How much money did investors lose on Cody Bellinger? - Page 2

speedyjg13 · 04-15-2023, 01:34 PM

PC collectors lost nothing.

The "investors" lost everything.

majestik101 · 04-15-2023, 02:15 PM

Probably $200.

I lost much, much more on Corey Seager though.

Between Belli-Bust and Seager, probably $2K

PokeyAndG · 04-15-2023, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by majestik101

Probably $200.

I lost much, much more on Corey Seager though.

Between Belli-Bust and Seager, probably $2K

I was about to go all in on Cody a few years ago since I thought it was a sure thing but never raised enough funds for his high end cards.

jbyanks1 · 04-15-2023, 03:14 PM

I bought 2 of his BCAs for $20 each when they came out. Sold one for $100 and the other went for $595 raw when he was having a crazy year.

When you sell makes all the difference.

no10pin · 04-15-2023, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by WaxPax

Everyone will claim to have sold off everything and made huge gains before the downward trend...We all know nobody loses money prospecting...

Yep, and if anyone actually admits to losing, at least they 'didn't get hurt too bad'.

cardsin47 · 04-15-2023, 03:16 PM

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ronzo · 04-15-2023, 03:34 PM

Can't take a loss if you just never sell! Seems to be the mentality the past few years.

hermanotarjeta · 04-15-2023, 03:39 PM

Cody got hot pre-pandemic so investor bois didn’t lose too much.

jhssketchcards · 04-15-2023, 03:40 PM

Not as much as Tatis bois

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callou2131 · 04-15-2023, 04:05 PM

I got lucky. I had some expensive home repairs I needed done and sold off all my Bellinger's at peak. If I didn't need the money I would have held. I think i may still have a few base Chrome updates somewhere, but thats it. Most i made was on a Gold chrome update

Squareburgers · 04-15-2023, 04:43 PM

imagine Kris Bryant/ Luis Robert collectors bank accounts.

fabiani12333 · 04-15-2023, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Squareburgers

imagine Kris Bryant/ Luis Robert collectors bank accounts.

Kris Bryant was one player I was interested in collecting. He had such a great start to his career -- ROY, MVP, World Series title. It's pretty remarkable that he was never signed to a long term deal with the Cubs and made a franchise cornerstone. I do know that he had a dispute with them over service time manipulation.

I have a nice dual auto of him with Ryne Sandberg.

His career arc is pretty similar to Troy Glaus, who I used to compared him to.

MattRoc · 04-15-2023, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsin47

I don’t think Investors bought Bellinger - more of a PC kinda’ Player

That's just not true. His MVP year was before the pandemic boom, but Cody had just about everything you could want in a young player. Gorgeous swing, played in a major market, won an MVP, true 4/5 tool player, all of his important metrics supported his "baseball card" numbers, and had 111 home runs and 14-15 WAR after his age 23 season. He had the true indicators and makings of a perennial top 10 player, Hall of Famer, and someone who had a great shot at joining the 500 (if not more) home run club.

His is just a story of "what-ifs" that we might not see again in baseball for a really long time.

PokeyAndG · 04-15-2023, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MattRoc

That's just not true. His MVP year was before the pandemic boom, but Cody had just about everything you could want in a young player. Gorgeous swing, played in a major market, won an MVP, true 4/5 tool player, all of his important metrics supported his "baseball card" numbers, and had 111 home runs and 14-15 WAR after his age 23 season. He had the true indicators and makings of a perennial top 10 player, Hall of Famer, and someone who had a great shot at joining the 500 (if not more) home run club.

His is just a story of "what-ifs" that we might not see again in baseball for a really long time.

yup, at that time he was a "sure" thing.

Triple B · 04-15-2023, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolten Joe

Better question is why were people investing in Bellinger after 1 good season in which even he said he was surprised.

He haunted my breaks during his rookie year and one interview I saw during that season where he expressed his own surprise at what he was doing made me sell everything. No one saw that level of drop-off coming.

Stifle · 04-15-2023, 06:45 PM

With the new rules, it’s kind of early to speculate. He came into the league where being a dead pull hitter was going to crush his statistics.

Bambino22 · 04-15-2023, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

PC collectors lost nothing.

The "investors" lost everything.

Most PC collectors still want some long term value. For sure they loose out also.

I've never sold a Yordan or Soto card. But if they stop playing tomorrow, it would be something to me.

Stifle · 04-15-2023, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MattRoc

That's just not true. His MVP year was before the pandemic boom, but Cody had just about everything you could want in a young player. Gorgeous swing, played in a major market, won an MVP, true 4/5 tool player, all of his important metrics supported his "baseball card" numbers, and had 111 home runs and 14-15 WAR after his age 23 season. He had the true indicators and makings of a perennial top 10 player, Hall of Famer, and someone who had a great shot at joining the 500 (if not more) home run club.

His is just a story of "what-ifs" that we might not see again in baseball for a really long time.

That’s just not true either. Cody came into a league where analytics : relief pitching, shifting, etc we’re destroying dead pull hitters. Cody is a true dead pull hitter. It was going to catch up to him and it did.

MoreToppsPlease · 04-15-2023, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

Most PC collectors still want some long term value. For sure they loose out also.

I've never sold a Yordan or Soto card. But if they stop playing tomorrow, it would be something to me.

Meh, PC collectors have long resigned to losing out on value. Their mission in buying is not to get taken advantage of by the flippers, opportunists and “investors”.

IronCladLou · 04-15-2023, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You don’t see early Judge investors complaining.

I really regret not buying some Judge when it was rock bottom a couple of years ago

fabiani12333 · 04-15-2023, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stifle

With the new rules, it’s kind of early to speculate. He came into the league where being a dead pull hitter was going to crush his statistics.

His Statcast-based expected stats tanked after his shoulder injury during the 2020 World Series. They've never recovered. He isn't a victim of the shift. He was even able to hit. 305 in 2019 with the shift being commonly deployed.

ewokpelts · 04-15-2023, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Kris Bryant was one player I was interested in collecting. He had such a great start to his career -- ROY, MVP, World Series title. It's pretty remarkable that he was never signed to a long term deal with the Cubs and made a franchise cornerstone. I do know that he had a dispute with them over service time manipulation.

I have a nice dual auto of him with Ryne Sandberg.

His career arc is pretty similar to Troy Glaus, who I used to compared him to.

He’s a boras guy. And boras wants his guys to hit free agency. Some take extensions but not nearly enough. Plus, the ricketts trust fund babies aren’t going to tie up their dad’s money in depreciating assets. And of course, they’re anti-union so naturally they are loath to pay talent. Even talent that brought them massive profits and enterprise value.

Stifle · 04-15-2023, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

His Statcast-based expected stats tanked after his shoulder injury during the 2020 World Series. They've never recovered. He isn't a victim of the shift. He was even able to hit. 305 in 2019 with the shift being commonly deployed.

Only problem is, the league starts to compile what pitches and the locations that Cody would dominate or struggle with. Let’s use the numbers (Baseball Reference) 154 regular season Home Runtime of s - only 2 opposite field, 161 tOPS+ Pulled, 66 tOPS+ Opposite field. Cody doesn’t utilize 1/3 of the field, and the opponents know this. Sometimes it takes time to realize this.

Ian Kinsler, Mike Moustakus, Joey Gallo we’re all strong hitters but all 3 dropped off significantly within the same time period.

ninjacookies · 04-15-2023, 09:58 PM

Yelich, Matt Kemp, Braun, Buxton....nothing new.

LVDan · 04-15-2023, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Yelich, Matt Kemp, Braun, Buxton....nothing new.

But Wander and Julio will surely buck that trend, right?? Or is it Walker now?

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04-15-2023, 04:05 PM	#35
callou2131 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Centreville, Md Posts: 8,488	I got lucky. I had some expensive home repairs I needed done and sold off all my Bellinger's at peak. If I didn't need the money I would have held. I think i may still have a few base Chrome updates somewhere, but thats it. Most i made was on a Gold chrome update __________________ Sent using US Airways Wifi

04-15-2023, 09:58 PM	#49
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04-15-2023, 02:15 PM	#27
majestik101 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 45,526 majestik101	Probably $200. I lost much, much more on Corey Seager though. Between Belli-Bust and Seager, probably $2K

04-15-2023, 03:14 PM	#29
jbyanks1 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: VA Posts: 1,165 jbyanks1	I bought 2 of his BCAs for $20 each when they came out. Sold one for $100 and the other went for $595 raw when he was having a crazy year. When you sell makes all the difference.

04-15-2023, 03:34 PM	#32
ronzo Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 323	Can't take a loss if you just never sell! Seems to be the mentality the past few years.

04-15-2023, 03:39 PM	#33
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 23,334	Cody got hot pre-pandemic so investor bois didn’t lose too much.

04-15-2023, 03:40 PM	#34
jhssketchcards Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 11,459 jhssketchcards2012	Not as much as Tatis bois Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-15-2023, 04:43 PM	#36
Squareburgers Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 249	imagine Kris Bryant/ Luis Robert collectors bank accounts.

04-15-2023, 06:45 PM	#41
Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,600 Stifle	With the new rules, it’s kind of early to speculate. He came into the league where being a dead pull hitter was going to crush his statistics.