Rolling 2023 Bowman Chrome Autograph Checklist Thread

[TXRunner]

Has anyone seen any of the All American Game cards pulled?

[scotchtape0]

I pulled these out of the same box. Unfortunately that box won't make up for the other 7 boxes that were average to well below average.

Yellow Orange Vapor Wave Refractor /75



Refractor /499

[fidrych]

My apologies if this has been covered in the thread ( I did read most of it)

Reds SS prospect (Arroyo)?

What does he have in regards to this product? thanks

[marterburn]

Originally Posted by fidrych

My apologies if this has been covered in the thread ( I did read most of it)



Reds SS prospect (Arroyo)?



What does he have in regards to this product? thanks

Edwin Arroyo is not in this product.

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[Osfan81]

I've been watching 5 case player breaks. Basallo, probably #2 or 3 in this product goes for a minimum of $800 in this. His base autos go for $225 right now (will probably be $100 in a year). He has no base cards. Refractor autos go for $300. The prospect checklist is 132 autos, not including the other autos. Most hobby cases have been running between 17 and 20 base autos. With the collation the way it's been, you're likely to be shut out or at most, a base auto. That's mostly, a $500 loss and a likely $700 loss. This is no longer gambling. With the checklist, it's now just handing money over to breakers and then Fanatics. These boxes, based on the checklist, are priced $150 too high. I hope that Fanatics hasn't sold all of this yet, because it'd be sad if the Breakers and shops had to take all of the hit on this. They don't have the billions that fanatics has stored up to throw this product in the trashcan. Ever since Fanatics took over, it's been screwing everybody left and right. From last year's Topps Chrome fiasco to this year's Bowman chrome checklist and prices...The only 10X they're doing in the hobby is in their prices.

[zakcollects]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Ever since Fanatics took over, it's been screwing everybody left and right. From last year's Topps Chrome fiasco to this year's Bowman chrome checklist and prices...The only 10X they're doing in the hobby is in their prices.

Its going to be very transparent moving forward with Fanatics having to increase the ROI on their purchase year over year and keep share prices going up for their stakeholders. Bowman Chrome is the most egregious example to date -- they purposefully added more low end to the product on a higher print run and increased the price. This means worse gambling odds with a higher entry in an attempt to get more dice rolls.

The problem for them now is it's too obvious this isn't worth it for the consumer.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

I've been watching 5 case player breaks. Basallo, probably #2 or 3 in this product goes for a minimum of $800 in this. His base autos go for $225 right now (will probably be $100 in a year). He has no base cards. Refractor autos go for $300. The prospect checklist is 132 autos, not including the other autos. Most hobby cases have been running between 17 and 20 base autos. With the collation the way it's been, you're likely to be shut out or at most, a base auto. That's mostly, a $500 loss and a likely $700 loss. This is no longer gambling. With the checklist, it's now just handing money over to breakers and then Fanatics. These boxes, based on the checklist, are priced $150 too high. I hope that Fanatics hasn't sold all of this yet, because it'd be sad if the Breakers and shops had to take all of the hit on this. They don't have the billions that fanatics has stored up to throw this product in the trashcan. Ever since Fanatics took over, it's been screwing everybody left and right. From last year's Topps Chrome fiasco to this year's Bowman chrome checklist and prices...The only 10X they're doing in the hobby is in their prices.

Who DISREGARDS simple math and odds and pays the higher prices?

Who MUST have product opened for them immediately?

Who continues to TRY AGAIN and AGAIN to make money just once on a break?

It’s not fanatics, it’s degenerate gambler.

DON’T BE A DEGENERATE GAMBLER.

Bring the baseball card hobby and control back to you. Prices will improve for everybody.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

I have no idea on value of these guys. Anyone want to give me a guess on Andy Perez Gold auto that I pulled? Cannot find anything to gauge on ebay. Thanks in advance

[Grave252]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

I have no idea on value of these guys. Anyone want to give me a guess on Andy Perez Gold auto that I pulled? Cannot find anything to gauge on ebay. Thanks in advance

List now and be the first one. Low end prospect for a smaller market team known for poor prospect development. Might be $75.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

I have no idea on value of these guys. Anyone want to give me a guess on Andy Perez Gold auto that I pulled? Cannot find anything to gauge on ebay. Thanks in advance

Initially, probably around $100-$150, then will settle down to about $60-$100 for the original gold.

[crpav]

Still seeing breaks struggling.

[Cowboy85]

Pulled this from one hobby box yesterday at the Blowout physical store. Sold already. Not going to press my luck by attempting to open anymore.


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[TXRunner]

Originally Posted by crpav

Still seeing breaks struggling.

Same. The Loupe app is so boring right now. Everyone trying to offload their Bowman Chrome and no takers. All the streams are pictures of boxes just sitting around and no ripping. One of the stores decided to auction off the spots in a break last night to just get it filled so they could open.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by crpav

Still seeing breaks struggling.

That’s a great sign!

Still, one major breaker has gone through 20 cases in the first 24 hours of release. No breaker is losing money, yet.

Hold strong, box prices will drop soon enough.

[Osfan81]

Arggghhh...somehow these prices keep going up. Steelcity now has hobby boxes at $350. It's pretty clear Fanatics is making this artificially scarce. They "sold out" in a day at $289. Steelcity raising the prices is the most ridiculous thing when prices should be going down based on the garbage that this product is and as slow as breakers are in filling this. I wish people would stop buying this. It's the only way Fanatics will get the message.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Arggghhh...somehow these prices keep going up. Steelcity now has hobby boxes at $350. It's pretty clear Fanatics is making this artificially scarce. They "sold out" in a day at $289. Steelcity raising the prices is the most ridiculous thing when prices should be going down based on the garbage that this product is and as slow as breakers are in filling this. I wish people would stop buying this. It's the only way Fanatics will get the message.

Again, they are going after the FOMO guys and box flipper bois to generate sales. Once breakers run out of their initial allocation, they are setting prices for breakers on their re-buy.

We as hobbyists need to wait about two months to see if prices drop to a more reasonable level. It’s a game of chicken with the retailers and fanatics.

Do you REALLY NEED them?

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Again, they are going after the FOMO guys and box flipper bois to generate sales. Once breakers run out of their initial allocation, they are setting prices for breakers on their re-buy.

We as hobbyists need to wait about two months to see if prices drop to a more reasonable level. It’s a game of chicken with the retailers and fanatics.

Do you REALLY NEED them?

Oh no doubt. For $275 on eBay, you can get 2019 bowman chrome hobby box. That has Jrod and only 68 prospect autos. For twice the chance of getting Salas and $75 cheaper...with a much higher long term value on JRod. I'm done with Chrome for this year. Based on the checklist, the prices of the hobby boxes should be $175 at best, not $325-350.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Arggghhh...somehow these prices keep going up. Steelcity now has hobby boxes at $350. It's pretty clear Fanatics is making this artificially scarce. They "sold out" in a day at $289. Steelcity raising the prices is the most ridiculous thing when prices should be going down based on the garbage that this product is and as slow as breakers are in filling this. I wish people would stop buying this. It's the only way Fanatics will get the message.

Steel City hasn't even shipped paid in full pre-orders yet, atleast not mine. Latest in the game for sure.

[RainCityShecks]

My one and only box. Salas and Corbin came toward the end of minibox 2 so was pretty demoralized by that point. Ripping this year has taken a toll - this was by far my best break. Heading over to eBay for some Felnin autos.




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[RainCityShecks]

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[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by RainCityShecks

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Originally Posted by scotchtape0

I pulled these out of the same box. Unfortunately that box won't make up for the other 7 boxes that were average to well below average.

Yellow Orange Vapor Wave Refractor /75



Refractor /499

7 boxes and that's it? The /75 is sweet. Did you have very specific prospects you were looking for? Just curious seems like 7 boxes should yield something more than those two cards. You happen to get any non base Felnin's you want to move?

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by Cowboy85

Pulled this from one hobby box yesterday at the Blowout physical store. Sold already. Not going to press my luck by attempting to open anymore.

Wow, congrats!

I can't believe these go for that much.

What autos did you pull in this box?

[zakcollects]

Canadian Dollars, but I can't imagine this has this kind of value

[scotchtape0]

Originally Posted by RainCityShecks

7 boxes and that's it? The /75 is sweet. Did you have very specific prospects you were looking for? Just curious seems like 7 boxes should yield something more than those two cards. You happen to get any non base Felnin's you want to move?

I got some other nice cards, but the Salas to /75 was by far the best pull (including the autos). I wasn't looking for anything specific, but I try to just stick to keeping autos and selling base and non-auto parallels.

Not only did I not get any non-base Felnins in 8 hobby boxes (plus 2 HTAs), I didn't get a single base Felnin either! Not a single base or parallel Walcott either.

Best autos were a Brailer Guerrero Orange Wave /25, a base Alfredo Duno and a base Joendry Vargas.

[Cowboy85]

Originally Posted by Chrominator

Wow, congrats!

I can't believe these go for that much.

What autos did you pull in this box?

Yea it's pretty wild for sure.

Hayden Dunhurst non-first base auto and Ronald Hernandez speckle /299 1st bowman were the autos.

Box also had an orange AFL Jackson Merrill non-auto /25.