"Where Did That Patch Come From?" Identifying Warm-Up Relics From the Panini Era

Deadshot · 03-25-2023, 03:17 AM

About a week ago, I was telling someone that Panini uses a lot of warm-up pieces in their relic cards (especially from the Adidas era), and this person seemed surprised and wanted more info.

That sent me down a rabbit hole where I identified roughly 200 relic cards (that includes multiple copies of some). It was easier to record my findings as part of a video. I realize a 40-minute video isn't for everyone, and I didn't mean to make it that long...but here we are.

Here's a small sample of what you'll find in the video:

If you enjoy that sort of thing, here's the link to watch it in full:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BG2GuaThLc

Siblix181 · 03-25-2023, 05:10 AM

wow awesome gonna watch the whole thing, u should do more

Chris P · 03-25-2023, 09:13 AM

Very interesting. One of the many reasons manufacturers switched the wording on their memorabilia cards to be so vague. I still kinda think while technically not doing anything wrong, it's misleading as I'd guess most collectors assume it's only or mostly actual game used jerseys being used. I still don't understand why they can't identify all memorabilia cards as what they actually are like it used to be done (warm ups, shorts, shooting shirts etc). I mean they still every once in a while do this (like the All Star Warmup cards in Immaculate from the last year or so)

Deadshot · 03-25-2023, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Siblix181

wow awesome gonna watch the whole thing, u should do more

Thank you! I'll try to add more of this content in the future.

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Originally Posted by Chris P

Very interesting. One of the many reasons manufacturers switched the wording on their memorabilia cards to be so vague. I still kinda think while technically not doing anything wrong, it's misleading as I'd guess most collectors assume it's only or mostly actual game used jerseys being used. I still don't understand why they can't identify all memorabilia cards as what they actually are like it used to be done (warm ups, shorts, shooting shirts etc). I mean they still every once in a while do this (like the All Star Warmup cards in Immaculate from the last year or so)

I think part of the problem is, even then, mistakes were made. A good example of that is the Fleer Antoine Walker card I showed in the video. If they tried to label stuff and made mistakes (which would happen because they're pulling from so many sources), we would be critical of them.

PSA2Pac · 03-26-2023, 01:09 PM

I’ll check the video once I’m home, love stuff like this.

I could be wrong but isn’t it also that Panini isn’t even claiming that most patches are from the player who’s card it’s attached to? Even for game worn patches, do we know if, a Curry patch for example, came from a gameworn Curry piece? I mean I assume some are legit but we’ve all seen examples of name patch letters that aren’t even in a players name lol

I love game worn patches and wish we would see card companies trend towards giving us real deal provenance but I’ve been so off put from things trending the opposite direction that I don’t seek out these cards anymore and sell any I pull/have acquired.

Chris P · 03-26-2023, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

I’ll check the video once I’m home, love stuff like this.

I could be wrong but isn’t it also that Panini isn’t even claiming that most patches are from the player who’s card it’s attached to? Even for game worn patches, do we know if, a Curry patch for example, came from a gameworn Curry piece? I mean I assume some are legit but we’ve all seen examples of name patch letters that aren’t even in a players name lol

I love game worn patches and wish we would see card companies trend towards giving us real deal provenance but I’ve been so off put from things trending the opposite direction that I don’t seek out these cards anymore and sell any I pull/have acquired.

Yeah a lot of modern mem cards don't mention the player's name at all..that includes Topps with their baseball relics too (sans the MLB Authenticated ones)

Deadshot · 03-26-2023, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

I’ll check the video once I’m home, love stuff like this.

I could be wrong but isn’t it also that Panini isn’t even claiming that most patches are from the player who’s card it’s attached to? Even for game worn patches, do we know if, a Curry patch for example, came from a gameworn Curry piece? I mean I assume some are legit but we’ve all seen examples of name patch letters that aren’t even in a players name lol

I love game worn patches and wish we would see card companies trend towards giving us real deal provenance but I’ve been so off put from things trending the opposite direction that I don’t seek out these cards anymore and sell any I pull/have acquired.

The wording is vague enough that yes, a lot of this stuff could have been worn by anyone on the team. Can you give me an example of a game-worn patch with the wrong letters though? The only ones I've seen have been from the non-associated stuff this past season. And it was all teams that had 2 rookies with patch cards (Pacers with Duarte/Jackson, Warriors with Wiseman/Kuminga, etc).

johnyensmith123 · 03-26-2023, 11:48 PM

awesome work as always, thanks Deadshot!

Lee42 · 03-27-2023, 12:07 AM

Sensational video.....very well done!

smalltown · 03-27-2023, 12:31 PM

Well done Kyle! Anyone who loves patch cards should check this out!

Deadshot · 03-27-2023, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by johnyensmith123

awesome work as always, thanks Deadshot!

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Originally Posted by Lee42

Sensational video.....very well done!

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Originally Posted by smalltown

Well done Kyle! Anyone who loves patch cards should check this out!

Thanks for tuning in, guys!

CubKings · 03-27-2023, 02:37 PM

On some cards, especially ones with lighter material colors or plain white backgrounds, you can use a bright light and shine through the relic and you make out some names on the stickers Panini uses to have the players name on the material.

pcptrade · 03-27-2023, 02:43 PM

Great job as usual! Thanks for sharing it.

Deadshot · 03-27-2023, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CubKings

On some cards, especially ones with lighter material colors or plain white backgrounds, you can use a bright light and shine through the relic and you make out some names on the stickers Panini uses to have the players name on the material.

While this is true, in this case, I'm not really concerned about the possibility of the wrong player wearing the material.

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Great job as usual! Thanks for sharing it.

Thanks for watching!

Mattchanman · 03-29-2023, 12:40 AM

Couldn't figure out where the Joker patches came from. Great investigative work!

Deadshot · 03-29-2023, 05:18 AM

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Couldn't figure out where the Joker patches came from. Great investigative work!

Thanks! Panini got a TON of warm-ups from the Nuggets.

lyyca · 03-29-2023, 02:29 PM

You are a gem, Deadshot! Thanks for the video!

Round Mound · 03-30-2023, 03:24 AM

Super job as usual. I can see I am not the only one doing that type of searches

Beavers98 · 03-30-2023, 09:53 AM

Thanks for the research. I'm ok with warm-ups. I mean yeah I'd prefer a jersey, but if the guy actually wore it cool. Who knows with the ambiguous "it's off the rack at Scheels" type statements on cards now. smh

Deadshot · 03-30-2023, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lyyca

You are a gem, Deadshot! Thanks for the video!

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Round Mound

Super job as usual. I can see I am not the only one doing that type of searches

I really enjoyed your Barkley sneaker thread!

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Thanks for the research. I'm ok with warm-ups. I mean yeah I'd prefer a jersey, but if the guy actually wore it cool. Who knows with the ambiguous "it's off the rack at Scheels" type statements on cards now. smh

I generally still trust Panini when it comes to veteran relics. The non-associated stuff is a whole other issue.

mindcycle · 04-01-2023, 12:08 PM

Not sure how I missed this but this is great stuff man!

I always wondered where all the 2 color Nuggets warm up stuff they used for 17-18 cards came from. Now I know!

Deadshot · 04-01-2023, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mindcycle

Not sure how I missed this but this is great stuff man!

I always wondered where all the 2 color Nuggets warm up stuff they used for 17-18 cards came from. Now I know!

Thank you! If you're a Nuggets patch collector...you're in luck. Warm-up pieces for days lol

03-25-2023, 03:17 AM	#1
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	"Where Did That Patch Come From?" Identifying Warm-Up Relics From the Panini Era About a week ago, I was telling someone that Panini uses a lot of warm-up pieces in their relic cards (especially from the Adidas era), and this person seemed surprised and wanted more info. That sent me down a rabbit hole where I identified roughly 200 relic cards (that includes multiple copies of some). It was easier to record my findings as part of a video. I realize a 40-minute video isn't for everyone, and I didn't mean to make it that long...but here we are. Here's a small sample of what you'll find in the video: If you enjoy that sort of thing, here's the link to watch it in full: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BG2GuaThLc __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

03-27-2023, 12:31 PM	#10
smalltown Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 17,243 ifeature	Well done Kyle! Anyone who loves patch cards should check this out! __________________ Collecting: Raptors, Canadian Basketball Players, Vintage & More. PC: https://www.instagram.com/smalltown.cards/

03-27-2023, 02:37 PM	#12
CubKings Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Earth Posts: 6,518	On some cards, especially ones with lighter material colors or plain white backgrounds, you can use a bright light and shine through the relic and you make out some names on the stickers Panini uses to have the players name on the material. __________________ NBA: Marbury, Jordan, Kobe, Westbrook, KD, AI, Jazz MLB: Chicago Cubs, Stanton, Aramis Ramirez, Sosa NFL: Minnesota Vikings, Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson https://sportscardalbum.com/u/cublife

03-27-2023, 02:43 PM	#13
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03-29-2023, 02:29 PM	#17
lyyca Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,146	You are a gem, Deadshot! Thanks for the video! __________________ "I always told myself my progression is gonna be become a rotation player, become a starting point guard and then win an NBA championship. And people are definitely going to laugh when they hear that. They're not going to be laughing if it actually happens." - Jeremy Lin, 2011

03-25-2023, 05:10 AM	#2
Siblix181 Member Join Date: Dec 2021 Posts: 46	wow awesome gonna watch the whole thing, u should do more

03-25-2023, 09:13 AM	#3
Chris P Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 14,468	Very interesting. One of the many reasons manufacturers switched the wording on their memorabilia cards to be so vague. I still kinda think while technically not doing anything wrong, it's misleading as I'd guess most collectors assume it's only or mostly actual game used jerseys being used. I still don't understand why they can't identify all memorabilia cards as what they actually are like it used to be done (warm ups, shorts, shooting shirts etc). I mean they still every once in a while do this (like the All Star Warmup cards in Immaculate from the last year or so)

03-26-2023, 01:09 PM	#5
PSA2Pac Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 3,889	I’ll check the video once I’m home, love stuff like this. I could be wrong but isn’t it also that Panini isn’t even claiming that most patches are from the player who’s card it’s attached to? Even for game worn patches, do we know if, a Curry patch for example, came from a gameworn Curry piece? I mean I assume some are legit but we’ve all seen examples of name patch letters that aren’t even in a players name lol I love game worn patches and wish we would see card companies trend towards giving us real deal provenance but I’ve been so off put from things trending the opposite direction that I don’t seek out these cards anymore and sell any I pull/have acquired.

03-26-2023, 11:48 PM	#8
johnyensmith123 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 1,742	awesome work as always, thanks Deadshot!

03-27-2023, 12:07 AM	#9
Lee42 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,288	Sensational video.....very well done!

03-29-2023, 12:40 AM	#15
Mattchanman Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 376	Couldn't figure out where the Joker patches came from. Great investigative work!

03-30-2023, 03:24 AM	#18
Round Mound Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Thonon-les-Bains, France Posts: 2,165	Super job as usual. I can see I am not the only one doing that type of searches __________________ Ultimate Charles Barkley fan, also searching for all Gadzuric cards.

03-30-2023, 09:53 AM	#19
Beavers98 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 10,995 beavers98	Thanks for the research. I'm ok with warm-ups. I mean yeah I'd prefer a jersey, but if the guy actually wore it cool. Who knows with the ambiguous "it's off the rack at Scheels" type statements on cards now. smh

04-01-2023, 12:08 PM	#21
mindcycle Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5,043	Not sure how I missed this but this is great stuff man! I always wondered where all the 2 color Nuggets warm up stuff they used for 17-18 cards came from. Now I know!