Should the Warriors trade Jordan Poole?

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by Above the Rim

Absolutely and most definitely a semi-major contributor to their Championship, I don't think Golden State is that stupid to trade him.

They definitely wouldn't be getting back what they'd be losing, so I don't see him getting traded either.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

The OP seemed to insinuate that he could be THE guy for certain teams to build around. I'd definitely agree that Poole is obviously better than DDV.

Poole is a good 6th man. He will never be a #1 on a good team. The Warriors just made the mistake of paying him like a star.

You see, I think DDV is a much better fit for this Warriors team than Poole, even though Poole may be the better player overall.

DDV is a much better defender, and a much better passer, whereas Poole has much better individual scoring skills.

But if I'm the Warriors exec who has to choose between keeping Draymond and DDV next year or keeping Poole, I'm trading Poole.

[advan24r]

Priority is resign Bob Meyers...he's the one behind on creating this roster. Then I would possibly get rid of Klay. Klay isn't himself anymore imo. Everytime he shoots, it makes me cringe just like Draymond. Forces too many shots. Jordan Poole just needs more fluffing by the vets to learn and be his optimal self. He just needs to slow down..or get a better shoe contract.

Just know DDV is supposely the replacement for GP2. Poole is more of a replacement for Klay IMO...definitely not a PG.

[tennelson55]

Here's a list of contract's of whom will range around Poole's salary for the 23-24 season. It seems they're banking on him becoming a major factor. I'm not sure I buy that. I would sell on Poole at that price, but they're the Warriors. I wouldn't have paid him that money, but to see him Walk would have been bad.

28 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
29 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
30 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
31 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
32 Zion Williamson NOP $13,534,817 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $206,384,817
33 Ja Morant MEM $12,119,440 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $204,969,440
34 Darius Garland CLE $8,920,795 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $201,770,795
35 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
36 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
37 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
38 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
39 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
40 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,000
41 Chris Paul PHO $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,000,000 $44,200,000
42 Jaylen Brown BOS $28,741,071 $30,723,215 $59,464,286
43 Kyle Lowry MIA $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $58,015,874
44 Jordan Poole GSW $3,901,399 $28,705,357 $30,901,786 $33,098,215 $35,294,642 $131,901,399
45 DeMar DeRozan CHI $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $55,900,000
46 Draymond Green GSW $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $25,806,468
47 Jaren Jackson Jr. MEM $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395 $104,720,000
48 Tyler Herro MIA $5,722,116 $27,000,000 $29,000,000 $31,000,000 $33,000,000 $125,722,116
49 Jalen Brunson NYK $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001 $79,039,999
50 Julius Randle NYK $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400 $76,982,400
51 John Collins ATL $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000 $102,000,000
52 Mike Conley UTA $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $37,000,000
53 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
54 Anfernee Simons POR $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571 $100,000,000

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

Here's a list of contract's of whom will range around Poole's salary for the 23-24 season. It seems they're banking on him becoming a major factor. I'm not sure I buy that. I would sell on Poole at that price, but they're the Warriors. I wouldn't have paid him that money, but to see him Walk would have been bad.

28 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
29 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
30 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
31 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
32 Zion Williamson NOP $13,534,817 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $206,384,817
33 Ja Morant MEM $12,119,440 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $204,969,440
34 Darius Garland CLE $8,920,795 $33,250,000 $35,910,000 $38,570,000 $41,230,000 $43,890,000 $201,770,795
35 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
36 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
37 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
38 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
39 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
40 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,000
41 Chris Paul PHO $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,000,000 $44,200,000
42 Jaylen Brown BOS $28,741,071 $30,723,215 $59,464,286
43 Kyle Lowry MIA $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $58,015,874
44 Jordan Poole GSW $3,901,399 $28,705,357 $30,901,786 $33,098,215 $35,294,642 $131,901,399
45 DeMar DeRozan CHI $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $55,900,000
46 Draymond Green GSW $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $25,806,468
47 Jaren Jackson Jr. MEM $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395 $104,720,000
48 Tyler Herro MIA $5,722,116 $27,000,000 $29,000,000 $31,000,000 $33,000,000 $125,722,116
49 Jalen Brunson NYK $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001 $79,039,999
50 Julius Randle NYK $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400 $76,982,400
51 John Collins ATL $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000 $102,000,000
52 Mike Conley UTA $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $37,000,000
53 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
54 Anfernee Simons POR $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571 $100,000,000

I just noticed Wiggen's is on this list and is under Poole...

SMH. Maybe injury woe's about Wiggins?

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

I just noticed Wiggen's is on this list and is under Poole...

SMH. Maybe injury woe's about Wiggins?

Nothing like that at all. I'm quite sure he took a little less money to help the Dubs out.

He's already made A LOT thus far and will continue to make good money in the future. Don't think he's worried about missing out on $5-$10 million/year for a couple years as long as it helps the Dubs remain successful. He's pretty happy with the Dubs too.

[bkcardcollector]

Canadian Tax lol, also ya blow up the defending champs lol.

[KhalDrogo]

Poolboi averaging 12.7ppg on 34% shooting and 24% from three. Maybe he’s providing $128M level defense?

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Poolboi averaging 12.7ppg on 34% shooting and 24% from three. Maybe he’s providing $128M level defense?

Warriors made a huge mistake re-signing him to that huge contract last summer instead of letting him became a restricted FA this summer and matching an offer.

He has that blinding first step and speed, but too often fails to finish at the rim and/or gets his shots blocked.

Given the Warriors salary cap situation and depth at guard (they will still have GPIII and Moody under contract next season), I think he'd the most likely to be traded this summer, but I'm not sure what the Warriors will be able to get for him at this point.

[sportzluvr1]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Poolboi averaging 12.7ppg on 34% shooting and 24% from three. Maybe he’s providing $128M level defense?

Man has his defense been bad. His “me first” decision making on O is really killing the Warriors also. So many times he drives and has a wide open guy in the corner (which is exactly how Kerrs offense is designed) but instead decides to throw up some sort of contested finger roll like you would see in the hood of Pasadena.

[REGGIE206]

Should the Warriors trade Poole: ABSOLUTELY

Will any other team take the trade with his salary: PROBABLY NOT

Poole is a pathetic defender. Yes, he can score over 30 every once in a while, but his basketball IQ to lead a team in a close game is way below average. I watch almost every Warriors game and I personally don’t think Poole is anyone’s favorite teammate in the locker room. I cringe when Poole has the ball in the final seconds of a close game.

The Warriors unfortunately overpaid for Poole. I agree, part of his salary could have helped the Warriors re-sign Donte or extend Green.

To be 100% honest, I cannot stand Poole.

[Lankybox]

Nope. All you have to do is look at Curry on his 3rd year. Same thing, a lot of people kept saying he is no superstar and better trade him. And a lot got made of letting Ellis go instead of him. Look at where he is now

[StraWMyerS]

Originally Posted by Lankybox

Nope. All you have to do is look at Curry on his 3rd year. Same thing, a lot of people kept saying he is no superstar and better trade him. And a lot got made of letting Ellis go instead of him. Look at where he is now

In other words, any scoring combo guard who is struggling in year 3 for Golden State should have a team built around him and expect multiple titles?

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Lankybox

Nope. All you have to do is look at Curry on his 3rd year. Same thing, a lot of people kept saying he is no superstar and better trade him. And a lot got made of letting Ellis go instead of him. Look at where he is now

I've yet to see any evidence that Poole has Curry's work ethic....Steph worked really hard for years to improve his defense.

[REGGIE206]

Originally Posted by Lankybox

Nope. All you have to do is look at Curry on his 3rd year. Same thing, a lot of people kept saying he is no superstar and better trade him. And a lot got made of letting Ellis go instead of him. Look at where he is now

You do understand that Poole is at the end of his 4th year??

What happened with Curry doesn’t always happen.

[90sbasketballin]

I have been a fan of Jordan Poole since his rookie year (didn't get into his cards, though), and here are some things I think we should all remember:

He's 23 years old. This is a 4-year contract that will last until he's 27. It may not prove to be worth it in the short-run, but Poole will develop A LOT + take on a bigger role over the course of these next four years as he learns from the veterans he's surrounded by. It's just stupid to jump the gun and immediately draw conclusions based on his current performance, knowing contracts are made based on how the front office projects his career will pan out in these few years.

Yes, he's streaky and inconsistent. His defense sucks (and will most likely continue to be). He comes off as selfish, making dumb and questionable decisions.

But the TALENT is there. His skills (whether that be his handle,his ability to create space, or his tough shot-making ability) are extremely solid, and he's going to continue to make strides in his game. His job is solely to be a bucket. With time, he'll learn to play at his own pace and make smarter plays. Right now is still the learning curve.

Some guys just need time to develop and learn. I can see him becoming a CJ Mccollum-esque player with time. But remember players like Pascal Siakam, Draymond Green, Julius Randle, and Kyle Lowry who all needed time to become the greats they are today. Not saying he's like any of those guys but to give up on him this early in his career is just foolish.

[KhalDrogo]

A bucket who shoots 33.9% from three despite benefiting from the best spacing in the league. Yeah, that’s worth $100M.

[90sbasketballin]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

A bucket who shoots 33.9% from three despite benefiting from the best spacing in the league. Yeah, that’s worth $100M.

Once again, the front office makes contracts based on the future trajectory of their players. Things they see on the floor, in their practices, and behind closed doors. It's the eye test from professionals who dedicate their life to analyzing the game, and they see clearly see something special in him.

We all know the flaws of Poole's game. No one isn't acknowledging them. You can bring the numbers into the discussion, but everyone who watches basketball knows numbers don't always tell the full story.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by 90sbasketballin

Once again, the front office makes contracts based on the future trajectory of their players. Things they see on the floor, in their practices, and behind closed doors. It's the eye test from professionals who dedicate their life to analyzing the game, and they see clearly see something special in him.

We all know the flaws of Poole's game. No one isn't acknowledging them. You can bring the numbers into the discussion, but everyone who watches basketball knows numbers don't always tell the full story.

Same front office who saw something special in James Wiseman. They don’t get every player right.

[90sbasketballin]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Same front office who saw something special in James Wiseman. They don’t get every player right.

Yes, they don't get every player right, but Wiseman was in a completely different situation.

For one, he was always injured and hardly got any PT, but there are public reports that the franchise still saw something special in him but ultimately, needed to move him as he didn't fit with their timeline as a raw prospect who lacks experience. He needs time to fit the role they need him to play, but they're in a win-now situation and want to contend.

The Warrior's offense is driven by perimeter play and getting their guards open for threes. They simply wanted Wiseman to be a rim protector and screen-setting big rather than the offensive juggernaut he was going to become.

Wasn't doubt about his talent. It was about his role.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by 90sbasketballin

I have been a fan of Jordan Poole since his rookie year (didn't get into his cards, though), and here are some things I think we should all remember:

He's 23 years old. This is a 4-year contract that will last until he's 27. It may not prove to be worth it in the short-run, but Poole will develop A LOT + take on a bigger role over the course of these next four years as he learns from the veterans he's surrounded by. It's just stupid to jump the gun and immediately draw conclusions based on his current performance, knowing contracts are made based on how the front office projects his career will pan out in these few years.

Yes, he's streaky and inconsistent. His defense sucks (and will most likely continue to be). He comes off as selfish, making dumb and questionable decisions.

But the TALENT is there. His skills (whether that be his handle,his ability to create space, or his tough shot-making ability) are extremely solid, and he's going to continue to make strides in his game. His job is solely to be a bucket. With time, he'll learn to play at his own pace and make smarter plays. Right now is still the learning curve.

Some guys just need time to develop and learn. I can see him becoming a CJ Mccollum-esque player with time. But remember players like Pascal Siakam, Draymond Green, Julius Randle, and Kyle Lowry who all needed time to become the greats they are today. Not saying he's like any of those guys but to give up on him this early in his career is just foolish.

That may be true, but the Warriors are going to be faced with a HUGE tax bill this offseason unless they get rid of either Klay, Dray, or Poole.

Now it's possible that they break up the gang by trading Klay or letting Dray walk, but which of those three do you think is the most likely to be traded?

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by mfw13

That may be true, but the Warriors are going to be faced with a HUGE tax bill this offseason unless they get rid of either Klay, Dray, or Poole.

Now it's possible that they break up the gang by trading Klay or letting Dray walk, but which of those three do you think is the most likely to be traded?

I think Klay stays and rides out his last year of the contract (maybe re-ups at much lower deal). Dray may test the free agent market. His ego may think his value is much higher on the open market. The other part of me thinks he will exercise the player option for next year and run it back one more year. Than he will retire and get into the media business full time.

As for Poole, I would trade him. To me he is the ultimate get paid and coast kind of player. He coasted in college. I don't think he will ever be a high effort kind of player.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Same front office who saw something special in James Wiseman. They don’t get every player right.

they DID see the talent in Wiseman but then when he got on the team they saw overall he didn't fit the offensive dynamic that they were used to. Pistons seem to have found a better use for his assets on the team with his averaging 13 points and 8 rebounds in 25 minutes

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by duwal

Pistons seem to have found a better use for his assets on the team with his averaging 13 points and 8 rebounds in 25 minutes

Duren averaged 9/9 with barely any utilization on high effiency, and has better defense with 2 less years of NBA experience.

Wiseman is not good. He's never been good. And it's not system dependent. His days as an NBA starter are all but over. Will most likely be a career journeyman in the mold of Kevin Knox.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I think Klay stays and rides out his last year of the contract (maybe re-ups at much lower deal). Dray may test the free agent market. His ego may think his value is much higher on the open market. The other part of me thinks he will exercise the player option for next year and run it back one more year. Than he will retire and get into the media business full time.

As for Poole, I would trade him. To me he is the ultimate get paid and coast kind of player. He coasted in college. I don't think he will ever be a high effort kind of player.

Whoa -- whoa. Poole is reportedly a hard worker. He just needs to keep refining his game.

I saw a report from Woj that said Klay is expecting a max deal.