Who peaked higher in terms of hobby popularity? Mattingly or Canseco? - Page 5

Skipscards · 11-08-2023, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by larry25

Wow, you are really talking out of your butt! First, the 1939 Play Ball was not Joe D's rookie card, and it still isn't. Second, the whole point here is that THE ROOKIE CARD **CRAZE** DID NOT REALLY START UNTIL THE MID 1980s, and it was started by one Donnie Baseball.

But back to the butt talk... there is no way are old enough to remember opening packs of 1939 Play Ball hoping for a Joe D "rookie card." That is some seriously steaming BS right there.

Yes, people knew what rookie cards were before 1985, but the factual, historical, real-reality truth of the matter is that they did not put very much of a premium on them over other years, not until Donnie Baseball changed that.

If you are going to claim otherwise and claim you are some 100 year old hobby veteran, then sure, tell us more about the good old days of chasing rookie cards before the rest of us caught on in the 1980s, please. Puh-lease!

It wasn't until the later 1980s that Nolan Ryan's rookie card became a hobby phenomenon any time one showed up at a card show. And it wasn't until that same time that Canseco's RR caught fire as well.

My guess is you, along with most posters here, did not actually live and collect through that period. You are just rewriting history out of some weird sense of ego and keyboard warrior-ness.

But rock on with your badass, butt-talking self, Skip. The kids on here might just believe you.

Archangel1775 · 11-08-2023, 01:50 AM

The way I see it is, 1939 Playball is apparently the set with the "RC" logo and everything prior was either a Prospect, Panini, or 2021 Bowman's Best.

cardsin47 · 11-08-2023, 02:40 AM

I didn’t think when it 1st launched, that this Thread would be a ‘can’t wait to see what happens next!’ ~ but it is

Archangel1775 · 11-08-2023, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cardsin47

I didn’t think when it 1st launched, that this Thread would be a ‘can’t wait to see what happens next!’ ~ but it is

Don Mattingly is a candidate for the Brewers vacant head coaching job and Jose Canseco is hosting a charity event.

jkampis · 11-08-2023, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by larry25

Wow, you are really talking out of your butt! First, the 1939 Play Ball was not Joe D's rookie card, and it still isn't. Second, the whole point here is that THE ROOKIE CARD **CRAZE** DID NOT REALLY START UNTIL THE MID 1980s, and it was started by one Donnie Baseball.

But back to the butt talk... there is no way are old enough to remember opening packs of 1939 Play Ball hoping for a Joe D "rookie card." That is some seriously steaming BS right there.

Yes, people knew what rookie cards were before 1985, but the factual, historical, real-reality truth of the matter is that they did not put very much of a premium on them over other years, not until Donnie Baseball changed that.

If you are going to claim otherwise and claim you are some 100 year old hobby veteran, then sure, tell us more about the good old days of chasing rookie cards before the rest of us caught on in the 1980s, please. Puh-lease!

It wasn't until the later 1980s that Nolan Ryan's rookie card became a hobby phenomenon any time one showed up at a card show. And it wasn't until that same time that Canseco's RR caught fire as well.

My guess is you, along with most posters here, did not actually live and collect through that period. You are just rewriting history out of some weird sense of ego and keyboard warrior-ness.

But rock on with your badass, butt-talking self, Skip. The kids on here might just believe you.

fulltritty · 11-08-2023, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Don Mattingly is a candidate for the Brewers vacant head coaching job and Jose Canseco is hosting a charity event.

I so wish the Yankees would dump Boone and hire Mattingly as the manager.

jhssketchcards · 11-08-2023, 07:38 AM

As far as I can remember I would equate things like this:
Mattingly was like (and I strongly emphasize like) Mike Trout was for the past 5-6 years as the Hobby icon for baseball (that’s shifted a bit of. Purse).
Canseco was the first hyped rookie that I can remember (maybe Bo) that affected the hobby nationally (Think Acuna, Soto, Tatis and more).
Mattingly s 1984 Donruss and Canseco’s 1986 RR were two of the most sought after cards for a good while. I can remember seeing the page in Beckett with hot cards, and those two were always near or at the top.

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dantheman514 · 11-08-2023, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fulltritty

I so wish the Yankees would dump Boone and hire Mattingly as the manager.

This would make me so very happy as well!

mmier118 · 11-08-2023, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by larry25

Sorry, but I need proof to believe anything you say about 1970s rookie card pricing, especially after claiming this about the Doc Gooden. That was never true, not in 1984 or 1985, not even in 1986 after he won the World Series. Maybe in 1989 or 1990?

The 1984 fleer gooden for sure went over $100 rather early. In 1985 I paid $90.00 for the full update set, it was impossible to find and I was happy to pay that even though it was a small fortune at the time. By 1986 or for sure 1987 the Gooden was over $100 and was my most valuable card. I think around 1988 I sold the Puckett and the Gooden out of that set for $550 and they were going for $300 or so each which I believe was around the time the twins won the World Series.

P.S. I just saw it was Rats you were questioning, I’m not super active on the boards but I recognize that name as someone who is very knowledgeable about cards and would believe what he says. If it’s not perfectly accurate it’s just because it’s hard to remember perfectly events from 40 years ago lol.

rats60 · 11-08-2023, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

Every word he has posted in this thread is wrong.

larry25 · 11-08-2023, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Every word he has posted in this thread is wrong.

Because I am sure you were alive and collecting during the 1970s and 1980s, too! SMH. Skipscards is probably 34 years old, living in his parents basements, and selling DVDs and video games on eBay from his "collection." Do you guys even collect!? Or is this your hobby? Pounding plastic and pretending to be right all the time!?

PuddleMonkey · 11-09-2023, 12:38 AM

How old are you, Larry?

MoreToppsPlease · 11-09-2023, 01:15 AM

“people knew what rookie cards were before 1985, but the factual, historical, real-reality truth of the matter is that they did not put very much of a premium on them over other years, not until Donnie Baseball changed that.”

Were 60s RCs getting real premiums in the early ‘80s? Was Brett or Schmidt or Henderson? No. Obviously Ryan wasn’t and he’d already been playing a dozen years.

If Larry means that Mattingly prices were pimped and propped up by a small investor class in order to garner the same kinds of premiums 50s RCs were getting he’s right.

cardsin47 · 11-09-2023, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by larry25

Pounding plastic and pretending to be right all the time!?

What is “pounding plastic” ?

oplum29 · 11-09-2023, 01:23 AM

Jose Canseco is a pop icon.

he's a legend. Mattingly was a legend in his own right too, but he's no Wade Boggs, who once drank 64 beers on a cross-country flight to Seattle, and then went 3 for 5 the next day.

Skipscards · 11-09-2023, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by larry25

Because I am sure you were alive and collecting during the 1970s and 1980s, too! SMH. Skipscards is probably 34 years old, living in his parents basements, and selling DVDs and video games on eBay from his "collection." Do you guys even collect!? Or is this your hobby? Pounding plastic and pretending to be right all the time!?

Actually, I’m 97 and I’ve been collecting a long time. My parents never had a basement and I don’t sell on eBay. I can speak for rats here and tell you that we both collect. It has been my hobby for the better part of the last 9 decades. I don’t get the pounding plastic reference. Is that a Taylor Swift song reference or something? Sorry I am not hip to what you kids are listening to these days. I do still know how to cut the rug however. Oh, and I do appreciate the compliment thinking I’m 34.

OhioLawyerF5 · 11-09-2023, 08:46 AM

Rats went to nursery school with Nap Lajoie. Larry doesn't know who he's talking to.

oldgoldy97 · 11-09-2023, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Rats went to nursery school with Nap Lajoie. Larry doesn't know who he's talking to.

He drove Nap to school.

larry25 · 11-09-2023, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

How old are you, Larry?

Older than I think 90% of people on here, but apparently not older than Skip!

larry25 · 11-09-2023, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Rats went to nursery school with Nap Lajoie. Larry doesn't know who he's talking to.

Someone was actually thoughtful enough to DM and say that Rats really knows his stuff, but Skip has a bunch of books and computer games and a $1,500 box of Wheaties on his eBay account and says he doesn't sell on eBay, plus a couple of Disco Prizms or something on COMC. I keep refreshing, waiting for a $25 Hank Aaron rookie!

cardsin47 · 11-09-2023, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by larry25

Someone was actually thoughtful enough to DM and say that Rats really knows his stuff

He does - especially with regards to Vintage. He is well respected here ( at least my me - can’t really speak for others

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Skipscards · 11-09-2023, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by larry25

Someone was actually thoughtful enough to DM and say that Rats really knows his stuff, but Skip has a bunch of books and computer games and a $1,500 box of Wheaties on his eBay account and says he doesn't sell on eBay, plus a couple of Disco Prizms or something on COMC. I keep refreshing, waiting for a $25 Hank Aaron rookie!

That's not my COMC account. I found out last week that someone was selling on COMC using my handle and figured I'd help them out for a few days. I don't use COMC.

And that's not my eBay account, it's my wife's. I sell here and on MySlabs. My eBay account is Skipscards, but thanks for doing some research. You are a regular Charles Winstead.

In your haste, you forgot my AOL Instant Messenger ID. Make sure to message me there.

asujbl · 11-09-2023, 12:50 PM

This poll is stupid

It’s obvious

whoshotjr · 11-09-2023, 01:49 PM

Looked at my Feb 85 Beckett

52 Mantle - $2000
54 Aaron - $180
63 Rose - $325
65 Carlton - $105
67 Carew - $80
67 Seaver - $100
68 Ryan - $38 (Johnny Bench same price)
69 Jackson - $80
73 Schmidt - $75
75 Brett/Yount - ~20 each
77 Murphy - $27
80 Rickey - $6.50
82 Ripken - $6
83 Sandberg - $4
84 Mattingly - $4 (Topps, was above Donruss then)
84 Strawberry - $3 (Topps, was above Donruss then)
84T Gooden - $5.50

And funny how pitchers were valued back then.

80 Stieb - 3.50, 80 Quisenberry - 2.75, 80 Sutcliffe - 3.25, 80 Petry - 2.25

OhioLawyerF5 · 11-09-2023, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by whoshotjr

Looked at my Feb 85 Beckett

52 Mantle - $2000
54 Aaron - $180
63 Rose - $325
65 Carlton - $105
67 Carew - $80
67 Seaver - $100
68 Ryan - $38 (Johnny Bench same price)
69 Jackson - $80
73 Schmidt - $75
75 Brett/Yount - ~20 each
77 Murphy - $27
80 Rickey - $6.50
82 Ripken - $6
83 Sandberg - $4
84 Mattingly - $4 (Topps, was above Donruss then)
84 Strawberry - $3 (Topps, was above Donruss then)
84T Gooden - $5.50

And funny how pitchers were valued back then.

80 Stieb - 3.50, 80 Quisenberry - 2.75, 80 Sutcliffe - 3.25, 80 Petry - 2.25

Now post the 2nd year cards of those guys to show how the rookie card premium existed before the Mattingly craze.

View Poll Results: Who peaked higher?
Mattingly	45	23.32%
Canseco	129	66.84%
Too close to call	11	5.70%
I was too young so can't comment	8	4.15%
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11-08-2023, 01:50 AM	#102
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,730	The way I see it is, 1939 Playball is apparently the set with the "RC" logo and everything prior was either a Prospect, Panini, or 2021 Bowman's Best. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

11-08-2023, 02:40 AM	#103
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11-09-2023, 01:15 AM	#113
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	“people knew what rookie cards were before 1985, but the factual, historical, real-reality truth of the matter is that they did not put very much of a premium on them over other years, not until Donnie Baseball changed that.” Were 60s RCs getting real premiums in the early ‘80s? Was Brett or Schmidt or Henderson? No. Obviously Ryan wasn’t and he’d already been playing a dozen years. If Larry means that Mattingly prices were pimped and propped up by a small investor class in order to garner the same kinds of premiums 50s RCs were getting he’s right. __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

11-09-2023, 01:23 AM	#115
oplum29 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 10,405	Jose Canseco is a pop icon. he's a legend. Mattingly was a legend in his own right too, but he's no Wade Boggs, who once drank 64 beers on a cross-country flight to Seattle, and then went 3 for 5 the next day. __________________ "got em, got em, need em, got em, got em, need em, got em" - Little Monsters

11-08-2023, 07:38 AM	#107
jhssketchcards Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 11,334 jhssketchcards2012	As far as I can remember I would equate things like this: Mattingly was like (and I strongly emphasize like) Mike Trout was for the past 5-6 years as the Hobby icon for baseball (that’s shifted a bit of. Purse). Canseco was the first hyped rookie that I can remember (maybe Bo) that affected the hobby nationally (Think Acuna, Soto, Tatis and more). Mattingly s 1984 Donruss and Canseco’s 1986 RR were two of the most sought after cards for a good while. I can remember seeing the page in Beckett with hot cards, and those two were always near or at the top. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-09-2023, 12:38 AM	#112
PuddleMonkey Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,835	How old are you, Larry?

11-09-2023, 08:46 AM	#117
OhioLawyerF5 Member Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 6,859	Rats went to nursery school with Nap Lajoie. Larry doesn't know who he's talking to.

11-09-2023, 12:50 PM	#123
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 62,269 ohiosundevils	This poll is stupid It’s obvious __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

11-09-2023, 01:49 PM	#124
whoshotjr Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Midwest Posts: 753	Looked at my Feb 85 Beckett 52 Mantle - $2000 54 Aaron - $180 63 Rose - $325 65 Carlton - $105 67 Carew - $80 67 Seaver - $100 68 Ryan - $38 (Johnny Bench same price) 69 Jackson - $80 73 Schmidt - $75 75 Brett/Yount - ~20 each 77 Murphy - $27 80 Rickey - $6.50 82 Ripken - $6 83 Sandberg - $4 84 Mattingly - $4 (Topps, was above Donruss then) 84 Strawberry - $3 (Topps, was above Donruss then) 84T Gooden - $5.50 And funny how pitchers were valued back then. 80 Stieb - 3.50, 80 Quisenberry - 2.75, 80 Sutcliffe - 3.25, 80 Petry - 2.25 Last edited by whoshotjr; 11-09-2023 at 01:55 PM.