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Old 07-27-2023, 06:47 PM   #19001
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What cards did you send in?
An assortment, 95% NBA. Some late 90's, mostly 2000's/2010's. Like random Kobe, Lebron serial numbered parallels from 2000's products, star refractors Dirk from 2000's, Kobe rookies, Steph Curry 2010's inserts/base, etc. This was not an order filled with 90's condition sensitive inserts; only a few were condition sensitive without hindsight.

I got hit on thicker cards too. Like a Jackie Robinson game used card graded 6 (that looked 8/9 to me), another Robinson game used I thought was sure 9/10 got an "8", exquisite autos graded 7 (these 2 looked mint to me), graded several Panini Innovation 2012/2013 and got crushed with 7's and 8's. They're thicker cards but again, I looked over them. Don't know what grader was seeing since edges/corner looked good. I must have got hurt on surface on some. Cards I thought were sure 9's got 8's. All cards I thought were "8's or 9's" got 8's or lower. Luck of the draw. Gonna be more selective next time, totally NOT grade thicker cards no matter how good they look, and will separate orders.
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Old 07-27-2023, 07:26 PM   #19002
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Grades popped from 90's special, delivered to PSA 6-14 ... 130 cards total and unfortunately I got a strict grader ... Looked over them all pretty closely, turned away a ton of cards to not risk getting 8's & below ... About half of the cards had a 50/50 shot at a 10 in my eyes (in other words 9 worst case), but my grades were ...

10's - 8 (cheaper cards too)
9's - 44
8's - 52
7's - 19
6's - 4
5's - 3

What's unfortunate is I graded 18 Kobe low-end rookies and got hammered on those for example. Was expecting roughly half 9's / half 8's as these were really sharp rookies - Fleer, Hoops, SP. Got only 4 9's, and several 5's/6's/7's. Just brutal. This has me rethinking my grading strategy. The market for PSA 8's & 9's (let alone lesser grades) just isn't there to justify $15/card. For example, most Kobe low-end rookies may sell for just $50 in PSA 9 (And $15 raw); just not worth it to send them in if graders are being super strict to even give away 9's. I may stop grading cards with values < $50 raw from now on ... For most of the other cards I sent in, 9's would be "break even" - 10 is profit, so really disappointed right now but what can you do. Not sure what I'll do with the 5's, 6's, and 7's I got ...

My last order last year of 80 cards had only 2 8's in the whole order & I think 30-40 10's. Guess I should have listened to those saying to split up the cards into multiple orders.
I'm sorry to hear this, man, but it seems really typical for 80s and 90s and early 2000s stuff. If you did your work, and it sounds like you did, then either you get a grader who will 9 and 10 almost everything, save for a few stray 8s to 6s. Or, you get a grader who thinks PSA 10 means PSA PRISTINE, and your results are mostly 6s to 8s with fewer 9s and hardly any 10s.

It's embarrassing and ridiculous and even outright fraudulent that their results can be so unreliable and inconsistent, both in terms of grading results and turnaround times. What a terrible, terrible company.

Rest assured, you are not alone in this experience. But please remember that better order and know that more of those are in your future, if you take the blows and stay resilient. Good luck, and try not to stab yourself cracking some of these out of their cases!
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Old 07-27-2023, 08:09 PM   #19003
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90s+ Sports Special
# of cards: 21

Order delivered:6/20/23
Order Prep: 7/7/23
Research & ID: 7/7/23
Grading: 7/11/23
Assembly: 7/21/23
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Old 07-27-2023, 08:58 PM   #19004
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My 42 card sub popped and I'm kinda in shock. Lots of 2022-2023 stuff getting 8's and 6's. I find it hard to believe I missed that many major flaws on the 6's. And I never knew PSA did half grades.

The 6's were..... 2022 Topps Chrome Update USC35 Bobby Witt Jr. , 2023 Bowman Sapphire Edition Chrome Prospects BCP25 Druw Jones, and a 2023 Topps 1988 Topps Baseball Relics 88RYA Yordan Alvarez Red. The Bobby Witt Jr appears to have a piece of lint below the bat so that will be a crack and resub for sure. The Druw Sapphire I'm guessing has a printing flaw such as scratches or roller marks I don't think finger prints would warrant a 6 usually it's a fairly obvious issue. The centering might be off a little L-R but not enough to warrant a 6. The Yordan relic I'm not sure because it looked really good to the eye.




Some pretty big cards at least to me gemed out at 10 so over all I'm really pleased.


6's - 3
8's - 4
8.5 - 1
9's - 12
10's - 22

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Old 07-27-2023, 09:53 PM   #19005
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It needs to arrive to PSA within 30 days of the order submission to them.

Just to note, it seems the last night of any special, PSA's web site gets slammed, and often the entries don't populate so you may want to finalize an order a day before the last day, just in case. Just what I do.
Thanks. I'll do that.
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Old 07-27-2023, 10:22 PM   #19006
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My 42 card sub popped and I'm kinda in shock. Lots of 2022-2023 stuff getting 8's and 6's. I find it hard to believe I missed that many major flaws on the 6's. And I never knew PSA did half grades.

The 6's were..... 2022 Topps Chrome Update USC35 Bobby Witt Jr. , 2023 Bowman Sapphire Edition Chrome Prospects BCP25 Druw Jones, and a 2023 Topps 1988 Topps Baseball Relics 88RYA Yordan Alvarez Red. The Bobby Witt Jr appears to have a piece of lint below the bat so that will be a crack and resub for sure. The Druw Sapphire I'm guessing has a printing flaw such as scratches or roller marks I don't think finger prints would warrant a 6 usually it's a fairly obvious issue. The centering might be off a little L-R but not enough to warrant a 6. The Yordan relic I'm not sure because it looked really good to the eye.




Some pretty big cards at least to me gemed out at 10 so over all I'm really pleased.


6's - 3
8's - 4
8.5 - 1
9's - 12
10's - 22
Absolutely absurd.
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Old 07-27-2023, 11:26 PM   #19007
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All these grading games by PSA is one reason I have switched my collecting to vintage. I used to spend hours and hours looking at cards under a light with a magnifying glass, just to get grades less than I thought the cards would get, even on the low estimation. At least with vintage, or at least how I collect, I am shooting for 3's, 4's, 5's. No need to scrutinize a card for five to ten minutes. Just send the card off. And of course, PSA is struggling in that world also, moving at a snails pace. Actually a snail may move faster than PSA vintage. I don't know of many companies where they keep kicking you in the junk and people keep coming back asking for more.
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Old 07-28-2023, 02:45 AM   #19008
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All these grading games by PSA is one reason I have switched my collecting to vintage. I used to spend hours and hours looking at cards under a light with a magnifying glass, just to get grades less than I thought the cards would get, even on the low estimation. At least with vintage, or at least how I collect, I am shooting for 3's, 4's, 5's. No need to scrutinize a card for five to ten minutes. Just send the card off. And of course, PSA is struggling in that world also, moving at a snails pace. Actually a snail may move faster than PSA vintage. I don't know of many companies where they keep kicking you in the junk and people keep coming back asking for more.
It's frustrating. Luckily, this 1980s special is pretty much going to suck me dry on Post-1980 sports cards and I don't have plans to acquire much more modern as my collection is primarily vintage. And the lionshare of stuff I'm submitting in this special are more obscure and foreign issued stuff. A good number of them have zero gems in the database. Three aren't even in the database yet and some have top grades as low as 4s and 5s.

I still have a lot of nonsports stuff I'd submit with a special though that I'd be magnifying for gems for. But that's for another day.
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Old 07-28-2023, 07:25 AM   #19009
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Order Type: Value Plus $40
# of cards: 10
Order delivered: 7/25/2023
Order received per PSA: 7/25/2023 (Arrived - My Orders page)
Research & ID: 7/26/2023
Grading: 7/28/2023
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Old 07-28-2023, 10:29 AM   #19010
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My 42 card sub popped and I'm kinda in shock. Lots of 2022-2023 stuff getting 8's and 6's. I find it hard to believe I missed that many major flaws on the 6's. And I never knew PSA did half grades.

The 6's were..... 2022 Topps Chrome Update USC35 Bobby Witt Jr. , 2023 Bowman Sapphire Edition Chrome Prospects BCP25 Druw Jones, and a 2023 Topps 1988 Topps Baseball Relics 88RYA Yordan Alvarez Red. The Bobby Witt Jr appears to have a piece of lint below the bat so that will be a crack and resub for sure. The Druw Sapphire I'm guessing has a printing flaw such as scratches or roller marks I don't think finger prints would warrant a 6 usually it's a fairly obvious issue. The centering might be off a little L-R but not enough to warrant a 6. The Yordan relic I'm not sure because it looked really good to the eye.




Some pretty big cards at least to me gemed out at 10 so over all I'm really pleased.


6's - 3
8's - 4
8.5 - 1
9's - 12
10's - 22
Druw Jones is likely the centering T/B. Sapphire absolutely sucks this year, plus maybe another flaw
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Old 07-28-2023, 12:35 PM   #19011
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PSA customer service is “looking into” my delayed order. Going on 30 business days, order not even logged yet…


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Old 07-28-2023, 01:40 PM   #19012
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TCG Bulk:

# of cards: 25
Order mailed: 6/8
Order delivered:6/14
Order Prep:7/3
Research & ID: 7/3
Grading:7/28
Assembly:
QA1:
QA2:
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All of the cards auto-populated. Has anyone experienced Research & ID taking this long?
Emailed yesterday asking for an update since I was nearing my shipping insurance claim deadline and magically went into grading with no email response.
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Old 07-28-2023, 03:02 PM   #19013
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Druw Jones is likely the centering T/B. Sapphire absolutely sucks this year, plus maybe another flaw
That centering is quite a bit better than the 80/20 threshold for the grade.
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Old 07-28-2023, 03:09 PM   #19014
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I submitted some vintage football stuff and my work buddy sent in a couple of Brady RCs through a LCS (primarily a Pokemon dealer) on value tier. I guess mine are value, his are technically value plus being higher dollar cards. The LCS website has a tracker that interfaces with PSA but it doesn't display the dates that already passed.

We submitted the cards in-store on 7/7, they were received by PSA early the next week... currently just entered Grading stage. Based on recent submittals, looks like that means we're 2-3 weeks out from grades? Nice turnaround so far compared to the 90 days we expected (total novices to the process).

Edit: well actually my friend's stuff is in different spots than mine. One is at QA2 and one still in Research & ID. Can't tell which is which (value vs. value plus). I have 6 cards from 1975 Topps, he has a Brady 2000 Certified and Mystique.

I assume we are at the mercy of the rest of the bulk submission as to when it'll ship?
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Old 07-28-2023, 05:48 PM   #19015
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I submitted some vintage football stuff and my work buddy sent in a couple of Brady RCs through a LCS (primarily a Pokemon dealer) on value tier. I guess mine are value, his are technically value plus being higher dollar cards. The LCS website has a tracker that interfaces with PSA but it doesn't display the dates that already passed.

We submitted the cards in-store on 7/7, they were received by PSA early the next week... currently just entered Grading stage. Based on recent submittals, looks like that means we're 2-3 weeks out from grades? Nice turnaround so far compared to the 90 days we expected (total novices to the process).

Edit: well actually my friend's stuff is in different spots than mine. One is at QA2 and one still in Research & ID. Can't tell which is which (value vs. value plus). I have 6 cards from 1975 Topps, he has a Brady 2000 Certified and Mystique.

I assume we are at the mercy of the rest of the bulk submission as to when it'll ship?
Your friend will have his back well before you. 70s and earlier moves at a snails pace. Yours is probably in R&ID. Can't the store tell you?
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Old 07-28-2023, 07:03 PM   #19016
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Order Type: 90s+ Sports Special
# of cards: 68
Order Arrived: 6/12/23
Order Entered: 7/7/23
Research & ID: 7/7/23
Grading: 7/11/23
Assembly: 7/26/23
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Old 07-28-2023, 08:42 PM   #19017
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March 7 Vintage Special finally hit QA2 w/upcharges today at 104 weekdays. Way longer than expected, but the grades are actually reasonable and seemingly accurate for vintage. Six months ago, my vintage orders were consistently getting hammered. Hopefully that problem is over.
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Old 07-28-2023, 09:51 PM   #19018
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Your friend will have his back well before you. 70s and earlier moves at a snails pace. Yours is probably in R&ID. Can't the store tell you?
No, mine is in Grading. We can see the status on the store's website, just not all the date history. Sorry if that didn't come through in my rambling.

Will they ship back to our LCS in separate shipments? Seems like it would all have to come back together to fulfill the submission.
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Old 07-28-2023, 10:17 PM   #19019
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Decided to ship it USPS ground advantage at 12 ounces. Arrived two days later. Fully anticipating about 3/4 months.

Order Type: 90s Sports Special
# of cards: 17
Order Arrived: 7/28/2023
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Old 07-28-2023, 10:28 PM   #19020
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Value 4 cards
Order arrived: 7/13/23
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Old 07-29-2023, 07:25 AM   #19021
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Order Type: 90s+ Special
# of cards: 22
Order delivered: 6/23
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No, mine is in Grading. We can see the status on the store's website, just not all the date history. Sorry if that didn't come through in my rambling.

Will they ship back to our LCS in separate shipments? Seems like it would all have to come back together to fulfill the submission.
These are questions for your LCS. sounds like they are in separate orders so your friend will get the Brady RCs back before your cards.
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Old 07-29-2023, 03:03 PM   #19023
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Order Type: 80s Sports Special
# of cards: 40
Order Arrived: 7/19/23
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Old 07-29-2023, 06:27 PM   #19024
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I'm sorry to hear this, man, but it seems really typical for 80s and 90s and early 2000s stuff. If you did your work, and it sounds like you did, then either you get a grader who will 9 and 10 almost everything, save for a few stray 8s to 6s. Or, you get a grader who thinks PSA 10 means PSA PRISTINE, and your results are mostly 6s to 8s with fewer 9s and hardly any 10s.

It's embarrassing and ridiculous and even outright fraudulent that their results can be so unreliable and inconsistent, both in terms of grading results and turnaround times. What a terrible, terrible company.

Rest assured, you are not alone in this experience. But please remember that better order and know that more of those are in your future, if you take the blows and stay resilient. Good luck, and try not to stab yourself cracking some of these out of their cases!
I find it fascinating that you can say this about his order without actually seeing the cards in person yourself.

Biggot much?
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Old 07-29-2023, 09:31 PM   #19025
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Biggot? You mean, bigot? No. And you might wanna recheck your dictionary on the meaning of that word. But biased? Yes, absolutely. PSA is a terrible, terrible, terrible company.

I see it time and again in my own orders, 6s and 8s on cards I was expected 9s and 10s, and then I crack them and resubmit, and I get 9s and 10s. You see it right here in this thread just a few posts up... WITH pictures, wise guy.

It's not a mystery. Nor is it discrimination or racism against the so-called "professionals" who work there. LMAO. Seriously, what the heck dude?

Sorry if you work there. I don't hate *you* in particular. Just your terrible company.
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