Fake Frank Thomas Patch Auto on eBay right now

Noles939913 · 07-16-2023, 01:35 PM

Being auctioned by DCSports87. Just giving everyone a heads up. I collect this set across all three sports and can assure you none of these have patches, not even the parallel that’s #’d to the player’s jersey number. Upper Deck stripped the patches off all the jerseys so the cards wouldn’t be super thick.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12601443070...Bk9SR4C4zP-rYg

vwnut13 · 07-16-2023, 01:46 PM

Is the jersey window not bulging on the bottom and dinged up at the top (under White Sox)?

How is that a 10?

Oh, PSA.

Zauron · 07-16-2023, 01:49 PM

Yeah, how did that get a 10? When was this graded? That patch is obvious a fake.

I have the Champ auto jersey from this, these are super thin auto jerseys, no way would they put patches in this.

caster513 · 07-16-2023, 02:04 PM

Good looking out, definite fake patch. I reported it, not sure if that does anything though...

towerymt · 07-16-2023, 02:05 PM

Check in with user: Brandt504
Ebay: bighurt_90s_inserts

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=356335

Sales history points to that ebay acct, Dec. 2017
https://www.psacard.com/cert/25427325/psa

From what I can tell, he doesn't grade or really seem to collect graded either, so my assumption would be a buy/flip type scenario.

My opinion based on what I could sleuth is that the work was done by someone else.

Good catch.

towerymt · 07-16-2023, 02:09 PM

https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac...monthly1310252

Found it sold at PWCC 7/21/2016.

2000 UD Pros & Prospects Frank Thomas 4-CLR PATCH AUTO PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)

Can't believe I didn't think to check there first

NYBBFAN · 07-16-2023, 02:15 PM

I’ve followed that set since its release. Single-color jerseys only, or occasionally a pinstripe. That patch is an obvious fake.

towerymt · 07-16-2023, 02:22 PM

Added here:
PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...0#post18950190

ScooterD · 07-16-2023, 05:36 PM

If I bid this up so it has to go through authentication, who wants to bet that it makes it? And - what happens if if doesn’t?

caster513 · 07-16-2023, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScooterD

If I bid this up so it has to go through authentication, who wants to bet that it makes it? And - what happens if if doesn’t?

Well it would be going through PSA again for authentication so I bet it would pass.... If the seller doesn't accept returns I believe you would be stuck with it.

Oriole Way · 07-16-2023, 06:23 PM

Someone with an active Twitter account and some followers should tweet PSA and Nat Turner. May get enough attention to get it taken down.

DragonWagon · 07-16-2023, 09:19 PM

Added to the Altered Card Database

2000 Frank Thomas #FTh UD Pros & Prospects - Signature Jersey PSA 10 cert# 25427325

These are not the same card. It is to show what the Fake Patch should look like.

In the bag · 07-16-2023, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Added to the Altered Card Database

2000 Frank Thomas #FTh UD Pros & Prospects - Signature Jersey PSA 10 cert# 25427325

These are not the same card. It is to show what the Fake Patch should look like.

The ‘patch’ on the left is from the 1997 Jackie Robinson patch that was on jersey’s that year. The one on the right isn’t a ‘patch.’ It’s a piece of a jersey.

In the bag · 07-16-2023, 09:45 PM

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towerymt · 07-16-2023, 09:49 PM

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...oto/1366473896

Noles939913 · 07-16-2023, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by In the bag

The ‘patch’ on the left is from the 1997 Jackie Robinson patch that was on jersey’s that year. The one on the right isn’t a ‘patch.’ It’s a piece of a jersey.

It doesn’t matter. None of the jersey swatches or pieces were patches not even the super rare parallel that was #’d to the player’s jersey number. Upper Deck literally pulled all the patches off of the jerseys they used to make them more or less the same size as the base cards. This was stated in Beckett around the time the product was released and my Cal Ripken Jr. shows evidence of this.

3124508 on COMC · 07-17-2023, 03:40 AM

Looks like a Kevin Burge special.

Noles939913 · 07-18-2023, 11:25 PM

It appears the auction was finally pulled. A real shame when people ruin great cards.

Noles939913 · 10-27-2024, 12:44 AM

And another one…also from our friends at DCSports87. This one a Kobe Bryant. The lettering on the slab also looks dodgy as hell:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12673903796...Bk9SR5jvgsjZZA

NYBBFAN · 10-27-2024, 05:30 AM

No way that Kobe slab is real. Not even talking about the card, just the slab. Nice find.

hammertime · 10-27-2024, 07:29 AM

Those early PSA labels were basically hand-typed.

NYBBFAN · 10-27-2024, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hammertime

Those early PSA labels were basically hand-typed.

It looks like a Type 4 flip but the PSA logo up to seems off to me.

07-16-2023, 01:35 PM	#1
Noles939913 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 6,883	Fake Frank Thomas Patch Auto on eBay right now Being auctioned by DCSports87. Just giving everyone a heads up. I collect this set across all three sports and can assure you none of these have patches, not even the parallel that’s #’d to the player’s jersey number. Upper Deck stripped the patches off all the jerseys so the cards wouldn’t be super thick. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12601443070...Bk9SR4C4zP-rYg __________________ “Mr. Phillips found old Johnny Cash and he was high High before he ever took those pills and he's still too proud to die Mr. Phillips never said anything behind nobody's back Like, "Dammit Elvis, don't he know, he ain't no Johnny Cash"

07-16-2023, 01:49 PM	#3
Zauron Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,569	Yeah, how did that get a 10? When was this graded? That patch is obvious a fake. I have the Champ auto jersey from this, these are super thin auto jerseys, no way would they put patches in this. __________________ Champ Bailey Collector! Currently: 909/2602 hermanotarjeta: You've been BRIOSED!!!!!!!!!

07-16-2023, 02:04 PM	#4
caster513 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 759 cincysportscards	Good looking out, definite fake patch. I reported it, not sure if that does anything though... __________________ Buying Rare Inserts & Autos of Kenny Lofton Lofton Collection https://kennylofton.weebly.com/

07-16-2023, 02:05 PM	#5
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,726	Check in with user: Brandt504 Ebay: bighurt_90s_inserts https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=356335 Sales history points to that ebay acct, Dec. 2017 https://www.psacard.com/cert/25427325/psa From what I can tell, he doesn't grade or really seem to collect graded either, so my assumption would be a buy/flip type scenario. My opinion based on what I could sleuth is that the work was done by someone else. Good catch. __________________ In search of... 2018 Topps Chrome Update Max Scherzer #HMT77: Superfractor 2019 Topps Update Carter Kieboom #US109: Platinum

07-16-2023, 02:15 PM	#7
NYBBFAN Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,879	I’ve followed that set since its release. Single-color jerseys only, or occasionally a pinstripe. That patch is an obvious fake. __________________ https://gallery.us175.com/ https://inv.us175.com/wantlist

07-16-2023, 01:46 PM	#2
vwnut13 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 6,105	Is the jersey window not bulging on the bottom and dinged up at the top (under White Sox)? How is that a 10? Oh, PSA.

07-16-2023, 02:09 PM	#6
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,726	https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac...monthly1310252 Found it sold at PWCC 7/21/2016. 2000 UD Pros & Prospects Frank Thomas 4-CLR PATCH AUTO PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC) Can't believe I didn't think to check there first

07-16-2023, 02:22 PM	#8
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,726	Added here: PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...0#post18950190

07-16-2023, 05:36 PM	#9
ScooterD Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 5,255	If I bid this up so it has to go through authentication, who wants to bet that it makes it? And - what happens if if doesn’t?

07-16-2023, 06:23 PM	#11
Oriole Way Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 580 greystreetaa	Someone with an active Twitter account and some followers should tweet PSA and Nat Turner. May get enough attention to get it taken down.

07-16-2023, 09:19 PM	#12
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 905	Added to the Altered Card Database 2000 Frank Thomas #FTh UD Pros & Prospects - Signature Jersey PSA 10 cert# 25427325 These are not the same card. It is to show what the Fake Patch should look like.

07-16-2023, 09:45 PM	#14
In the bag Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: LITH Posts: 63	Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-16-2023, 09:49 PM	#15
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,726	https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...oto/1366473896

07-17-2023, 03:40 AM	#17
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,374	Looks like a Kevin Burge special. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

07-18-2023, 11:25 PM	#18
Noles939913 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 6,883	It appears the auction was finally pulled. A real shame when people ruin great cards. __________________ “Mr. Phillips found old Johnny Cash and he was high High before he ever took those pills and he's still too proud to die Mr. Phillips never said anything behind nobody's back Like, "Dammit Elvis, don't he know, he ain't no Johnny Cash"

10-27-2024, 12:44 AM	#19
Noles939913 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 6,883	And another one…also from our friends at DCSports87. This one a Kobe Bryant. The lettering on the slab also looks dodgy as hell: https://www.ebay.com/itm/12673903796...Bk9SR5jvgsjZZA __________________ “Mr. Phillips found old Johnny Cash and he was high High before he ever took those pills and he's still too proud to die Mr. Phillips never said anything behind nobody's back Like, "Dammit Elvis, don't he know, he ain't no Johnny Cash"

10-27-2024, 05:30 AM	#20
NYBBFAN Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,879	No way that Kobe slab is real. Not even talking about the card, just the slab. Nice find. __________________ https://gallery.us175.com/ https://inv.us175.com/wantlist

10-27-2024, 07:29 AM	#21
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 6,671	Those early PSA labels were basically hand-typed.