2022 Topps Chrome Update Sapphire--This Could Be the Product of the Year? (2022/2023)

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

What is there to elaborate on for collectibles insurance? And how would it be a scam?

lol i'm intrigued too

[pewe]

Originally Posted by JRX

An equal print run would imply double the number of these cards vs the non sp of the regular TCS run? Just going off 330 vs 660 checklist.

Well... if Topps packed it out at the rate of their "Two #d parallels per box" rate, the print run will be ~1.8x for the TCU Sapphire...

...but it appears a bunch of boxes have an extra hit... if you assume its 1 in 4 boxes has an extra hit, then the packed out print run for TCU Sapphire will be ~1.6x

So somewhere between 1600-1800 TCUS base cards vs. ~1050-1100 for TCS

AND if we assume the TCS rip rate is ~1/2 the rate for TCUS... that could mean that in the market we end up with 3-4x base cards per play from TCUS vs. TCS.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

What is there to elaborate on for collectibles insurance? And how would it be a scam?

Feels like OP is implying some folks worry whether there are issues getting the insurance payout if there is a loss?

I feel like others who talked about collectibles insurance in the past had good experiences, though? At least that is what I seem to remember, as I considered it for a while

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

What is there to elaborate on for collectibles insurance? And how would it be a scam?

You must be pretty young if you don't know about insurance scams and frauds. But that's ok, we can all move on.

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by pewe

What ratio do you think they settle at? 4x for the US44? Assuming print run is 2x on the US44.

Im no expert but Id guess that 1st month listings apples to apples will be closer to 5-8x in volume for TCUS because of the wax price point, the half checklist and the chase for the rare autos.
maybe even 10x

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

You must be pretty young if you don't know about insurance scams and frauds. But that's ok, we can all move on.

Do you have auto insurance? There’s a ton of fraud with that.

I don’t really understand your point here.

You trust an unnecessary middle man like Goldin but not a collectibles insurance company? Weird.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by pewe

Feels like OP is implying some folks worry whether there are issues getting the insurance payout if there is a loss?

I feel like others who talked about collectibles insurance in the past had good experiences, though? At least that is what I seem to remember, as I considered it for a while

Yes, this. My concern would be:

1. What company/companies are providing the insurance?
2. How does the insurance payouts work if there is a claim? There are a ton of insurance companies that will fight tooth and nail for payouts and a lot of people don't have the $ or fortitude to fight something like that?
3. How are the premiums weighted compared to other, more typical insurance?

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but blindly doing something without all the relevant information is not smart.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

You must be pretty young if you don't know about insurance scams and frauds. But that's ok, we can all move on.

Wow. This is weak! You stand on your soap box and scream scam...then back down like a whipped puppy.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Wow. This is weak! You stand on your soap box and scream scam...then back down like a whipped puppy.

What are you talking about? I asked a question and stated that there are a lot of insurance scams out there. I asked for him to elaborate because I was genuinely curious and then someone from the peanut gallery interjected for no reason with no information.

Kind of like what you just did...

[pewe]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Im no expert but Id guess that 1st month listings apples to apples will be closer to 5-8x in volume for TCUS because of the wax price point, the half checklist and the chase for the rare autos.
maybe even 10x

Well, given my predilection for the US44 image, this would be a good thing, as a buyer

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by notfast

Do you have auto insurance? There’s a ton of fraud with that.

I don’t really understand your point here.

You trust an unnecessary middle man like Goldin but not a collectibles insurance company? Weird.

Who said I rusted Goldin? I would never use them... and yes, I have auto insurance because it's required by law, I have health insurance because I get it through my work and I have life insurance because I don't want to F my family if I die.

Again, I never said it was a bad idea, just that a niche market like that could breed scamming/fraud.

People need ot stop taking all my comments out of context, it's a little annoying.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

What are you talking about? I asked a question and stated that there are a lot of insurance scams out there. I asked for him to elaborate because I was genuinely curious and then someone from the peanut gallery interjected for no reason with no information.

Kind of like what you just did...

If you've never heard of Collectibles Insurance Company...you've not been paying attention. If you don't have proper insurance on your card collection your a moron. An insurance policy built into your home policy w/ State Farm doesn't count and is frankly not a smart move for people. If anyone has a collection that they cant let just disappear one day...you need a team/policy that understands actual collectibles. CIS is the best in the business, by far. Ive had several buddies that have had something go wrong (a flood, theft, etc). The process was seamless and easy with CIS. Do your homework.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

If you've never heard of Collectibles Insurance Company...you've not been paying attention. If you don't have proper insurance on your card collection your a moron. An insurance policy built into your home policy w/ State Farm doesn't count and is frankly not a smart move for people. If anyone has a collection that they cant let just disappear one day...you need a team/policy that understands actual collectibles. CIS is the best in the business, by far. Ive had several buddies that have had something go wrong (a flood, theft, etc). The process was seamless and easy with CIS. Do your homework.

I'll also add that you can have shipping (back and forth) in your policy. Wether thats to a trade partner, a sale on IG/eBay/etc or shipping to PSA. This is a must imo. Im trusting CIS 100x more than USPS paid insurances. What I pay for an entire CIS policy, pays for itself in just not having to pay the postal services insurance.

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I'll also add that you can have shipping (back and forth) in your policy. Wether thats to a trade partner, a sale on IG/eBay/etc or shipping to PSA. This is a must imo. Im trusting CIS 100x more than USPS paid insurances. What I pay for an entire CIS policy, pays for itself in just not having to pay the postal services insurance.

Do you have a dealer policy in addition to personal?

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

If you've never heard of Collectibles Insurance Company...you've not been paying attention. If you don't have proper insurance on your card collection your a moron. An insurance policy built into your home policy w/ State Farm doesn't count and is frankly not a smart move for people. If anyone has a collection that they cant let just disappear one day...you need a team/policy that understands actual collectibles. CIS is the best in the business, by far. Ive had several buddies that have had something go wrong (a flood, theft, etc). The process was seamless and easy with CIS. Do your homework.

No need for name calling man, we can keep it civilized.

I also have a career with two small kids, I don’t have time to research everything under the sun but I appreciate your candor.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I'll also add that you can have shipping (back and forth) in your policy. Wether thats to a trade partner, a sale on IG/eBay/etc or shipping to PSA. This is a must imo. Im trusting CIS 100x more than USPS paid insurances. What I pay for an entire CIS policy, pays for itself in just not having to pay the postal services insurance.

So do you have to lay out all individual cards, wax, etc. in the policy and provide values for each?

[splitrockgamer]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

If you've never heard of Collectibles Insurance Company...you've not been paying attention. If you don't have proper insurance on your card collection your a moron. An insurance policy built into your home policy w/ State Farm doesn't count and is frankly not a smart move for people. If anyone has a collection that they cant let just disappear one day...you need a team/policy that understands actual collectibles. CIS is the best in the business, by far. Ive had several buddies that have had something go wrong (a flood, theft, etc). The process was seamless and easy with CIS. Do your homework.

Lol calling someone a moron and using the wrong you're is always my favorite message board material!

[caulaflour]

My 1 box arrived.

Parallels disappointed; Matt Olson/99 and Nick Wittgren/50.

Base did not: Wander, Kwan and JRod (neither being RD).

Very happy.


PS anybody else noticing Kwan and JRod appear to travel together?

[J1L]

Originally Posted by caulaflour

My 1 box arrived.

Parallels disappointed; Matt Olson/99 and Nick Wittgren/50.

Base did not: Wander, Kwan and JRod (neither being RD).

Very happy.


PS anybody else noticing Kwan and JRod appear to travel together?

thank you for getting thread back on track..also im in SE Michigan and my boxes still mia haha.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

No need for name calling man, we can keep it civilized.

I also have a career with two small kids, I don’t have time to research everything under the sun but I appreciate your candor.

I wasn't specifically calling you anything. It's reckless not having a policy with the money, time, attention that our collections take. If you aren't willing to let your collection just up and disappear tomorrow...you need to need a proper policy today. I don't care if you have 15 kids and 3 careers...if you can't take the hit of your collection disappearing, then you need to do something about it.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

So do you have to lay out all individual cards, wax, etc. in the policy and provide values for each?

Depends on the price of the cards.

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by caulaflour

My 1 box arrived.

Parallels disappointed; Matt Olson/99 and Nick Wittgren/50.

Base did not: Wander, Kwan and JRod (neither being RD).

Very happy.


PS anybody else noticing Kwan and JRod appear to travel together?

I had Jrod and Kwan in back to back packs in my lone box

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by J1L

thank you for getting thread back on track..also im in SE Michigan and my boxes still mia haha.

It's weird, I missed the boat on these but ordered some on Ebay and the are arriving tomorrow...seems like the shipping is all over the place.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

You must be pretty young if you don't know about insurance scams and frauds. But that's ok, we can all move on.

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

Yes, this. My concern would be:

1. What company/companies are providing the insurance?
2. How does the insurance payouts work if there is a claim? There are a ton of insurance companies that will fight tooth and nail for payouts and a lot of people don't have the $ or fortitude to fight something like that?
3. How are the premiums weighted compared to other, more typical insurance?

I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but blindly doing something without all the relevant information is not smart.

Another blowhard who thinks he knows more than he does. Next time do a little more research before trying to #@#@#@#@ on me.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I wasn't specifically calling you anything. It's reckless not having a policy with the money, time, attention that our collections take. If you aren't willing to let your collection just up and disappear tomorrow...you need to need a proper policy today. I don't care if you have 15 kids and 3 careers...if you can't take the hit of your collection disappearing, then you need to do something about it.

I'd be more concerned with the pieces I've acquired than the money. It sounds like you insure everything you own. You must have a hell of a life insurance policy.