Let’s see one of your INVESTMENT Wax Boxes - I’ll start....

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by dani0100

Agreed. People who dump on BBCE because of a single error in authentication are nuts. How many years have they been authenticating and I can count the known errors on one hand. That's astoundingly good. PSA clearly makes many, many more errors (though, admittedly on a larger volume of stuff, and they certainly have many, loud detractors and for good reason).

Most of the hate I see directed against BBCE is from people who have no idea what they're talking about and they're making ridiculous claims based on the fact that they don't know the difference between a FASC and a non-FASC box, or they just don't understand the basic nature of the vintage unopened market.

No authentication is ever going to be perfect. The question is whether it's good enough to create some value and, if so, is the value worth the price. In BBCE's case, you'd have to be completely braindead to think it's not worth the price, but there are plenty of brain dead people around the hobby, so here we are.

Very well said.

[dani0100]

Been a while since I've posted any goodies here. I've been taking advantage of the dip in the market to add to my 70s and 80s unopened. These are from the last few months.

[FlyingDutchman]

Picked up these two sealed packs the other day for $11. Not really sure they count as a financial investment, but more of an investment in nostalgia.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by dani0100

Been a while since I've posted any goodies here. I've been taking advantage of the dip in the market to add to my 70s and 80s unopened. These are from the last few months.

These boxes are great - thanks for posting!

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman

Picked up these two sealed packs the other day for $11. Not really sure they count as a financial investment, but more of an investment in nostalgia.

These packs are nostalgic and cool

As for ‘Investment’ consideration - I wish I could go back and take that out of this Threads Title, and just called it a Wax Appreciation Thread ~~~ but I can’t

[Jjbecker]

Advice from the group, please. I’m sitting on 30 boxes of 2022 Chrome Baseball Lite, purchased at MSRP for $99ea + t/s.

The MVP buyback program ends in 8 days. I was hoping Topps would extend the date.

Yes, these boxes already include the SSP’s of Julio, Tork, etc,…but are hard to pull. These boxes aren’t known to have QC issues.

So, would you?

1. Rip all 30 boxes - grade the best stuff, and rapidly send in the Judge/Goldschmidt cards for future credit.

2. Hold these until prices rise, someday, possibly. This is the flagship release for Wander Franco, O’Neil Cruz.

3. Trade them away at $80 per box and just eat it.

4. Other?

I don’t need any Richard-head comments or replies, so if that is your m.o., just scroll by.



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[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Jjbecker

Advice from the group, please. I’m sitting on 30 boxes of 2022 Chrome Baseball Lite, purchased at MSRP for $99ea + t/s.

The MVP buyback program ends in 8 days. I was hoping Topps would extend the date.

Yes, these boxes already include the SSP’s of Julio, Tork, etc,…but are hard to pull. These boxes aren’t known to have QC issues.

So, would you?

1. Rip all 30 boxes - grade the best stuff, and rapidly send in the Judge/Goldschmidt cards for future credit.

2. Hold these until prices rise, someday, possibly. This is the flagship release for Wander Franco, O’Neil Cruz.

3. Trade them away at $80 per box and just eat it.

4. Other?

I don’t need any Richard-head comments or replies, so if that is your m.o., just scroll by.



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Sell/trade them away.

You won't see much appreciation from these and you're missing out on a lot of other opportunities by having funds tied up with these boxes.

And, as you already understand, demand for such wax will lessen once the buyback program ends.

[Jjbecker]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Sell/trade them away.

You won't see much appreciation from these and you're missing out on a lot of other opportunities by having funds tied up with these boxes.

And, as you already understand, demand for such wax will lessen once the buyback program ends.

I appreciate that, thank you. I don’t disagree at all.


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[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by Jjbecker

Advice from the group, please. I’m sitting on 30 boxes of 2022 Chrome Baseball Lite, purchased at MSRP for $99ea + t/s.

The MVP buyback program ends in 8 days. I was hoping Topps would extend the date.

Yes, these boxes already include the SSP’s of Julio, Tork, etc,…but are hard to pull. These boxes aren’t known to have QC issues.

So, would you?

1. Rip all 30 boxes - grade the best stuff, and rapidly send in the Judge/Goldschmidt cards for future credit.

2. Hold these until prices rise, someday, possibly. This is the flagship release for Wander Franco, O’Neil Cruz.

3. Trade them away at $80 per box and just eat it.

4. Other?

I don’t need any Richard-head comments or replies, so if that is your m.o., just scroll by.



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No joke. Just rip and have fun.

[cardsin47]

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[Boo]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Hold - all it takes is 1 Rookie to really take off ( at this moment, looking like JROD ), and these are multi-hundred $ Boxes each ~ in the Year? Holding is the least fun, and requires a lot of self discipline ~ but has a potential big reward for you down the road

Not those boxes, there were 7 trillion boxes made. Sell and move on.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Boo

Not those boxes, there were 7 trillion boxes made. Sell and move on.

Becker has 30 / why not blend all options, and have some fun :
Keep 10
Sell 10
Rip 10

[cardsin47]

FYI …..


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[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

FYI …..


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I’ve been looking for more GI Joe.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I’ve been looking for more GI Joe.

Im sure you realize the ‘GI Joe thing’ will be stuck with them forever

[mc1]

Originally Posted by dani0100

Agreed. People who dump on BBCE because of a single error in authentication are nuts. How many years have they been authenticating and I can count the known errors on one hand. That's astoundingly good. PSA clearly makes many, many more errors (though, admittedly on a larger volume of stuff, and they certainly have many, loud detractors and for good reason).

Most of the hate I see directed against BBCE is from people who have no idea what they're talking about and they're making ridiculous claims based on the fact that they don't know the difference between a FASC and a non-FASC box, or they just don't understand the basic nature of the vintage unopened market.

No authentication is ever going to be perfect. The question is whether it's good enough to create some value and, if so, is the value worth the price. In BBCE's case, you'd have to be completely braindead to think it's not worth the price, but there are plenty of brain dead people around the hobby, so here we are.

One error, sure. Count them on one hand. Sure. Whos really brain dead here?

[bigdog2003]

Originally Posted by dani0100

Agreed. People who dump on BBCE because of a single error in authentication are nuts. How many years have they been authenticating and I can count the known errors on one hand. That's astoundingly good. PSA clearly makes many, many more errors (though, admittedly on a larger volume of stuff, and they certainly have many, loud detractors and for good reason).

Most of the hate I see directed against BBCE is from people who have no idea what they're talking about and they're making ridiculous claims based on the fact that they don't know the difference between a FASC and a non-FASC box, or they just don't understand the basic nature of the vintage unopened market.

No authentication is ever going to be perfect. The question is whether it's good enough to create some value and, if so, is the value worth the price. In BBCE's case, you'd have to be completely braindead to think it's not worth the price, but there are plenty of brain dead people around the hobby, so here we are.

Do I trust BBCE, Yes. Do I think they know what they are doing, yes. Does the Pokemon thing stick to them as it should, yes. With that said, this very public 1 deal outweighs 1,000 private deals in the minds of a lot of people. Throw in the 86 Fleer BB box from the National, and things start adding on.

If they didn't have the knowledge to authenticate it, they should have passed on doing it. I get it, it was the chance of a lifetime for all the people involved, but at the same time it was a really risky chance.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Boo

Not those boxes, there were 7 trillion boxes made. Sell and move on.

Agreed.

One of the big 3 is offering $70 per (PP), I'd move to them ASAP and look out for the next opportunity.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by bigdog2003

Do I trust BBCE, Yes. Do I think they know what they are doing, yes. Does the Pokemon thing stick to them as it should, yes. With that said, this very public 1 deal outweighs 1,000 private deals in the minds of a lot of people. Throw in the 86 Fleer BB box from the National, and things start adding on.

If they didn't have the knowledge to authenticate it, they should have passed on doing it. I get it, it was the chance of a lifetime for all the people involved, but at the same time it was a really risky chance.

Well said

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Hold - all it takes is 1 Rookie to really take off ( at this moment, looking like JROD ), and these are multi-hundred $ Boxes each ~ in the Year? Holding is the least fun, and requires a lot of self discipline ~ but has a potential big reward for you down the road

I don’t think this really holds true anymore due to product dilution. Could Jrdod carry a product, probably. Can JROd carry, topps, topps chrome, topps chrome lite, sapphire, Ben Baller, update update chrome, update sapphire, logo fractor, sonic fractor (the other pumped one), topps gilded etc…. Short answer no

Print run to hi and options for people that want JROd rookies will be to high to pay a 3x markup to try and chase a JROd card from Chrome lite

There exists a pool of money that the market will spend on JROd rookie cards. When that pool is spent a supply 10x large as few years ago prices will remain lower for singles and wax prices won’t be able to appreciate long term

[cardsin47]

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[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

I understand your points / all of my answers to questions and polls are run thru my personal collecting filter, which is based on a 20 year hold model. I’m probably one of the very few if not only one here, looking thru that 2 Decade lens ….

But a 20 year gold model has 0 data points from diluted products

[jmsodpc]

Ok. I vote dump them and move on.
Not every product is a win. You'll get the next one.
That's the risky part of buying
Modern...these players aren't proven and there
Is no guarantee any new rookie will pan out.

[cardsin47]

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[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

No one knows the future- that’s the fun part of all of this! I’ll meet you here on this date and time in 2043, and we’ll see who gets to say “told ‘ya”

I agree it’s a fun exercise. I guess the question I have is what price point would you hope for in 20 years for a product like this? Surely 4x would be a substantial loss when weighed against 20 years of inflation and compounded interest. So are you hoping that a topps chrome lite box can do 10-20x over that time frame? While I agree that some rarer or in demand stuff def could that seems like a bit of a reach for a mass produced product that likely nobody will care about in 20 years.