New BGS turnaround time tracker

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by rohara99

Dare to dream brother..... dare to dream.

As a diehard fan of Beckett (specifically their subgrades and inner sleeve) this might push me over the edge to change. I'll wait and see how it shakes out (I still think Beckett has to pivot from this change due to backlash) but the OCD I have of needing my PC to all be in the same slabs leaves a daunting task to crack and sub to PSA.

My major hold up at this point is the paper cards bouncing around in PSA slabs... drives me up the wall.

Edit: Like you posted in the other thread Beckett isn't going to have any BGS 10's out there, their pop of 10/9.5/9.5/9.5 is so low they're screwed. They'll have to pivot from this change IMO. And the fact that they dont know this or didn't check their own god damn pop reports is infuriating.

Indeed. The grading scale was perfectly fine. There wasn’t an obsession with having a 10 on the label until recent years. For close to two decades, the BGS 9.5 was a great grade. Now, even BGS is saying it’s not a great grade. It’s baffling.

BGS values have declined because BGS leadership have done little to improve the brand. This despite the customers telling them for years what needed to be done.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Indeed. The grading scale was perfectly fine. There wasn’t an obsession with having a 10 on the label until recent years. For close to two decades, the BGS 9.5 was a great grade. Now, even BGS is saying it’s not a great grade. It’s baffling.

BGS values have declined because BGS leadership have done little to improve the brand. This despite the customers telling them for years what needed to be done.

Years of customer feedback < months of feedback from "hobby participants".

[waytoomanycards]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Indeed. The grading scale was perfectly fine. There wasn’t an obsession with having a 10 on the label until recent years. For close to two decades, the BGS 9.5 was a great grade. Now, even BGS is saying it’s not a great grade. It’s baffling.

BGS values have declined because BGS leadership have done little to improve the brand. This despite the customers telling them for years what needed to be done.

Yeah, the early 2000's was probably their peak in terms of secondary market prices, and gems only had 9.5 on the front labels and many sellers didn't provide back scans. If you cared about the sub-grades, you often had to guess whether the seller wrote them in the same order as they appeared or look up the certs on beckett's site. And none of that really mattered.

If there's a problem with the new crowd not knowing what 9.5 means, it's only because beckett hasn't given them enough of a reason to use their services. Everyone learns the standards once they go through the process.

This may have been addressed, but my first question to them would be how much more volume they're prepared to handle. Assuming they come up with something that draws more people in...then what?

[auburn35]

Humorous video of Beckett discussing the backtrack.
We listened to the hobby, collectors, customers....it's like a survey, we never really did.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1642271935269838848

Who were the "hobby participants" that Beckett referenced in their now deleted posts, if not the "hobby, collectors and customers" noted in the prior video?

On that topic, here's a good video from Deadshot.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by TBT

Yeah, my comment was made before seeing the image they published and their plan to downgrade 85% of existing Gem Mint 9.5s to the term Mint+. I agree with you that they should keep it simple. But I think they held the logical high ground by equating “gem mint” with 9.5. To me, that actually was keeping it simple versus PSA. On a scale of 1-10, 10 is perfect or flawless or “pristine”. There can be no better score. Intuitively, very few cards should be called flawless and receive a 10. PSA’s scale leaves a lot to be desired for high end collectors for this reason. But rather than just acknowledging that there is actually an opportunity to highlight cards in between gem mint and pristine with a Gem Mint+ designation, BGS decided to change their 20+ year definition of what “gem mint” is. And they seem to be doing so in an effort to attract the less sophisticated low-end PSA 10 flipper crowd than the more sophisticated high-end collector crowd with which they actually had a strong value proposition.

A true case study in mismanagement. I hate to say it because I preferred BGS’s system for my collection, but I don’t know why they’re really needed any more after this change. They’re effectively validating PSA’s grading scale and helping to alleviate the flaw in it while also conceding that they themselves have “done it wrong” for over 20 years.

Changing their scale and turning 9.5's into 10's really doesn't undermine their historical grades as long as they keep subgrades in tact. Their subgrades differentiates their minimum grades from true grades. A minimum pristine card will still be a pristine card as long as the subgrades say so.

The problem would be if they contradict past subgrades by suddenly downgrading quad 9.5's to Mint+. You can't contradict past grades just for the sake of a new business strategy. It would upend the market and undermined your brand.

[TBT]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Changing their scale and turning 9.5's into 10's really doesn't undermine their historical grades as long as they keep subgrades in tact. Their subgrades differentiates their minimum grades from true grades. A minimum pristine card will still be a pristine card as long as the subgrades say so.

The problem would be if they contradict past subgrades by suddenly downgrading quad 9.5's to Mint+. You can't contradict past grades just for the sake of a new business strategy. It would upend the market and undermined your brand.

I agree with you. Turn the high end 9.5s into a 10 and call it “Gem Mint+”. Then leave the existing “min” 9.5s Gem Mt exactly as they are. I personally wouldn’t have multiple tiers of “Pristine” designations since that word literally means “perfect”, and “perfect” is a singular concept. You do not have tiers of perfect. I think most people would be fine with there being as little overlap as possible between number/name/label colour combos. Like this:

9 (silver) - Mint
9.5 (gold) - Gem Mt
10 (gold) - Gem Mt+
10 (black) - Pristine

There’s no getting around the overlap of gold and the overlap of 10, but we all know why it’s there and it reflects the nuanced reality of card conditions. Dropping the terminology associated with existing BGS 10s from “pristine” to “Gem Mt+” would have zero impact on my view of those cards and their value. They are high end Gem Mint cards that are virtually guaranteed to be in better condition than SOME percentage of PSA 10s of the same card, just because PSA has more variation in its Gem Mt designation. In other words, the existing BGS 10s maintain their position as the second best/most valuable grade in the hobby, despite losing “pristine” labeling in favour of the more logically coherent and correct “Gem Mt+” label.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by TBT

I agree with you. Turn the high end 9.5s into a 10 and call it “Gem Mint+”. Then leave the existing “min” 9.5s Gem Mt exactly as they are. I personally wouldn’t have multiple tiers of “Pristine” designations since that word literally means “perfect”, and “perfect” is a singular concept. You do not have tiers of perfect. I think most people would be fine with there being as little overlap as possible between number/name/label colour combos. Like this:

9 (silver) - Mint
9.5 (gold) - Gem Mt
10 (gold) - Gem Mt+
10 (black) - Pristine

There’s no getting around the overlap of gold and the overlap of 10, but we all know why it’s there and it reflects the nuanced reality of card conditions. Dropping the terminology associated with existing BGS 10s from “pristine” to “Gem Mt+” would have zero impact on my view of those cards and their value. They are high end Gem Mint cards that are virtually guaranteed to be in better condition than SOME percentage of PSA 10s of the same card, just because PSA has more variation in its Gem Mt designation. In other words, the existing BGS 10s maintain their position as the second best/most valuable grade in the hobby, despite losing “pristine” labeling in favour of the more logically coherent and correct “Gem Mt+” label.

Agreed to both and I like this as one of the most favorable proposals out there.

[HalfNipponese]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Humorous video of Beckett discussing the backtrack.
We listened to the hobby, collectors, customers....it's like a survey, we never really did.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1642271935269838848

Who were the "hobby participants" that Beckett referenced in their now deleted posts, if not the "hobby, collectors and customers" noted in the prior video?

On that topic, here's a good video from Deadshot.

Poor Dave from Beckett sounded like he was giving a hostage statement. Did anyone else notice the $7 show special sign on the Beckett booth? It looked like it was taped on.

[Borehag]

Level: Priority (Full Swing Special)
Number of Cards: 1
Sent to BGS: 3/31
Received BGS: 4/3
Grades: 4/4

9.5/8.0/7.5/8.5 overal 8 with 10 auto

Not sure why it got the 8.0 for corners thought at least 8.5 as thicker card,
same with the 7.5 for edges would of thought at least 8.0-8.5 and surface of 8.5 makes no sense either as I couldn’t see anything wrong with it figured that would of 9.0 as minimum.

I want to get a review but I know you can’t dispute/challenge grades with BGS but can you still do Graded Card Review submissions and try get it assessed that way and just put in minimum grade so it don’t come back worse in case of salty reviewer?

[justrun7]

My BAS Black Friday order finally shipped today. 6 autographs of the 42 did not pass authentication, but I am glad they are finally on their way.

[rohara99]

Originally Posted by justrun7

My BAS Black Friday order finally shipped today. 6 autographs of the 42 did not pass authentication, but I am glad they are finally on their way.

Were they TTM, IP or what exactly?

[imbluestreak23]

Level: Priority (Full Swing Special)
Number of Cards: 8
Sent to BGS: 3/27/23
Received: 3/28/23
Grading Email Received: 3/30/23
Grading Finished Email Received from BGS: 4/4/23

Went 4/8
2/4 on PSA 9 pop outs

S.No # Set Name Player Name Final Grade Auto Grade Cert #
15590184 2020 Panini Legacy Legacy Patch Autographs Sapphire Patrick Mahomes II/7 9 10.0 NG
15590190 2022 Bowman Chrome X Red X-Fractors Julio Rodriguez 9.5 0.0 NG
15590211 2021 Topps Dynasty Autograph Patches Aaron Judge 9 10.0 NG
15590214 2022 Topps Chrome Black Autographs Shohei Ohtani 9.5 10.0 NG
15590215 2022 Topps Chrome Black Autographs Shohei Ohtani 9.5 10.0 NG
15590218 2022 Topps Chrome Black Autographs Gold Mini Diamond Refractors Shohei Ohtani 8.5 10.0 NG
15590221 2022 Topps Chrome Black Autographs Gold Mini Diamond Refractors Shohei Ohtani 8.5 10.0 NG
15590226 2022 Topps Pristine Pristine Pair Dual Autographs Mike Trout/Shohei Ohtani 9.5 10.0 NG

[justrun7]

Originally Posted by rohara99

Were they TTM, IP or what exactly?

I didn't have them signed myself. Most were from the same collection and some came from random lots. I didn't expect all to pass so only 6 not passing out of 42 isn't too bad. I was on the fence on 3 that didn't pass. The other 3 I thought were good but I guess Beckett thought otherwise.

[evileddie]

What is the process these days to get the description on the flip changed? I have a mislabeled MJ card I want to send in with some other cards. Can I just choose relabel on the website and then write on the form that the description is mislabeled?

[justrun7]

Finally got my BAS Black Friday order in hand today.





Back of the Rizzuto Hall of Fame Plaque:

[larry25]

Originally Posted by justrun7

Finally got my BAS Black Friday order in hand today.





Back of the Rizzuto Hall of Fame Plaque:

Very cool! I like the look of these. Quick question: why do only a few have grades? Did you specify something specific for those (or for the entire order)?

[justrun7]

Originally Posted by larry25

Very cool! I like the look of these. Quick question: why do only a few have grades? Did you specify something specific for those (or for the entire order)?

You have to pay extra for grading as BAS is different from BGS. The graded cards have subgrades and the back and you are forced to get a grade on the autograph when done. It is about $40-$50 extra per card.

[MOONBASE1]

Like the Scooter Postcard.

[Borehag]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Level: Priority (Full Swing Special)
Number of Cards: 8
Sent to BGS: 3/27/23
Received: 3/28/23
Grading Email Received: 3/30/23
Grading Finished Email Received from BGS: 4/4/23

Went 4/8
2/4 on PSA 9 pop outs

S.No # Set Name Player Name Final Grade Auto Grade Cert #
15590184 2020 Panini Legacy Legacy Patch Autographs Sapphire Patrick Mahomes II/7 9 10.0 NG
15590190 2022 Bowman Chrome X Red X-Fractors Julio Rodriguez 9.5 0.0 NG
15590211 2021 Topps Dynasty Autograph Patches Aaron Judge 9 10.0 NG
15590214 2022 Topps Chrome Black Autographs Shohei Ohtani 9.5 10.0 NG
15590215 2022 Topps Chrome Black Autographs Shohei Ohtani 9.5 10.0 NG
15590218 2022 Topps Chrome Black Autographs Gold Mini Diamond Refractors Shohei Ohtani 8.5 10.0 NG
15590221 2022 Topps Chrome Black Autographs Gold Mini Diamond Refractors Shohei Ohtani 8.5 10.0 NG
15590226 2022 Topps Pristine Pristine Pair Dual Autographs Mike Trout/Shohei Ohtani 9.5 10.0 NG

So does that mean you will get 8x the Zion cases?

[Jaypers]

Used the collector's club special. Grades popped on Day 62.

They gave me an "altered" on a Wander Franco Chrome Auto I pulled from a pack.

I don't think I'll be using them again anytime soon.

[fordcollector]

have had a 2-5 day express there for 6 business days now nothing yet

[evileddie]

I just did a 3 card Standard order and wrote in a 1 card relabel on my submission form. Anyone have any experiences doing this? I'm not paying the relabel fee, insurance, and return shipping separately on just 1 card, that was their fault for mislabeling in the first place.

[TheTCGenius]

Originally Posted by evileddie

I just did a 3 card Standard order and wrote in a 1 card relabel on my submission form. Anyone have any experiences doing this? I'm not paying the relabel fee, insurance, and return shipping separately on just 1 card, that was their fault for mislabeling in the first place.

you should have reached out to them prior - typically they will take care of it

[HalfNipponese]

Has anyone received any bulk services from BGS recently? I'll be hitting 5 months in a couple days. Just curious if things are on hold until they make a decision on the labels. I'm looking forward to the BGS White Label Gem Mint+ 10.

[Y2Hood]

My bulk guy got some January stuff back toward the end of last week.