Julio Rodriguez

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Part of the issue with jrod prices (outside of his stats) is the overabundance of options for buyers. I see numerous people in this thread post they want to pick up some RC. Do you want flagship, update, chrome SP, chrome update, sapphire, update sapphire, Ben baller, cosmic, logofrsctor, sonic, gilded etc. There’s just to many options for collector to
Choose from and none of them really set themselves apart as the must have RC.

While the performance doesn’t help I think Topps has created a greater problem then people realize and even when he turns it around I don’t think you’ll see a huge Jump in prices jsut from oversupply (outside of truly rare cards)

It's a problem only if you are buying the manufactured rarity junk. Stick to the staples and you will be fine assuming the player performs.

[Vdm2018]

is this turning into a bobby witt bust thread?

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Vdm2018

is this turning into a bobby witt bust thread?

Where's carddude to admonish us all for wasting our money!!

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by Vdm2018

is this turning into a bobby witt bust thread?

Lord knows we need a third

[seanrs1]

I don't think anyone is calling Julio a bust! But I do think it is fair to wonder if his back is going to cause him issues in the future. I also think its fair to wonder if his cards have already peaked. The bottom line is the longer he does not perform to expectations the more questions will arise about his future. With that being said I keep on winning a bunch of Julio auctions on Ebay, so I must value him more than others.

[Easycards]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It's a problem only if you are buying the manufactured rarity junk. Stick to the staples and you will be fine assuming the player performs.

What do you consider manufactured rarity junk and what do you consider the staples?

[Nostalgia]

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[towerymt]

Originally Posted by Easycards

What do you consider manufactured rarity junk and what do you consider the staples?

Logofractor. It can be only one.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by Easycards

What do you consider manufactured rarity junk and what do you consider the staples?

The original Topps Chrome. No variation of it. They did like 100 versions of Topps Chrome

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

The original Topps Chrome. No variation of it. They did like 100 versions of Topps Chrome

Too bad Topps dropped the ball on TCU. Leaves Flagship Update as the front runner.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Easycards

What do you consider manufactured rarity junk and what do you consider the staples?

If the first ever release dropped in the past 4 years, its most likely manufactured rarity. Logo, Guilded, Shimmer, Wave, etc etc. Stick to the staples and the staple colors. Topps, Chrome, SSPs, Blacks, Gold, Reds, Blues. Its really not hard to figure out. People will always gravitate back to the OG stuff.

[Easycards]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

If the first ever release dropped in the past 4 years, its most likely manufactured rarity. Logo, Guilded, Shimmer, Wave, etc etc. Stick to the staples and the staple colors. Topps, Chrome, SSPs, Blacks, Gold, Reds, Blues. Its really not hard to figure out. People will always gravitate back to the OG stuff.

Sure, flagship stuff and all that seems obvious. The ”tread with caution” examples being new products that do not have any history makes sense. But I’m wondering where stuff like stadium club, finest and bowman best fall in all this then? Those are OG but clearly don’t hold a premium compared to the core flagship stuff (Topps, TC, update, bowman/BC).

Curious whether there is any discernible consensus on things like those sets?

[Jolten Joe]

To me and I will probably get roasted but I agree with Topps Flagship, Topps chrome, and Chrome Update. Anything else might have a cool photo or what not but to me they are what I call gimmicky sets made specifically to draw people in but in the end they just aren't classic enough to stand the test of time.For instance you put a Julio flagship update, Bowman's Best, Heritage, Stadium Club , and Allen & Ginter next to each other and 9 out of 10 people's eyes will directly go to the Flagship Update because it's that Iconic photo you look for. The others might be flashy but so is Fool's Gold.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Where does Sapphire fall on this list?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Where does Sapphire fall on this list?

which one?

(sadly, not kidding)

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

which one?

(sadly, not kidding)

Ha. I suppose the "manufactured rarity junk" or "staples" list...

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

If the first ever release dropped in the past 4 years, its most likely manufactured rarity. Logo, Guilded, Shimmer, Wave, etc etc. Stick to the staples and the staple colors. Topps, Chrome, SSPs, Blacks, Gold, Reds, Blues. Its really not hard to figure out. People will always gravitate back to the OG stuff.

This.

My short list is Flagship Gold, Black, and image variations, and TC/BC standard colors. Sometimes a nod to Stadium Club and Heritage ROA depending on the year and image. Julio suffers because his TC auto image is terrible, and they splintered his non-auto release into what must be a dozen confusing sets. I’d keep it simple and go with the silver pack and its parallels for now.

This is speaking to the long term. Over a period of a few years, any set can do well if the player performs. For example, is there any Ohtani card that isn’t up massive over the last two years? But 10-20 years from now, where is demand going to greatly outstrip supply?

[SupermanBrandon]

Can I just say...those M's City Connect uniforms would be one of the best uni's in all of baseball if those pants were white or cream instead of black. Instead they are just fugly overall. The black pants are not it.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Can I just say...those M's City Connect uniforms would be one of the best uni's in all of baseball if those pants were white or cream instead of black. Instead they are just fugly overall. The black pants are not it.

The black pants have a softball league look.

[DonnieBaseball2]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

This.

My short list is Flagship Gold, Black, and image variations, and TC/BC standard colors. Sometimes a nod to Stadium Club and Heritage ROA depending on the year and image. Julio suffers because his TC auto image is terrible, and they splintered his non-auto release into what must be a dozen confusing sets. I’d keep it simple and go with the silver pack and its parallels for now.

This is speaking to the long term. Over a period of a few years, any set can do well if the player performs. For example, is there any Ohtani card that isn’t up massive over the last two years? But 10-20 years from now, where is demand going to greatly outstrip supply?

Great post, something people should think about when buying and collecting.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Can I just say...those M's City Connect uniforms would be one of the best uni's in all of baseball if those pants were white or cream instead of black. Instead they are just fugly overall. The black pants are not it.

You are not kidding. Thought the pants might look better in person, at the game, but nope. It's a shame since the City Connect jersey had so much potential. IMO it's a little too safe with their Pilots theme, have already seen a lot of of the retro look, in casual fan wear, already.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by DonnieBaseball2

Great post, something people should think about when buying and collecting.

If people are looking to quick flip because they think "x" player is going to get hot or have a big Spring...then it doesn't matter as much. That's just pure gambling & really hard to do in todays hobby. But if you're looking to really collect or invest/hold longterm, then stick to the staples. Cream rises to the top over time.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

This.

My short list is Flagship Gold, Black, and image variations, and TC/BC standard colors. Sometimes a nod to Stadium Club and Heritage ROA depending on the year and image. Julio suffers because his TC auto image is terrible, and they splintered his non-auto release into what must be a dozen confusing sets. I’d keep it simple and go with the silver pack and its parallels for now.

This is speaking to the long term. Over a period of a few years, any set can do well if the player performs. For example, is there any Ohtani card that isn’t up massive over the last two years? But 10-20 years from now, where is demand going to greatly outstrip supply?

Good question. I suppose this will shakeout dependent on just how legendary Ohtani's career will play out. It's just my opinion but a realistic scenario can be like how Trout's cards are right now, in demand, but a lot softer than even several years ago, now the hype has worn off some. Trout/Ohtani's talent hasn't changed but something will inevitably come along and redirect the general collector's attention and pull the money along with it.

I suppose I'm in the minority on this but I hope Sapphire/Update makes it on the minds of collectors as a staple, even though it's technically a parallel set of Chrome and relatively new. I have the rookies of both Acuna and both Julio versions and... man, they are probably the prettiest cards I own. That set is really sharp looking.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Good question. I suppose this will shakeout dependent on just how legendary Ohtani's career will play out. It's just my opinion but a realistic scenario can be like how Trout's cards are right now, in demand, but a lot softer than even several years ago, now the hype has worn off some. Trout/Ohtani's talent hasn't changed but something will inevitably come along and redirect the general collector's attention and pull the money along with it.

I suppose I'm in the minority on this but I hope Sapphire/Update makes it on the minds of collectors as a staple, even though it's technically a parallel set of Chrome and relatively new. I have the rookies of both Acuna and both Julio versions and... man, they are probably the prettiest cards I own. That set is really sharp looking.

Bass Sapphire is becoming more and more watered down with each passing year. 2018 & 2019 sapphire can absolutely pass the test of time. 2022...probably not, imo.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Bass Sapphire is becoming more and more watered down with each passing year. 2018 & 2019 sapphire can absolutely pass the test of time. 2022...probably not, imo.

Fair opinion. I'm assuming you're basing your "watered down" quote off of print runs. What would be your cut range off when it comes to print population, in regards to "passing the test of time"?
I've heard of 2018's rumored run of 285. It's been speculated that 2022 Sapphire and Update Sapphire has something along the lines of 1350 and 2700 respectively, so big increase but IMO still pretty limited.