✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yea, that raw blue got a great uniform # bump!

too bad it was raw. ugh.

ah, didn't notice the s/n. I have a PSA 9 in that card

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

ah, didn't notice the s/n. I have a PSA 9 in that card

i need a non-gem copy. i do have a Blue Wave PSA 9 though

[njsportscardguy]

I'm sure it's answered/buried somewhere within the bowels of the 560-some odd pages of this thread, but; could one of you fine, BO members be so kind as to [re]post,...here? Products with live, Ohtani autos (eg; non-redemption products). I'd be tremendously appreciative. TIA!

[Tim]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

I'm sure it's answered/buried somewhere within the bowels of the 560-some odd pages of this thread, but; could one of you fine, BO members be so kind as to [re]post,...here? Products with live, Ohtani autos (eg; non-redemption products). I'd be tremendously appreciative. TIA!

Just go to the last page of the 2018 investment wax thread and you will find it there.

[seanrs1]

Does 2020 Topps series 2 or 2020 Topps chrome have live Ohtani autos?

[Neo]

He has just been mashing dingers ever since I hit and redeemed this beauty... (first Ohtani I've ever hit!). Can't be coincidence. He is the Beam Team.



SCC is so dope.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by JRX

I hope the yankees trade for him just to see you turn into his biggest fanboy.

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I will literally laugh for an hour if the last place Yankees trade for him to move from one loser team to another. I can see the Angels doing that.


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[Neal]

He's not going anywhere
But signs with Seattle in less than 6 months

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[CxL]

My 2022 Topps Update All Star patch auto is still pending and I don’t get it…….

[TheAStar]

Some heavy hitters in this thread…really awesome cards! This is one of my favorites from a time long ago when Montgomery club was still awesome!

[BC Hunt]

Originally Posted by TheAStar

Some heavy hitters in this thread…really awesome cards! This is one of my favorites from a time long ago when Montgomery club was still awesome!

Nice! And welcome aboard

[TheAStar]

Originally Posted by BC Hunt

Nice! And welcome aboard

Thank you!

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

I hope the yankees trade for him just to see you turn into his biggest fanboy.

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While I would root for him, I would never turn into a fanboy for him like the people in this thread. I will never say ridiculous things like "he deserves the MVP every year," "he's the GOAT after playing 5 seasons," or feel the need to pump his card prices as I would only be buying cards of him in a Yankees uniform and would never sell them anyway.

And I'm certainly not delusional like John Smoltz and think the Yankees getting Ohtani this year will allow them to win the World Series. He's not going to pitch into the 7th inning or more much to save the overworked relievers and to me, the same strategy applies to opponents if Judge every comes back - why pitch to him when it's apparent no one else on the offense can hit?

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

While I would root for him, I would never turn into a fanboy for him like the people in this thread. I will never say ridiculous things like "he deserves the MVP every year," "he's the GOAT after playing 5 seasons," or feel the need to pump his card prices as I would only be buying cards of him in a Yankees uniform and would never sell them anyway.

And I'm certainly not delusional like John Smoltz and think the Yankees getting Ohtani this year will allow them to win the World Series. He's not going to pitch into the 7th inning or more much to save the overworked relievers and to me, the same strategy applies to opponents if Judge every comes back - why pitch to him when it's apparent no one else on the offense can hit?

I think a lot of the people that post in this thread believe Ohtani has the potential to be the best player of all time (not best career or stats) as he has been doing things that have not been done in the past 100 years or ever in some cases.

The demand for Ohtani cards is sky high. Nobody needs to post cards here to pump up Ohtani. But I think many on here like to speculate just how high his cards could get in the next 5 to 10 years if he performs like currently year in and year out.

[Ziggy]

Plebs like me hear about/see Ohtani and are helping with the card values as all I can afford are cheap base RCs and only a handful of slabs. Meanwhile people that got in early continue to consolidate and move upwards.

I got into baseball for 4 reasons:

1) Kids playing little league
2) Faster games due to pitch clock
3) Jomboy doing some real interesting breakdowns on YouTube
4) Ohtani hitting dingers and pitching as a side job

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

He shouldn't win compared to Judge who was clearly more valuable to his team in 2022 than Ohtani was to his. Again that was demonstrated by his statistics at the plate and in the field compared to Ohtani, carrying his injured and struggling team to a playoff berth, and carrying pretty much all of MLB with his chase to beat Maris.



Does Ohtani taking up 2 positions not hurt his team worse and make him even less valuable if he is on the IL for a long period of time since you would have to replace 2 players, not one? I'm not sure why he's always seen as more valuable because he plays 2 positions, but not more risky to the team at the same time.



Ohtani is unique because he is not American nor is he from one of the Hispanic countries that MLB has sunk its claws into to grow prospects from an early age. MLB, Owners, and the Unions (when they came about in 1966) gave up on two way players after the 1920s. This has trickled down to how American and Hispanic players are groomed to play baseball. If having a two-way player is all of a sudden so valuable, where are the articles discussing how MLB, owners, colleges, scouts, etc. are changing the system down to the little league and travel ball level and encouraging this once again from a young age? We will never know if anyone else could have been doing what Ohtani is doing right now, because no one was encouraged to continue down that career path. That's why he is unique.

Ohtani had to fight for his 2 way status in Japan as well. He chose the Angels because they told him he could play 2 ways. You are twisting yourself up like a pretzel in an attempt to downplay Shohei's greatness, which just makes you look silly imo.

Yes Judge had a great year last year, I don't quibble over his right to the MVP. But Judge aint no Shohei.

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[Rage]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Does Ohtani taking up 2 positions not hurt his team worse and make him even less valuable if he is on the IL for a long period of time since you would have to replace 2 players, not one? I'm not sure why he's always seen as more valuable because he plays 2 positions, but not more risky to the team at the same time.

Are you really this dense? Of course Ohtani is less valuable while he is on the IL, and vice versa MORE valuable when he's playing since he can do double duty. Not sure if you knew but MVP voting is based on past performance, not possible risk to the team in the future.

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Ohtani is unique because he is not American nor is he from one of the Hispanic countries that MLB has sunk its claws into to grow prospects from an early age. MLB, Owners, and the Unions (when they came about in 1966) gave up on two way players after the 1920s. This has trickled down to how American and Hispanic players are groomed to play baseball. If having a two-way player is all of a sudden so valuable, where are the articles discussing how MLB, owners, colleges, scouts, etc. are changing the system down to the little league and travel ball level and encouraging this once again from a young age? We will never know if anyone else could have been doing what Ohtani is doing right now, because no one was encouraged to continue down that career path. That's why he is unique.

Where is this mythical land Ohtani comes from where 2-way players are the norm or even encouraged??

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

I've been ignoring your nonsense on this thread so far but this post from you was just too much.


Either way I hope Judge can come back healthy soon.

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Plebs like me hear about/see Ohtani and are helping with the card values as all I can afford are cheap base RCs and only a handful of slabs. Meanwhile people that got in early continue to consolidate and move upwards.

I got into baseball for 4 reasons:

1) Kids playing little league
2) Faster games due to pitch clock
3) Jomboy doing some real interesting breakdowns on YouTube
4) Ohtani hitting dingers and pitching as a side job

Those are some solid reasons to get into baseball. As a life long fan of the beautiful and magical game, I hope there are many more out there like you sir.

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[JRX]

Originally Posted by Rage

Are you really this dense? Of course Ohtani is less valuable while he is on the IL, and vice versa MORE valuable when he's playing since he can do double duty. Not sure if you knew but MVP voting is based on past performance, not possible risk to the team in the future.









Where is this mythical land Ohtani comes from where 2-way players are the norm or even encouraged??



Please stop embarrassing yourself.



I've been ignoring your nonsense on this thread so far but this post from you was just too much.





Either way I hope Judge can come back healthy soon.

What you didn't know everyone would be a 2 way player at an all star level if coach just let them lol.

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[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

While I would root for him, I would never turn into a fanboy for him like the people in this thread. I will never say ridiculous things like "he deserves the MVP every year," "he's the GOAT after playing 5 seasons," or feel the need to pump his card prices as I would only be buying cards of him in a Yankees uniform and would never sell them anyway.

And I'm certainly not delusional like John Smoltz and think the Yankees getting Ohtani this year will allow them to win the World Series. He's not going to pitch into the 7th inning or more much to save the overworked relievers and to me, the same strategy applies to opponents if Judge every comes back - why pitch to him when it's apparent no one else on the offense can hit?

One things for sure.
The Astros own the Yankees in the postseason.
The Astros own Ohtani this year.
Yankees getting Ohtani would be owned by the Astros again.


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[Trueblue]

Lot of scared pitching today so far..

[MOONBASE1]

Hope he does not wind up with what I call the big fat contract jinx. Seems when they land the big contract trouble follows. Year after Judge signs he gets hurt. Same with Trout.

[BambinoShuffle]

Ridin Low Jersey Number


Lights Out Optic Holo

[okumeister]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Lot of scared pitching today so far..

Boone finally listened on walking him?

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by redauto5

Ohtani had to fight for his 2 way status in Japan as well. He chose the Angels because they told him he could play 2 ways. You are twisting yourself up like a pretzel in an attempt to downplay Shohei's greatness, which just makes you look silly imo.

Yes Judge had a great year last year, I don't quibble over his right to the MVP. But Judge aint no Shohei.

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I'm not downplaying his greatness at all. I have said many times in this "fight if you will" against the Ohtani fan boyz over last year's MVP vote.

You're obviously not one of the people who continue to argue Ohtani got robbed last year and that makes you better in my eyes than some others around here. And I've never said Judge is Shoehi; just that he was more deserving of the MVP last year.