Ja Morant

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Do people not realize yet that you don’t have to commit a crime to be suspended by the NBA?

Any decent lawyer would argue that an employer does not have the right to punish someone for behavior when the are not "on the job".

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Any decent lawyer would argue that an employer does not have the right to punish someone for behavior when the are not "on the job".

You are way smarter than this.

[apb4]

It's going to be interesting to see what the NBA does here. I don't believe there is anything in the CBA related to guns in the offseason or downtime. The only restriction is during team activities or road trips which is what they got him on last time. But perhaps there was some kind of negotiating after the last incident whereby he was bared from possessing a firearm. It's also going to depend on where this happened and what the gun laws are in that particular area.

Regardless, the optics on this are real bad and he deserves every bit of ire that is going to come his way. He seems to be caught up with the wrong guys around him. At this rate it's not going to end well for him. He's going to need to change or he will find himself out of the league at some point. No way the NBA wants anything to do with this.

[hermanotarjeta]

Not sure how anyone can be confident investing in this guy’s cards.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Oh dear God. This is what the CBA is for. Handling issues like this. Whatever punishment he receives will be in accordance with the CBA.

Agreed.

But what, if anything, does the CBA say about off-season behavior/incidents?

I'm not disputing the fact that Ja is a punk and showed horrible judgment....I'm just more interested in the legal aspects of the situation.

Because I think that the dichotomy between "guns are legal" and "famous person having a gun is bad" is interesting to discuss.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Incidents like these raise a lot of interesting questions given that gun ownership is for the most part completely legal in the USA.

Because from one perspective, although Ja is demonstrating incredibly poor judgment, he is not "at work" or acting in any sort of professional capacity, which raises the question of whether or not his employer should even have the right to discipline him.

How would any of us feel if we got disciplined by our employer for doing something stupid (yet legal) in our private lives?

Also brings up the tangential issue that LEO's are trained to view any sight of a weapon in the hands of an individual as being a threat justifying lethal force, despite the fact that private weapon ownership is legal (as is open carry in many states). How many black kids looking and behaving just like Ja have been shot while engaging in similar (and legal) behavior?

Not sure what race has to do with it but regardless if you have a gun, if you’re not being violent and follow simple instructions the chance of you getting unjustly shot by the police would be closer to zero then 1%.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Any decent lawyer would argue that an employer does not have the right to punish someone for behavior when the are not "on the job".

Many jobs have guidelines that you can in fact be disciplined or fired for things you do outside of the workplace. The nba having employees in the public eye would be a prime example.

[CanadianKid]

Tell me you are from Seattle without telling me you are from Seattle.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

Tell me you are from Seattle without telling me you are from Seattle.

What's your point?

[TheHeel]

Suspended from team activities. I guess no off season program...for now.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...zlies-star-gun

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by apb4

It's going to be interesting to see what the NBA does here. I don't believe there is anything in the CBA related to guns in the offseason or downtime.

Well yeah. That’s what the league’s conduct policy is for. The conduct policies are intentionally vague and broad in scope so that behavior can be judged on a case by case basis as to whether or not it is detrimental to the league.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by apb4

It's going to be interesting to see what the NBA does here. I don't believe there is anything in the CBA related to guns in the offseason or downtime. The only restriction is during team activities or road trips which is what they got him on last time. But perhaps there was some kind of negotiating after the last incident whereby he was bared from possessing a firearm. It's also going to depend on where this happened and what the gun laws are in that particular area.

That would go against his Constitutional rights. If we're talking on NBA property, on team transportation, etc., that would be private property, so I can see that. Otherwise, a general ban would be completely illegal.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Agreed.

But what, if anything, does the CBA say about off-season behavior/incidents?

I'm not disputing the fact that Ja is a punk and showed horrible judgment....I'm just more interested in the legal aspects of the situation.

Because I think that the dichotomy between "guns are legal" and "famous person having a gun is bad" is interesting to discuss.

Legality has absolutely nothing to do with this.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Incidents like these raise a lot of interesting questions given that gun ownership is for the most part completely legal in the USA.
Also brings up the tangential issue that LEO's are trained to view any sight of a weapon in the hands of an individual as being a threat justifying lethal force, despite the fact that private weapon ownership is legal (as is open carry in many states). How many black kids looking and behaving just like Ja have been shot while engaging in similar (and legal) behavior?

This is a great point that needs to be discussed more but probably not here.

[Asian62150]

If the NBA or the Grizzlies weren't specific in their expectations on Ja moving forward, then the NBA/Grizz are dumb.

But either way, Ja is being real dumb. Even if legally he can show off a gun, just the mindset of "let me see how much I can toe the line" is so far from when he talked about realizing he has a lot to lose.

Regardless of what the legalities are or what the CBA says, Ja just needs to do better.

[CanadianKid]

Originally Posted by mfw13

What's your point?

My point is it's always funny to see how society feels almost no desire to take personal responsibility for their actions. Instead you get a laundry list of excuses, claims to having the right to and finger pointing.

The man knows this type of behavior will not go over well with the NBA, he did it any ways. He knows as he is also influenced by that trash homicidal, drug dealing, women degrading music he is influenced by... he too influences young men and does it any ways.

He needs a long suspension and his father to put him over his knee.

[jubei777]

lol, he just wants to have all his endorsements to get canceled. seriously how can he keep doing this after seeing he lost his chance at the supermax. train wreck this year. not sure if his head is going to get straight before he's out of the league

[pcptrade]

Anything that can go wrong will go wrong! Applies to him and his current situation.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

My point is it's always funny to see how society feels almost no desire to take personal responsibility for their actions. Instead you get a laundry list of excuses, claims to having the right to and finger pointing.

The man knows this type of behavior will not go over well with the NBA, he did it any ways. He knows as he is also influenced by that trash homicidal, drug dealing, women degrading music he is influenced by... he too influences young men and does it any ways.

He needs a long suspension and his father to put him over his knee.

LOL. Have you seen how his dad acts at games?

[CanadianKid]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

LOL. Have you seen how his dad acts at games?

It did dawn on me shortly after typing ya lol I bet Shannon Sharpe would volunteer

[solt0131]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Any decent lawyer would argue that an employer does not have the right to punish someone for behavior when the are not "on the job".

He's a contracted employee that is causing an adverse effect on the organization.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Legality has absolutely nothing to do with this.

In general, I disagree. The legality impacts the situation but most importantly, the consequences the employer could hand down. The same as ethical considerations are made. I would argue that the legal impact in most instances of an employees behavior has more weight. Being a public figure, he's gonna get hurt in the pockets(Nike already distancing themselves). Yes, Ja has showed a pattern of questionable behavior, so that will impact whatever decision the NBA comes down with. But in general, any discipline by an employer for what that video shows needs to be more than "OMG GUN!".(Edited to add, there was no volume, so the music being played can also impact the moment)

[NSGJT]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Oh dear God. This is what the CBA is for. Handling issues like this. Whatever punishment he receives will be in accordance with the CBA.

People don't get it. Guess what else is legal? Gambling.

And what happens to NFL players (MUTLIPLE recent examples) who gamble even on other sporting events with zero connection to the NFL? In some gambling advert lounge in the stadium? Gone, you're off the team, suspended half a year, 4-8 games. During the offseason.

Waving a gun around? Are you guys not connecting the dots here? He pulled a gun on a minor LMAO (prior). Not hard to see why this is an issue. And it's the NBA, the employer, who can set the rules how they see fit within reason.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Any decent lawyer would argue that an employer does not have the right to punish someone for behavior when the are not "on the job".

Dumbest post in the history of posts

[NSGJT]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

In general, I disagree. The legality impacts the situation but most importantly, the consequences the employer could hand down. The same as ethical considerations are made. I would argue that the legal impact in most instances of an employees behavior has more weight. Being a public figure, he's gonna get hurt in the pockets(Nike already distancing themselves). Yes, Ja has showed a pattern of questionable behavior, so that will impact whatever decision the NBA comes down with. But in general, any discipline by an employer for what that video shows needs to be more than "OMG GUN!"

He pulled a gun on a minor during a pick-up game and skated away with like a week suspension from it. Waving a gun on IG live after getting away with that with a slap on the wrist is comical.

How many normal people can pull a f---ing GUN on a kid in public and not see jail time or serious repercussions? Stop talking about "legality" then. Most athletes, famous ones for sure, are above the law to x degree. This isn't about what the law either, and btw brandishing a gun is illegal in certain context.