Why is Rodgers such a loser?

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Steve Young comes to mind.

And Steve was my favorite player for YEARS. But he was straight lethal in the reg. season.... lot of post-season flame outs. One SB.

It's why I think - and it's Rodgers fault, that he has made himself a punching bag. One guy is the nicest guy in the world. The other is a petulant, mouthy, moody baby.

But both were incredibly talented and near/at top of their generation.

Steve Young had 7 strong years. 2 MVPs. 1 SB

Aaron Rodgers has had 12-13 strong years (and counting). 4 MVPs. 1 SB.

To me, that's not even close. But I agree...personality can help shape the narrative. But you can choose to be kind. You know that GB media would love to write puff pieces about Aaron if there was an opportunity to.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Steve Young had 7 strong years. 2 MVPs. 1 SB

Aaron Rodgers has had 12-13 strong years (and counting). 4 MVPs. 1 SB.

To me, that's not even close. But I agree...personality can help shape the narrative. But you can choose to be kind. You know that GB media would love to write puff pieces about Aaron if there was an opportunity to.

You don't have to go too far to find someone comparable, Brett Favre.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

You don't have to go too far to find someone comparable, Brett Favre.

There you go.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

You don't have to go too far to find someone comparable, Brett Favre.

Haha.

So we're saying Favre and Rodgers are 1 and 1a when it comes to biggest gap between regular season and postseason performance?

I am 100% on board

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Aaron Rodgers is the Chevy Chase of QBs. He’s very good at what he does and has had successes, but he is selfish, difficult to work with, and thinks he is smarter than he is. He’s not likable, but he is (was at one time) one of the best at what he does.

I can get behind this take.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I can get behind this take.

So when Aaron won the Super Bowl, was that his Christmas Vacation or his Fletch? What's the apex for Chevy's career?

[TheFrenzy]

NFL QBs as SNL cast members.

Who's making the thread?

[TheFrenzy]

I've got Gardner Minshew as Ben Stiller

Maybe Andrew Luck as Chris Farley? Both goofy and gone too soon?

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I've got Gardner Minshew as Ben Stiller

Maybe Andrew Luck as Chris Farley? Both goofy and gone too soon?

Has Eddie Vedder ever been questioned about his actions on the night of Farley's overdose?

[lambeauleap87]

Listening to Rodgers on Pat McAfee today, I think there's a real chance he could want out of Green Bay. He says he wouldn't be part of a rebuild (which, I think they'd just be mired in purgatory given their cap situation because they can't get much better on paper) and seems to entertain the idea of playing elsewhere rather than shoot it down last year (like he did when he had a lot more leverage).

It'd be it's own unique mess of a trade, given that they'd have to post-June 1 any trade for cap purposes, which would make any swap of draft assets especially fascinating, too. Rodgers has turned so much into the second coming of Brett Favre that pretty soon he's gonna be sending pics of his junk to reporters and scamming welfare programs.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Listening to Rodgers on Pat McAfee today, I think there's a real chance he could want out of Green Bay. He says he wouldn't be part of a rebuild (which, I think they'd just be mired in purgatory given their cap situation because they can't get much better on paper) and seems to entertain the idea of playing elsewhere rather than shoot it down last year (like he did when he had a lot more leverage).

It'd be it's own unique mess of a trade, given that they'd have to post-June 1 any trade for cap purposes, which would make any swap of draft assets especially fascinating, too. Rodgers has turned so much into the second coming of Brett Favre that pretty soon he's gonna be sending pics of his junk to reporters and scamming welfare programs.

I think both side would like to move on, but his contract is going to be difficult to move. Rodgers would only want to go to a team that is competing for Super Bowl/playoffs.

Teams that are likely needing a QB
AFC: Jets, Raiders, Titans, Colts, Texans
NFC: Commanders, Bucs, Panthers, Saints, Falcons

Have a QB, but are they sold? - Dolphins, Pats, Ravens (likely tag Lamar), Giants, 49ers, Seahawks - This group most would likely keep what they have and resign.

Most of the first group of teams are bad. Texans will draft a guy.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I think both side would like to move on, but his contract is going to be difficult to move. Rodgers would only want to go to a team that is competing for Super Bowl/playoffs.

Teams that are likely needing a QB
AFC: Jets, Raiders, Titans, Colts, Texans
NFC: Commanders, Bucs, Panthers, Saints, Falcons

Have a QB, but are they sold? - Dolphins, Pats, Ravens (likely tag Lamar), Giants, 49ers, Seahawks - This group most would likely keep what they have and resign.

Most of the first group of teams are bad. Texans will draft a guy.

It is a little more complex, than who needs a QB. The Packers wont just cut him, for another team to pick him up. The other team would need to trade an asset (Player/Picks) and still be willing to take on the rest of his $32MIL cap hit. Which isn't the worse part, he is set to make $60MIL in cash next season.

Honestly, who is going to give up something for Rodgers PLUS give him $60MIL next season, and still be on the hook for another $50MIL cash in 2024.

Of all the players on your list, none of them are a QB away from the Super Bowl. And even if they were, who would trust Rodgers at this point? He is a team killer now.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Grid

It is a little more complex, than who needs a QB. The Packers wont just cut him, for another team to pick him up. The other team would need to trade an asset (Player/Picks) and still be willing to take on the rest of his $32MIL cap hit. Which isn't the worse part, he is set to make $60MIL in cash next season.

Honestly, who is going to give up something for Rodgers PLUS give him $60MIL next season, and still be on the hook for another $50MIL cash in 2024.

Of all the players on your list, none of them are a QB away from the Super Bowl. And even if they were, who would trust Rodgers at this point? He is a team killer now.

Agreed.

Rodgers is also partially responsible for creating the mess in GB.

I'm not sure any team would really want to trade for him, given his cap situation and the general drama/baggage that comes with him.

Maybe some coach/GM that is trying to save their job may just put something together and if it doesn't work out, the next coach/GM will have to deal with the mess.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Listening to Rodgers on Pat McAfee today, I think there's a real chance he could want out of Green Bay. He says he wouldn't be part of a rebuild (which, I think they'd just be mired in purgatory given their cap situation because they can't get much better on paper) and seems to entertain the idea of playing elsewhere rather than shoot it down last year (like he did when he had a lot more leverage).

It'd be it's own unique mess of a trade, given that they'd have to post-June 1 any trade for cap purposes, which would make any swap of draft assets especially fascinating, too. Rodgers has turned so much into the second coming of Brett Favre that pretty soon he's gonna be sending pics of his junk to reporters and scamming welfare programs.

Any team he goes to is a rebuild. There is no team that is one QB away from being a SB contender. He's a diva. He wants all his old washed up friends to rturn to GB if he comes back. GB needs to tell him he either has choice to return to GB or retire. I can't see any team willing to take on a contract of a 39 year old QB with declining skills.

[lambeauleap87]

Originally Posted by Grid

Honestly, who is going to give up something for Rodgers PLUS give him $60MIL next season, and still be on the hook for another $50MIL cash in 2024.

Of all the players on your list, none of them are a QB away from the Super Bowl. And even if they were, who would trust Rodgers at this point? He is a team killer now.

People say these things but forget that Deshaun Watson brought back three firsts and a massive payout (and had his suspension + hadn't played in two years) and that Carson Wentz was traded twice in two months for a first, two seconds, and a third. Derek Carr is going to get moved for at least a second round pick. Darnold for a second and a fourth.

The price for even serviceable QBs is absurd; Rodgers showed his age this year, but if he gets dealt, Green Bay is going to get plenty of value back (my guess would be a first + a day two pick at this point).

Originally Posted by packman80

Any team he goes to is a rebuild. There is no team that is one QB away from being a SB contender. He's a diva. He wants all his old washed up friends to rturn to GB if he comes back. GB needs to tell him he either has choice to return to GB or retire. I can't see any team willing to take on a contract of a 39 year old QB with declining skills.

I'm grateful you are neither Brian Gutekunst nor Mark Murphy.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

People say these things but forget that Deshaun Watson brought back three firsts and a massive payout (and had his suspension + hadn't played in two years) and that Carson Wentz was traded twice in two months for a first, two seconds, and a third. Derek Carr is going to get moved for at least a second round pick. Darnold for a second and a fourth.

The price for even serviceable QBs is absurd; Rodgers showed his age this year, but if he gets dealt, Green Bay is going to get plenty of value back (my guess would be a first + a day two pick at this point).



I'm grateful you are neither Brian Gutekunst nor Mark Murphy.

It's not just his age, it's the drama he brings with him as well. And who know when he's going to start seeing "the man in the hat" on the field as well as on the street.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

People say these things but forget that Deshaun Watson brought back three firsts and a massive payout (and had his suspension + hadn't played in two years) and that Carson Wentz was traded twice in two months for a first, two seconds, and a third. Derek Carr is going to get moved for at least a second round pick. Darnold for a second and a fourth.

The price for even serviceable QBs is absurd; Rodgers showed his age this year, but if he gets dealt, Green Bay is going to get plenty of value back (my guess would be a first + a day two pick at this point).



I'm grateful you are neither Brian Gutekunst nor Mark Murphy.

If any team would offer a 1st and a day two pick for Rodgers they have to be the dumbest GM in the NFL. Why would you give up a 1st and a day two pick for a 39 year old QB who's skills are not want they once were plays the retirement game every year now and probably is not going to play more then 1 or 2 years at best. You trade Rodgers you do it for a Brett Favre trade Probably trade him for a 3rd round pick that moves based on how far the team goes in 2023.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Grid

It is a little more complex, than who needs a QB. The Packers wont just cut him, for another team to pick him up. The other team would need to trade an asset (Player/Picks) and still be willing to take on the rest of his $32MIL cap hit. Which isn't the worse part, he is set to make $60MIL in cash next season.

Honestly, who is going to give up something for Rodgers PLUS give him $60MIL next season, and still be on the hook for another $50MIL cash in 2024.

Of all the players on your list, none of them are a QB away from the Super Bowl. And even if they were, who would trust Rodgers at this point? He is a team killer now.

Yes, that was my point. His contract is bad. Once you get past that, you need to look at all the teams in need of a quarterback - selecting only those that will make playoffs. THAN any of those teams will need to be a willing partner. From that first group the two that stand out are the Colts and Bucs. I would think the Colts are done with the end of career guys at this point. Bucs, maybe, but they would need to do some cap magic and figure out assets to give to the Packers. They will have dead Brady money on the books already.

The second group has better teams. It would have to be one of those that decide going in on Rodgers is better than resigning what they currently have. Do the Seahawks decide a deal for Rodgers is better than resigning Geno for example. Do the 49ers trade Lance and let Purdy sit behind Rodgers for a year and make a big push next year? Dolphins give up on Tua and go for Rodgers?

Is either that or some real crazy trade happens QB for QB like the Vikings trading Cousins for Rodgers to try to get them over the hump.

Whatever happens, the Packers are going to be that spot do we eat a lot of his contract and get more/better picks or take less back and dump the payroll?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

People say these things but forget that Deshaun Watson brought back three firsts and a massive payout (and had his suspension + hadn't played in two years) and that Carson Wentz was traded twice in two months for a first, two seconds, and a third. Derek Carr is going to get moved for at least a second round pick. Darnold for a second and a fourth.

The price for even serviceable QBs is absurd; Rodgers showed his age this year, but if he gets dealt, Green Bay is going to get plenty of value back (my guess would be a first + a day two pick at this point).

Everyone you named was about 25 or younger when those deals happened. Not 40. And none of them held the moniker of bad teammate or front office disruptor, like Rodgers.

And see below, as this isnt just my opinion, but seems to be the general consensus

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

It's not just his age, it's the drama he brings with him as well. And who know when he's going to start seeing "the man in the hat" on the field as well as on the street.

Originally Posted by packman80

If any team would offer a 1st and a day two pick for Rodgers they have to be the dumbest GM in the NFL. Why would you give up a 1st and a day two pick for a 39 year old QB who's skills are not want they once were plays the retirement game every year now and probably is not going to play more then 1 or 2 years at best. You trade Rodgers you do it for a Brett Favre trade Probably trade him for a 3rd round pick that moves based on how far the team goes in 2023.

You two write beautifully. And I agree wholeheartedly.

[oldgoldy97]

How many teams will second guess giving away the house for a QB after the Russell Wilson disaster?

[Asian62150]

Simply too many negatives against Rodgers at this point:

-age/skills on decline
-huge cap number
-bad teammate
-bad leader
-a lot of potential distractions
-many "win or go home" failures

[lambeauleap87]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Whatever happens, the Packers are going to be that spot do we eat a lot of his contract and get more/better picks or take less back and dump the payroll?

The fun part of the Rodgers contract is that it's structured in a way that Green Bay can't pull off my cap magic with it. They aren't (can't) eating any money like it's a baseball or hockey trade; they're going to see a fat dead cap hit either way - and that's what makes it harder, it'd have to be a post-June 1 trade or would hit for another $68MM against the cap in 2023.

Originally Posted by Grid

Everyone you named was about 25 or younger when those deals happened. Not 40. And none of them held the moniker of bad teammate or front office disruptor, like Rodgers.

Carson Wentz was 28 (and 29), coming off a season where he had been benched, demanded a trade, and had several leaks about being a bad teammate (and he stinks).

DeShaun Watson was younger, but I think it's fair to say he carries way, way more baggage and disruption than Rodgers (and hadn't played in two years).

Carr seems like a good dude, but he'll be 32 at the start of the league year, his best year is roughly Rodgers's 2022, and you're gonna have to do something with that contract.

They're obviously not going to be perfect comps, but the price on QBs is as high as it's ever been - even if you're just hoping to get adequacy for a couple years out of the guy you trade for. You could maybe make an argument that Matt Ryan is the best comp here (a third rounder), but he was also several years removed from being useful. It's a tricky trade scenario, but Green Bay doesn't even get cap relief from trading him, so you can just about guarantee he'll fetch a viable return if he gets dealt.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

The fun part of the Rodgers contract is that it's structured in a way that Green Bay can't pull off my cap magic with it. They aren't (can't) eating any money like it's a baseball or hockey trade; they're going to see a fat dead cap hit either way - and that's what makes it harder, it'd have to be a post-June 1 trade or would hit for another $68MM against the cap in 2023.



Carson Wentz was 28 (and 29), coming off a season where he had been benched, demanded a trade, and had several leaks about being a bad teammate (and he stinks).

DeShaun Watson was younger, but I think it's fair to say he carries way, way more baggage and disruption than Rodgers (and hadn't played in two years).

Carr seems like a good dude, but he'll be 32 at the start of the league year, his best year is roughly Rodgers's 2022, and you're gonna have to do something with that contract.

They're obviously not going to be perfect comps, but the price on QBs is as high as it's ever been - even if you're just hoping to get adequacy for a couple years out of the guy you trade for. You could maybe make an argument that Matt Ryan is the best comp here (a third rounder), but he was also several years removed from being useful. It's a tricky trade scenario, but Green Bay doesn't even get cap relief from trading him, so you can just about guarantee he'll fetch a viable return if he gets dealt.

So you're saying if Rodgers gets dealt, you think the Packers will get at minimum a 1st and a 3rd?

If that's the +/-, I'm taking the under.

[lambeauleap87]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

So you're saying if Rodgers gets dealt, you think the Packers will get at minimum a 1st and a 3rd?

If that's the +/-, I'm taking the under.

I wouldn't call it the minimum, but I think that's the approximate value (and that just about every aspect of the trade would likely have some conditional values to it).

His trade value is much lower than it was last year around this time when I advocated for trading him, but the "good" news is that there's nothing involving Rodgers that holds them hostage against the cap (compared to last year where they either needed to trade him or get a deal done).

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

I wouldn't call it the minimum, but I think that's the approximate value (and that just about every aspect of the trade would likely have some conditional values to it).

His trade value is much lower than it was last year around this time when I advocated for trading him, but the "good" news is that there's nothing involving Rodgers that holds them hostage against the cap (compared to last year where they either needed to trade him or get a deal done).

When has a 40 year old player been dealt for a 1st round plus?

At this point Rodgers is a risky rental. Maybe 1-2 years. That’s what makes it hard for me to buy into.