originally Posted by cjstark72

I submit through a third party dealer in California that hand delivers the cards and picks them up from PSA. The turnaround time is much less time than submitting them myself to PSA since the cards are hand delivered. My value submission was dropped off at PSA on October 5 and just entered assembly today.

Which dealer in CA? Is it "Market 2 Mint" ?

Market 2 Mint uses a Kiosk in a card shop, and they have a few locations. A customer can either buy raw cards from the shop, or bring their own cards, and then just submit them via the Kiosk.

[cjstark72]

I use Level Up Subs in Simi Valley.

www.levelupsubs.com

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[rnocards]

Originally Posted by RufussCkingston

Generally 3rd party submitting was for when you didn't have enough cards to fill the bulk minimum (they were 50/100 cards before the shutdown!), or for those that just found submitting too complicated. If you've already done direct submissions, there is no reason that you wouldn't do your own direct bulk subs unless you are super cheap and don't want to pay to join the collectors club, or the 3rd party submitter has a better price.....

I'm thinking of doing the Collector's Club, and just doing my own direct bulk submissions, because I feel like there is no significant benefit to having the third party do it for me.

But, I do like to experience different services, on a trial basis, just to see how things are done. Like a few weeks ago, I submitted to PSA through COMC, and now I'm just looking for various local submitters to try out.

[rnocards]

Originally Posted by cjstark72

I use Level Up Subs in Simi Valley.

www.levelupsubs.com

Cool, what's their rate per card?

[cjstark72]

Value is $19 per card. I've used them several times with no problems.

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[rnocards]

Originally Posted by cjstark72

Value is $19 per card. I've used them several times with no problems.

That's actually pretty good.

Market 2 Mint value submission is like $24 per card, but they will clean the card, take high-resolution scans, use new penny sleeves, new card savers, and they have live tracking through PSA on their site.

But, your $19 per card is a better deal, I think.

[Y2Hood]

I use pcsports for my PSA stuff. I don't do enough volume in PSA for my PC to warrant a membership. I liked what I saw here and other places on the internet when pcsports was mentioned, reviewed, or critiqued.

SGC has advantages to subbing directly sometimes but other times I use a different middle man. It's circumstantial.

I maintain a membership with CSG/CGC so I handle things earmarked for them on my own. In order to hit the # for bulk, only 25, I will recruit friends in my area to join in.

BGS hosts several of my PCs. When I have a good batch of sales, I'll sub directly to get third tier pricing. Otherwise, I'll just send 4-5 cards to pcsports and another bulk group every few weeks or so, just to stagger pop dates. Some subs I do PC, other times it's show stuff, and infrequently there'll be investment pieces. I don't do a lot of spec grading but when I do, it's the bulk groups and I can forget about it for x months.

[KGD54]

I have had a collectors club membership with PSA in the past. I graded the majority of what I wanted before it ran out. Since then i have done a few smaller submissions with Nash Cards. Their rates are the same as PSA's rates and the shipping is cheaper than PSA. You do end up having to wait a couple extra weeks as Nash Cards holds your cards a couple days before they send them to psa and again on the return, they process your cards before sending them back to you. The cards I am submitting with this are all bulk value and I am not in a rush for any of it. This is just me being as cheap as possible. So far all my transactions with Nash Cards have been smooth.

[rnocards]

One concern I have about third party submitters is the potential for cheating. Like the potential of some dealers to replace your card with an inferior copy, and then have that one submitted instead of yours. Or the potential to damage your card, and not tell you about it.

The more hands touching the card, the greater the potentiality of something like this happening.

Has anyone here had a situation where you submitted to one of these third parties, and you ended up with a bad outcome?

[PSA2Pac]

Outside of cheaper rates I still don’t quite understand the appeal of sending to a middle man.

It’s not hard to submit directly, I definitely prefer knowing when it gets to PSA and watch it move through the system vs having to deal indirectly and have another pit stop going in and coming from

But maybe there’s more than cheaper rates that make it appealing

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

I sub through NashCards.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

Outside of cheaper rates I still don’t quite understand the appeal of sending to a middle man.

It’s not hard to submit directly, I definitely prefer knowing when it gets to PSA and watch it move through the system vs having to deal indirectly and have another pit stop going in and coming from

But maybe there’s more than cheaper rates that make it appealing

There are savings in shipping costs no matter what.

If you don’t have 20 cards and don’t want a membership group subs are great.

We offer a consignment option so if you are planning on selling the cards we can do that for you so you don’t have to take money out of your pocket for the submission.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

There are savings in shipping costs no matter what.



If you don’t have 20 cards and don’t want a membership group subs are great.



We offer a consignment option so if you are planning on selling the cards we can do that for you so you don’t have to take money out of your pocket for the submission.

This. And Jewcer helps if there's ever an issue and can navigate that stuff better than a grading newb like me.

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[mogwai316]

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

Outside of cheaper rates I still don’t quite understand the appeal of sending to a middle man.

It’s not hard to submit directly, I definitely prefer knowing when it gets to PSA and watch it move through the system vs having to deal indirectly and have another pit stop going in and coming from

But maybe there’s more than cheaper rates that make it appealing

I don't understand why anyone would do this. Especially after reading some of the scam/thief threads on here. There's no way they can make it that much cheaper that it's worth accepting the risk of giving someone else your cards. And from what I've seen you barely even save any money at all. Blows my mind that people willingly do this with their expensive cards.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by mogwai316

I don't understand why anyone would do this. Especially after reading some of the scam/thief threads on here. There's no way they can make it that much cheaper that it's worth accepting the risk of giving someone else your cards. And from what I've seen you barely even save any money at all. Blows my mind that people willingly do this with their expensive cards.

Even with the reputable companies that do it, I don't think I could trust their employees. The people involved in the hobby have been taking massive losses, and the majority of people that work for these card shops are involved in the hobby personally. The absolute majority of the people that work for these reputable companies are honest, but I don't trust the small percentage that aren't. There are people that are desperate in this hobby right now with losses and also with the gambling aspect, there are many scammers everywhere. Swapping out cards before grading or switching 8's for 10's in the same order is something that would worry me. Heck, PSA switches the order of the same card if I submit 10 of them in my own orders.

[anusinha]

Jewcer is legit, I wouldnt worry about him. Now if you are subbing with a guy named sneakrcards420.eth that started up in 2021, Id be worried.

[bub838]

I think it depends on the person. If you’re only subbing a card here and there then I guess I could see using a third party.

However, as noted above I want fewer people touching my cards so I direct sub. I actually like the process of putting a sub together, too. For reference I subbed around 200 cards this year.

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by bub838

I think it depends on the person. If you’re only subbing a card here and there then I guess I could see using a third party.

However, as noted above I want fewer people touching my cards so I direct sub. I actually like the process of putting a sub together, too. For reference I subbed around 200 cards this year.

A card here or there seems like the worst time to use a third party submitter.

The savings on 1 card would be minimal, I’d rather just sub myself (and I do, even when I have more than 1 card)

Jewcer pointed out shipping costs and that’s a plus I hadn’t really thought about. The consignment portion would actually sell me on using them if I was looking to sell immediately after, if the volume I was selling made sense

[oddstuff]

Don't know if size of order matters. If you don't need your cards consigned/sold for you, having a small order sent to 3rd party submitter may get your couple of cards batched together into a larger 100 or 200 card order. Anything wrong with the other cards in the order that your small order is sent together with, the entire order gets delayed.

[RufussCkingston]

In the day where the price difference between submitting a few cards vs bulk level was quite drastic, it made a lot of sense to use a 3rd party submitter. Especially when there was the Modern (most recent 3 years) tier, the 1973 and later band, and the 1972 and before band. If you didn't have enough cards to go bulk in any particular band, then you would go 3rd party who would get you the bulk rate by matching them up with other peeps cards. Now that it's just a $6 difference between bulk and non-bulk ($10 for TCG $199dv), it's isn't a huge saver as it was before, but for those who aren't going to grade 20 cards (the membership break-even for non-tcg), it can make some sense, just not a huge savings sense compared to the old pre-covid shutdown days.

[pykie]

Hoping for some left field suggestions for the below that might be able to help:

1. Need a bulk submission service that will receive subs by mail.
2. Offers wipe down and cleaning prior to sub.
3. Offers bad card grading assessments (will pull cards from subs below say a PSA 8)
4. Might even be able to crack slabs on request with a no liability agreement.

Now, people might ask why don't I just do this myself, well I'm an international collector and import duties etc are now becoming harder and harder, packages are regularly being seized these days, so it's easier to keep cards in bulk with re-shippers in the USA which means I need to rely on somebody else to handle them and submit them.

Anyone deal with anyone (or anyone on here who might be able to provider this service)?

[RufussCkingston]

Originally Posted by pykie

Hoping for some left field suggestions for the below that might be able to help:

1. Need a bulk submission service that will receive subs by mail.
2. Offers wipe down and cleaning prior to sub.
3. Offers bad card grading assessments (will pull cards from subs below say a PSA 8)
4. Might even be able to crack slabs on request with a no liability agreement.

Now, people might ask why don't I just do this myself, well I'm an international collector and import duties etc are now becoming harder and harder, packages are regularly being seized these days, so it's easier to keep cards in bulk with re-shippers in the USA which means I need to rely on somebody else to handle them and submit them.

Anyone deal with anyone (or anyone on here who might be able to provider this service)?

I understand 1., but why do you need someone else to do 2-4?