Self-Proclaimed Prophet Evan Mathis Posts Video on How To Trim Vintage Cards

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by japhi

Surprised by the response to the stuff he is doing. The 14 days in darkness, that screen of IM with his wife, are all clearly satire.

And the trimming thing, in the wide open, is refreshing. There are hundreds, maybe thousands of guys doing this in the dark. He is mocking the TPG's, showing how easy it is trim and get cards slabbed. And in the open for years, he bought that trimmer like 3 years ago on his own eBay account, has been buying sheets on the same account, Been flaunting for for years. He's exposed more in those two videos then 200K posts on blowout.

I don't collect high grade because I've known it's BS forever. So a guy beating the TPG's in full view is great, love it. May as well join the party fella's, if the TPG's and high end collectors don't care, why should we?

Yes, I’m sure he went to the trouble of registering an actual nonprofit corporation a whole year ago just for a satirical bit.

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_wa/604892021

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

PSA reportedly denied Mathis' last submission. Clearly they don't want Mathis submitting altered or sheet cut cards to them anymore.

People who buy graded cards surely want the grades to be accurate. Otherwise, why do people pay a premium for graded cards?

The more Mathis exposes the flaws of TPG, the less credibility graded cards will have in the hobby with consumers and hobbyists.

Yup. Up until that last submission, however, it was a F§€¥ing free-for-all. And everyone got paid except the buyer.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

PSA reportedly denied Mathis' last submission. Clearly they don't want Mathis submitting altered or sheet cut cards to them anymore.

People who buy graded cards surely want the grades to be accurate. Otherwise, why do people pay a premium for graded cards?

The more Mathis exposes the flaws of TPG, the less credibility graded cards will have in the hobby with consumers and hobbyists.

Why do you think this? Despite the amazing work of BODA exposing the deep flaws of TPGs and how rampant card doctoring is, graded cards are doing just fine. Why can Mathis accomplish what years of relentless and meticulous work by BODA has not?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Why do you think this? Despite the amazing work of BODA exposing the deep flaws of TPGs and how rampant card doctoring is, graded cards are doing just fine. Why can Mathis accomplish what years of relentless and meticulous work by BODA has not?

BODA's work was primarily done 4 years ago, before the pandemic brought a lot more attention, participants and social media presence to the hobby.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

BODA's work was primarily done 4 years ago, before the pandemic brought a lot more attention, participants and social media presence to the hobby.

I guess I would look at it the opposite way from you then; if graded cards are that much more entrenched it will be even more difficult to make any inroads no matter what is disclosed due to the inordinate sums invested in them. But who knows.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I guess I would look at it the opposite way from you then; if graded cards are that much more entrenched it will be even more difficult to make any inroads no matter what is disclosed due to the inordinate sums invested in them. But who knows.

The people who invested in altered graded cards got scammed. The grades are not accurate. They should be upset by that. Fortunately for them, only a small number of altered cards have been publicly outed. Going forward, they should focus more on raw cards to diversify their portfolio.

The hobby needs to stop treating graded cards with such high regard. Buyers should value graded cards with the knowledge that many of them have been altered.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The people who invested in altered graded cards got scammed. The grades are not accurate. They should be upset by that. Fortunately for them, only a small number of altered cards have been publicly outed. Going forward, they should focus more on raw cards to diversify their portfolio.

The hobby needs to stop treating graded cards with such high regard. Buyers should value graded cards with the knowledge that many of them have been altered.

I don't disagree, I am just skeptical this will happen given the vested interests. I think a lot of people are engaging in cognitive dissonance and have convinced themselves it's irrelevant.

[CaptSpaulding]

Nothing changes until and unless whistleblowers come forward to assist the FBI in investigating how all of these altered cards got into holders. Cards should not be altered but if TPG were doing their job the same way for all submissions, the number of altered cards in holders would be a very small fraction of what actually exists and those that got by would be by mistake not by favor.

As long as these companies have no consequences then prices will continue to go up and people will continue to ignore the card and focus on the flip.

[ken161]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

He's back for more:

https://www.tiktok.com/@evanmathis69...89895857278250

This video has a lot of Set Registry guys excited.

[pspa123]

So that's an entire sheet of 84 Finest Jordans?

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I don't disagree, I am just skeptical this will happen given the vested interests. I think a lot of people are engaging in cognitive dissonance and have convinced themselves it's irrelevant.

It’s the same dissonance people use for NFTs. People are literally desperate to make money out of nothing.

Not a good look for the hobby and for real collectors.

[pip]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

It’s the same dissonance people use for NFTs. People are literally desperate to make money out of nothing.

Not a good look for the hobby and for real collectors.

To be fair, NFTs offer a level of blockchain security that graded cards do not. There are a diversity of useful applications for this type of tech that go well beyond trading cards.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

So that's an entire sheet of 84 Finest Jordans?

Too bad he won't be able to do anything with it if it's cut up.

Evan has really miscalculated here. He thinks he's a big fish in a small pond when in fact the converse is true. And his $7.99 cracker-jack horse-and-pony trimming show is amateurish. Those types of cuts only pass PSA when you're a celeb in good standing. Evan is persona non grata with TPGs and he knows it. The only thing he's doing now is burning the tiniest little bridge in the entire hobby. He's irrelevant to the average collector. We can only hope that at some point maybe his narcissism will subside enough for him to grasp these realities.

[pspa123]

Not sure if this already posted, a new video by SCR called card trimmers, including Evan, Brent, Gary, Mastro, and Dave F.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dYQV9aYNzkg

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

Too bad he won't be able to do anything with it if it's cut up.

Evan has really miscalculated here. He thinks he's a big fish in a small pond when in fact the converse is true. And his $7.99 cracker-jack horse-and-pony trimming show is amateurish. Those types of cuts only pass PSA when you're a celeb in good standing. Evan is persona non grata with TPGs and he knows it. The only thing he's doing now is burning the tiniest little bridge in the entire hobby. He's irrelevant to the average collector. We can only hope that at some point maybe his narcissism will subside enough for him to grasp these realities.

Is that typical that you would have an entire sheet of the same card in that product?

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Is that typical that you would have an entire sheet of the same card in that product?

Probably added/printed later than the rest of the set...if I had to guess.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Probably added/printed later than the rest of the set...if I had to guess.

Yes. Remember that Jordan came back with the #45 in March 1995. 1994-95 Finest Series 2 was released early to mid-April.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Not sure if this already posted, a new video by SCR called card trimmers, including Evan, Brent, Gary, Mastro, and Dave F.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dYQV9aYNzkg

Very good summary of the most prominent trimmers in the hobby. SCR is doing a good service for the hobby, helping inform people about scams and fraud.

[pip]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Very good summary of the most prominent trimmers in the hobby. SCR is doing a good service for the hobby, helping inform people about scams and fraud.

I don't completely agree. I'm all for calling out card molesters but if you're going to accuse Forman of trimming and then insinuate that BODA is protecting him, let's see some proof.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by pip

I don't completely agree. I'm all for calling out card molesters but if you're going to accuse Forman of trimming and then insinuate that BODA is protecting him, let's see some proof.

Yeah, thought that was a really odd addition to the video.
Looking though the altered threads, SGC doesn't appear to have been excluded from any of the main BODA accounts. Also by design, SGC's random certifications likely prevented more outings.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by pip

I don't completely agree. I'm all for calling out card molesters but if you're going to accuse Forman of trimming and then insinuate that BODA is protecting him, let's see some proof.

SCR needs to make about 5 more videos.
They excluded quite a few.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Yeah, thought that was a really odd addition to the video.
Looking though the altered threads, SGC doesn't appear to have been excluded from any of the main BODA accounts. Also by design, SGC's random certifications likely prevented more outings.

I would agree that the insinuation about BODA was odd and unsubstantiated. And there are people who've trimmed countless cards and made many millions but have just not left much of a paper trail, by design.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by corndog

SCR needs to make about 5 more videos.
They excluded quite a few.

A complete list would be a much longer video.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pip

To be fair, NFTs offer a level of blockchain security that graded cards do not. There are a diversity of useful applications for this type of tech that go well beyond trading cards.

Yes, LOL, I did forget NFTs actually have some “regulation” whereas cards have none!

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by mc1

Yes. Remember that Jordan came back with the #45 in March 1995. 1994-95 Finest Series 2 was released early to mid-April.

Correct. 1994-95 Finest was a 330 card set - then Jordan unretired. Those sheets are 11 x 10 = 110 cards a sheet x 3 = 300. They created a sheet entirely for Jordan because the set was already done and printed.