eBay seller yourcardconnection2010 shipping cost ordeal

[shrevecity]

You are never entitled to a partial refund even if you were charged more for shipping than you think you should be charged. Contacting a seller respectfully will get you further than Contacting one demanding a refund or you will neg them. That is 2 ebay rule violations that ebay will enforce.

Your only options are leaving feedback which ebay removes often for shipping prices especially when a threat or demand is made to the seller, and post in places like this.

Your other option is to hope that seller blocks you as blocking them does not stop you from buying from them

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by Grid

How is it stupid and shady? Stupid and shady, is seeing the price of shipping, agreeing to it, and demanding money back.

My post was to show how silly it is for a buyer to expect to ONLY pay the cost of post. As if packing supplies were free. And thats also throwing out the fact, that sellers lose a portion of their shipping costs paid due to fees.

If a buyer only sees the $1.25 noted on the post, that doesn't mean it only cost the seller $1.25 to pack/ship and inclusive of fees paid to ebay on the shipping.

Nobody is making that argument and you know that.

Do you have any numbers on what your packing supplies cost you? Just curious.

Sellers thinking they can pass on the cost of painter's tape and bubble mailers disguising it as "shipping and handling" is next level pathetic.

What about the inferior tracking that comes along with a PWE or ESE? I pay $5.15 for USPS First Class and you send in a PWE or ESE -- is that ok? Of course not, yet here you are defending the practice.

[Joshi City]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

You are never entitled to a partial refund even if you were charged more for shipping than you think you should be charged. Contacting a seller respectfully will get you further than Contacting one demanding a refund or you will neg them. That is 2 ebay rule violations that ebay will enforce.

Your only options are leaving feedback which ebay removes often for shipping prices especially when a threat or demand is made to the seller, and post in places like this.

Your other option is to hope that seller blocks you as blocking them does not stop you from buying from them

Not sure who you are replying but neither myself nor the OP said anything about threatening anything. Again the issue is not the PRICE which we keep saying, the issue is the listing was inaccurate since the seller has in the listing what service they will use, which is part of the contract with the buyer. If there is an eBay policy that says a seller is allowed to list one shipping service but instead ship by a different service that is slower (not talking about the price, but the service), I'd be interested in reading how it is worded.

I feel like some in this thread are intentionally not understanding the issue so they can present an unrelated stance.

If it helps, a more extreme example - if someone has a sports card listed for $200 and the shipping is $25 Overnight FedEx shipping, I buy it for $200 and pay the $25 for FedEx Overnight but it is shipped in a PWE, some people on here think that's ok? If so then I guess there really is nothing else to debate as its just a clear difference in thinking in how eBay should work.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

Not sure who you are replying but neither myself nor the OP said anything about threatening anything. Again the issue is not the PRICE which we keep saying, the issue is the listing was inaccurate since the seller has in the listing what service they will use, which is part of the contract with the buyer. If there is an eBay policy that says a seller is allowed to list one shipping service but instead ship by a different service that is slower (not talking about the price, but the service), I'd be interested in reading how it is worded.

I feel like some in this thread are intentionally not understanding the issue so they can present an unrelated stance.

You are correct but the item was shipped first class and was listed as First Class. All have the same approximate handling time. Per the usps link I posted earlier first class mail is divided into 4 sub categories. Ebay has a separate category for ese and first class PACKAGE but in essence they are the same thing. One is for envelopes and the other is for small light packages. They move at the same speed. In December 2020 pwes were the only thing getting through anywhere. Packages were taking 2 to 3 weeks in many cases


Maybe it's because I remember mail order in the 80s and 90s that I don't care how item is shipped as long as I get it as expected. Back the if you bough a single card from a national dealer you could expect an 8 to 12 week turn around and pay 4.95 plus 2 or 3 dollars per extra item. There was no canceling. There were no refunds if it did not arrive or arrived damaged unless you paid extra for insurance.

Your example is different because one is over night and one is first class that is a huge difference but I still will have figured it in. If I am going to pay 225.00 for an item. That is all I am paying no matter what shipping is. It can be 200 with 25.00 or 225 with free shipping it's all the same to me.

I have made lots if money on auction intentionally overpaying for shipping. An item back in May of last year was listed at auction for 9.99 with a 20.00 shipping. It costs about 5.00 to ship it. I won the auction for 13. And some change plus 20. Listed it for 80.00 with free shipping sold in 2 weeks

Read the op it was clearly about price he never said the card arrived late or anything so much that his initial email to the seller was apparently threatening demanding a full refund of shipping or he would leave a neg. This is my issue with the OP. Op claims he politely messaged seller seller tells different based on his feedback response and seeming to be confirmed by the op

[Joshi City]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

You are correct but the item was shipped first class and was listed as First Class. All have the same approximate handling time. Per the usps link I posted earlier first class mail is divided into 4 sub categories. Ebay has a separate category for ese and first class PACKAGE but in essence they are the same thing. One is for envelopes and the other is for small light packages. They move at the same speed. In December 2020 pwes were the only thing getting through anywhere. Packages were taking 2 to 3 weeks in many cases


Maybe it's because I remember mail order in the 80s and 90s that I don't care how item is shipped as long as I get it as expected. Back the if you bough a single card from a national dealer you could expect an 8 to 12 week turn around and pay 4.95 plus 2 or 3 dollars per extra item. There was no canceling. There were no refunds if it did not arrive or arrived damaged unless you paid extra for insurance.

Your example is different because one is over night and one is first class that is a huge difference but I still will have figured it in. If I am going to pay 225.00 for an item. That is all I am paying no matter what shipping is. It can be 200 with 25.00 or 225 with free shipping it's all the same to me.

I have made lots if money on auction intentionally overpaying for shipping. An item back in May of last year was listed at auction for 9.99 with a 20.00 shipping. It costs about 5.00 to ship it. I won the auction for 13. And some change plus 20. Listed it for 80.00 with free shipping sold in 2 weeks

Read the op it was clearly about price he never said the card arrived late or anything so much that his initial email to the seller was apparently threatening demanding a full refund of shipping or he would leave a neg. This is my issue with the OP.

I understand your point of view. The issue of price only comes up due to the service being wrong, I was just splitting it up as it can be two different issues - overpaying for a service used you selected (which I have no issue with), and paying for a service you didn't get. eBay has a separate shipping option for PWE, if I purchased an item that said First Class and I paid $4.00, I'd expect it to be first class package.

I'm not saying everyone should or would care, probably a lot don't and those margins help sellers make a little extra money. But I also don't think there is anything wrong with being annoyed about it either. Not everyone wants cards shipped PWE, either due to the tracking being inconsistent, taking longer, etc. I think its great eBay has that option, it should just be clear in the listing if that is how its being shipped, that's all.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Joshi City

I understand your point of view. The issue of price only comes up due to the service being wrong, I was just splitting it up as it can be two different issues - overpaying for a service used you selected (which I have no issue with), and paying for a service you didn't get. eBay has a separate shipping option for PWE, if I purchased an item that said First Class and I paid $4.00, I'd expect it to be first class package.

I'm not saying everyone should or would care, probably a lot don't and those margins help sellers make a little extra money. But I also don't think there is anything wrong with being annoyed about it either. Not everyone wants cards shipped PWE, either due to the tracking being inconsistent, taking longer, etc. I think its great eBay has that option, it should just be clear in the listing if that is how its being shipped, that's all.

I agree there and have stated a few times the seller was wrong but the buyer was equally as wrong. I would have gone straight to ebay if I were the seller. The feedback would be gone and the op would have 2 policy strikes on his account that would get him autoblocked by many sellers

[Grid]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Nobody is making that argument and you know that.

Do you have any numbers on what your packing supplies cost you? Just curious.

Sellers thinking they can pass on the cost of painter's tape and bubble mailers disguising it as "shipping and handling" is next level pathetic.

What about the inferior tracking that comes along with a PWE or ESE? I pay $5.15 for USPS First Class and you send in a PWE or ESE -- is that ok? Of course not, yet here you are defending the practice.

What does my cost of packing material have to do with anything? The point I made, was that it has a cost. Why would a buyer expect the seller to not account for it? How is it pathetic? You are way too charged up over this.

What does inferior tracking have to do with anything, if the onus for lost or misdirected mail is on the seller anyway?

What are you going to do with your 1st class service once you get the card? Hang the mailer on your wall? No. The actual services is meaningless. And has no bearing on you once it gets to you.

If they listed it as $5.99 Priority, and mailed it ESE, I get the beef. Priority is much faster, and if you paid for a faster service then you get to bitch.

ESE items ship as 1st class mail. Ebay calls it eSE, but thats not a real thing to the post office.

A 1st class stamp and eSE will get to you at the exact same time as one another. If the seller went too cheap, and dropped a stamp to mail it without tracking. That can only hurt the seller. If the seller used a standard envelope, and the card got ruined. That can only hurt the seller.

Nothing, in any of this, effects the buyer. Only the seller is at risk.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Grid

Your analogy is flawed. No one is "buying" shipping services here. Thats the point I, and others, are trying to make. You dont end up with anything more or better, just because the seller paid for a different service. You still net the card.

If I bought a brand new bag, I would not accept a plastic shopping bag. In this scenario, its the bag I bought. That is tangible.

When it comes to this actual thread, the buyer didn't buy a shipping service. They bought a card. They got the card, in the exact condition it was purchased in.

There was no bait and switch like your bag story.

At the end of the day, if the seller would have paid and ate for next day air shipping, and put the card inside a bag packed in Ashera kitten fur. The buyer would still have exact what they bought, and thats the card in the condition sold.

If the seller went cheap, and saved a dollar and the card came bent in half in a PWE, the seller, and only the seller, would have been on the hook here. The buyer would have gotten all of their money back, including the shipping paid.

You bought a card, you knew the total cost to get it, and you got your card in the condition it should have been. The seller owes you nothing. You wouldn't have gotten anything different if the seller had shipped it Priority in a box.

While I agree with some things you are saying, I diverge in terms of this post- it’s not as simple as ‘well you got what you ordered in the end, seller cant be in the wrong’- when the shipping service listed is part of what is advertised to a prospective buyer.

Anywhere outside of eBay, say some online store, gives you the option of $8 for economy shipping, or pay $25 for express shipping, and you pay express, then they send it economy anyway- everyone thinks that’s wrong. The seller is the wrong. Not a case of ‘well you got the item in the end either way’. This carries over to eBay- if someone lists a vinyl record with priority mail shipping and cost of $15, then sends it media mail for $3.50, that’s an issue.

What you advertise for shipping is part of what buyer thinks they are getting when purchasing. So again it comes down to whether USPS first class for $3.99 corresponds to ESE. I personally think it doesn’t, since even though ESE May technically be first class mail, there is an actual option for ESE to select which the seller didn’t do- somewhat deceptive. I think a lot of people in here are repeating the same thing over and over, including me.

[JeffG1954]

I wonder how many times it has gone the other way for this seller.....where he ended up selling 5+ cards to the same buyer but still kept his shipping at $3.99......or sold a single card for $50+ and still kept the shipping at $3.99. Doesn't matter for the OP, but just a little curious.

[CanadianKid]

Is this still going?

I love BO.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

While I agree with some things you are saying, I diverge in terms of this post- it’s not as simple as ‘well you got what you ordered in the end, seller cant be in the wrong’- when the shipping service listed is part of what is advertised to a prospective buyer.

Anywhere outside of eBay, say some online store, gives you the option of $8 for economy shipping, or pay $25 for express shipping, and you pay express, then they send it economy anyway- everyone thinks that’s wrong. The seller is the wrong. Not a case of ‘well you got the item in the end either way’. This carries over to eBay- if someone lists a vinyl record with priority mail shipping and cost of $15, then sends it media mail for $3.50, that’s an issue.

What you advertise for shipping is part of what buyer thinks they are getting when purchasing. So again it comes down to whether USPS first class for $3.99 corresponds to ESE. I personally think it doesn’t, since even though ESE May technically be first class mail, there is an actual option for ESE to select which the seller didn’t do- somewhat deceptive. I think a lot of people in here are repeating the same thing over and over, including me.

People get ANGRY with Topps for their shipping practices when they pull similar shenanigans.

[jlzinck]

As much of a tool as OP is I had a buyer reach out to me asking why I charged $1.25 for ESE shipping and only paid .82 to mail it

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

As much of a tool as OP is I had a buyer reach out to me asking why I charged $1.25 for ESE shipping and only paid .82 to mail it

I have had a few of those over the past couple of years. Had one neg me for it which Ebay quickly removed with a simple phone call.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

I have had a few of those over the past couple of years. Had one neg me for it which Ebay quickly removed with a simple phone call.

I got a neutral for not sending a $10 card in a one touch. Buyer said for me to send it in a one touch and I said no unless you want to pay more for it. He decided he didn't want to pay extra.

Gave me a neutral and that was taken off after a phone call as well.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

While I agree with some things you are saying, I diverge in terms of this post- it’s not as simple as ‘well you got what you ordered in the end, seller cant be in the wrong’- when the shipping service listed is part of what is advertised to a prospective buyer.

Anywhere outside of eBay, say some online store, gives you the option of $8 for economy shipping, or pay $25 for express shipping, and you pay express, then they send it economy anyway- everyone thinks that’s wrong. The seller is the wrong. Not a case of ‘well you got the item in the end either way’. This carries over to eBay- if someone lists a vinyl record with priority mail shipping and cost of $15, then sends it media mail for $3.50, that’s an issue.

What you advertise for shipping is part of what buyer thinks they are getting when purchasing. So again it comes down to whether USPS first class for $3.99 corresponds to ESE. I personally think it doesn’t, since even though ESE May technically be first class mail, there is an actual option for ESE to select which the seller didn’t do- somewhat deceptive. I think a lot of people in here are repeating the same thing over and over, including me.

But that is not what is being discussed. Like I already posted, if you pay for Priority to get it faster, and the seller ships ESE, the seller is wrong! The buyer should get a refund of the difference, or even all the shipping money back, since the seller caused the buyer harm, by not shipping it at the speed promised.

That is your analogy! You didn't get the faster service paid for. What happened here, is just a matter of semantics. As first class and eSE ship at the same speed. There is no harm to the buyer. There was no option to select a better, or more expensive option.

And you, as well as others, are leaving out the part of the seller offering free combined shipping. And as the seller stated (which is true) them shipping a lone card order, and a bulk card order, would be different shipping methods and costs. But the seller alone would eat those increased costs.

With that, eBay does NOT give the seller the option to prefill shipping methods, depending on how many cards a buyer may or may not order. I cant list within the shipping screen eSE for 1 card. 4 cards priority. 10 cards next day air or whatever. eBay just doesn't allow for that.

Those that sell get it. Those that are reasonable people, who saw to and agreed to the shipping cost posted, get it. Those that want to pick a fight over a few bucks and feel entitled to squeeze the seller, waste their own time, and make a public call out over something like this. Will never get it.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by JeffG1954

I wonder how many times it has gone the other way for this seller.....where he ended up selling 5+ cards to the same buyer but still kept his shipping at $3.99......or sold a single card for $50+ and still kept the shipping at $3.99. Doesn't matter for the OP, but just a little curious.

From the original post, the seller said: I charge a flat rate as my listing says and that means that you can win as many cards in a week as you want all for 3.99. My cost to ship is around $4.50, so I lose on most purchases. You only purchased 1 card, so my stated shipping price in my listing is exactly what I charged you. I do cut my shipping price in half for repeat customer's after their first purchase, so if you buy another item and the total is under $20.00, your shipping drops to 1.99 instead of 3.99.

So it does go sideways on them. And they do even offer repeat customers half off shipping on their next order as well. So I assume they lose more than they win, but the increase in business from loyal customers makes it worth while.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

As much of a tool as OP is I had a buyer reach out to me asking why I charged $1.25 for ESE shipping and only paid .82 to mail it

Originally Posted by shrevecity

I have had a few of those over the past couple of years. Had one neg me for it which Ebay quickly removed with a simple phone call.

Originally Posted by mike1498

I got a neutral for not sending a $10 card in a one touch. Buyer said for me to send it in a one touch and I said no unless you want to pay more for it. He decided he didn't want to pay extra.

Gave me a neutral and that was taken off after a phone call as well.

Exactly. All of these, and the OP, reek of snowflake. The OP didn't show what they sent the seller, but since the seller replied saying the OP said they were cheated. I assume it wasn't a friendly message they sent their seller.

The seller took it like a champ. Offer to not only eat the shipping they paid to mail. But offered a full refund (including said shipping) and to eat the shipping back.

So many people try to extort money from sellers like this. And this seller is going by the book, and offering to take it back, instead of agreeing to a partial. Which is what the OP was fishing for all along.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Grid

Exactly. All of these, and the OP, reek of snowflake. The OP didn't show what they sent the seller, but since the seller replied saying the OP said they were cheated. I assume it wasn't a friendly message they sent their seller.

The seller took it like a champ. Offer to not only eat the shipping they paid to mail. But offered a full refund (including said shipping) and to eat the shipping back.

So many people try to extort money from sellers like this. And this seller is going by the book, and offering to take it back, instead of agreeing to a partial. Which is what the OP was fishing for all along.

You can tell by the op, the feedback and sellers response that the initial message was not polite. That alone can change everything. Most sellers balk at threats and do not fear negs or bad social media posts about them. Most know you sell long enough you are going to get both.

OPs feedback left hurts him more than seller. Many sellers screen buyers based on feedback left. If I saw that feedback on a buyer making an offer it would be decline block.

[valleynuckfan]

OP could have just left a simple 'thank you' for FB and docked the seller a star or two for shipping cost and moved on with his life.

[oldgoldy97]

Did it come with the stand it was pictured with?

[JeremyNick]

If I’m paying $3.99 for shipping I’m expecting BMWT, especially if it’s not listed as ESE.

If it’s sent ESE, I’ll leave a neg or neutral for bad shipping practices and move on.

It’s not that hard.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

If I’m paying $3.99 for shipping I’m expecting BMWT, especially if it’s not listed as ESE.

If it’s sent ESE, I’ll leave a neg or neutral for bad shipping practices and move on.

It’s not that hard.

That's how it should be. If ebay removes it so be it. But messaging the seller demanding a refund is not gonna get you anywhere

[Grid]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

You are a clueless moron to conclude this was an extortion attempt instead of a legitimate gripe.

Read what I quoted. Another seller said a buyer wanted a refund on their $1.25 for ESE shipping, since the seller only paid .82 to mail it. Another seller said a buyer expected a free mag case with shipping even though no mag was referenced in the listing.

Bringing us to the OP, who wanted cash back on the agreed upon shipping and handling.

So yes, "So many people try to extort money from sellers like this". Just like I said.

You can be rude all you want. It doesn't make your take on all this correct.

And if you are this hopped up over a differing opinion on shipping fees, I can only imagine how miserable your life must be.

[Joshi City]

A lot of this can also be resolved if the message the seller sent the OP was in their item description. Every one of my auctions I copy/paste the same message, which says I will ship with BMWT (along with some other generic information). So buyers know they are paying $4 but are getting the first class package service for that cost. The seller may know what he does is a tiny bit shady or it would be in his item description that the number of cards purchased will impact the shipping method. I just think he is making a calculated risk, assuming (probably correctly) that most buyers won't care/say anything. Not super evil or anything. Just a little dishonest since he could provide that information upfront.

[mikejones]

I had a seller charge me $2.99 for shipping. The package came and it cost the seller $4.95 to ship based on the label. I was pissed and contacted the seller and demanded that I send him a refund for the cost of shipping. He refused and has since reported me to ebay and blocked me. I cant buy from this seller anymore.