'86 Fleer Jordan card grading Question - Page 2

MiamiMarlinsFan · 11-27-2022, 05:28 PM

At this point you seem to have decided to submit with PSA. Like everyone else here, I highly doubt it will get a 9, but good luck. Report back when you get the results!

MJkid67 · 11-27-2022, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

You are having a hard time accepting what BGS and others are telling you.

It isn't surface "dirt".

How do you know? There is no obvious mark on the card and the graders don't wipe.

Tone the attitude down.

rfgilles · 11-27-2022, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJkid67

How do you know? There is no obvious mark on the card and the graders don't wipe.

Tone the attitude down.

Do you see "the dirt" on the card?

Gidtheson · 11-27-2022, 07:46 PM

amazing that card has been sitting in a shoe box for decades.
Good luck if you decide to sent it to PSA, but I agree that you should crack it open and send it in. Too much possibility for eyeball bias (I see an 8, convince me otherwise..), and it would give you the opportunity to remove any surface dust should that be the case.

DaveedTO · 11-27-2022, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MJkid67

Man of my word...

Yeah,
Looks like a PSA9!
May the Force be with you.

auburn35 · 11-27-2022, 08:23 PM

Nice find.

If PSA is your second choice opinion, makes little sense to set your minimum cross at a 9.
Also, not sure if it's your photos but there does appear to be some staining on the reverse. Not that PSA catches anything better than others but take a look above the Fleer logo and below the stats (pro totals); surface looks stained or dirty.

ReggieBush22 · 11-27-2022, 11:01 PM

It's a blazer for sure, sans the centering. But centering is a big factor.

If you crack and submit, i think you have a very good shot at an 8 as the edges, corners and surface look great. And i give you a 5-10% chance at a 9 if the grader is lenient on centering. But in terms of eye appeal, definitely a blazer.

ReggieBush22 · 11-27-2022, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MJkid67

mjohnatgt,

Where are you seeing the surface imperfection?

Back. Top-left, you see some red ink bleed into the white stock. But that's very minimal and overall, card is a blazer. The back has that pristine, white stock, which indicates it was never exposed to light for any sustained period of time.

JWBlue · 11-27-2022, 11:54 PM

89% chance an 8

10% a 9

1% a 7

RufussCkingston · 11-28-2022, 12:06 PM

I could see this getting an 8.5 possibly... But there is a question as to what is wrong with the surface. Regardless, you CANNOT send it in for a cross in this holder except if you put a min PSA 8 cross, but why predisposition your grader with the BGS flip grades. And also, you'd submit it expecting to get a PSA 8 (which is still worth more than a BGS 8), so you'll only pay $600 to grade it. If it gets a better grade, then they will send you an upcharge email to pay the extra $400, and you can rub it in our faces!!

Start watching those how to crack a BGS slab videos on Youtube!

MJkid67 · 12-31-2022, 08:50 AM

Received card back from PSA a few days ago.

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mjohnatgt · 12-31-2022, 09:20 AM

Congrats.

rfgilles · 12-31-2022, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MJkid67

Received card back from PSA a few days ago.

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Congrats.

smackvay · 12-31-2022, 10:56 AM

Nice one
If i could afford it that specific card and the story is the one i want

Dereth · 12-31-2022, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MJkid67

Received card back from PSA a few days ago.

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Congrats. Did you crack it or cross it over?

RufussCkingston · 12-31-2022, 01:51 PM

Great, please let us know if you cracked it out and what service level (grading fee) you submitted it at? Were you upcharged?

DaveedTO · 12-31-2022, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MJkid67

Received card back from PSA a few days ago.

Beautiful!!

RufussCkingston · 12-31-2022, 02:15 PM

ReggieBush22 · 12-31-2022, 04:46 PM

Wow, congrats!

How many times does a card in a BGS 8 crossovers to a PSA 9?

I still recall when BGS was absolutely the toughest graders when they first started. They lost their way over the years unfortunately.

MarsAttacks · 12-31-2022, 10:51 PM

Congrats. Those razor corners and edges did the 9 and made up for the centering.

JWBlue · 12-31-2022, 11:49 PM

Good call on attempting the cracking and submitting to PSA. A 9 seems fair.

Beavers98 · 01-01-2023, 12:00 AM

Congrats on the crossover. PSA fanbois in a tizzy trying to explain the BGS 8 To PSA 9. When will people realize the PSA hype is just that. hype. The pumpers really did a number on a lot of people.

MJGOAT23 · 01-03-2023, 09:05 AM

between the centering, lower right corner and "dirt" in a few spots on the back I am surprised this made it to a 9 but awesome job taking the swing.

Ericc5Bears · 01-03-2023, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MJGOAT23

between the centering, lower right corner and "dirt" in a few spots on the back I am surprised this made it to a 9 but awesome job taking the swing.

Call it hating if you want but that card should 100% not be a 9, the fact it is reflects very poorly on PSA imo

JustRachel · 01-03-2023, 05:28 PM

Wow, yes, great job "taking the swing". While reading this thread, I admit I doubted it would cross to a 9 (along with most here). That said, if ever there is a bgs to psa crossover candidate, it's a card with the lowest subgrade on centering. Kudos, it's an awesome card and it looks fantastic in that slab.

The only question I have is why did you send it to beckett in the first place? To save a couple bucks?

11-27-2022, 05:28 PM	#26
MiamiMarlinsFan Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 13,838	At this point you seem to have decided to submit with PSA. Like everyone else here, I highly doubt it will get a 9, but good luck. Report back when you get the results! Last edited by MiamiMarlinsFan; 11-27-2022 at 06:38 PM.

11-27-2022, 08:23 PM	#31
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,421	Nice find. If PSA is your second choice opinion, makes little sense to set your minimum cross at a 9. Also, not sure if it's your photos but there does appear to be some staining on the reverse. Not that PSA catches anything better than others but take a look above the Fleer logo and below the stats (pro totals); surface looks stained or dirty. __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

12-31-2022, 10:56 AM	#39
smackvay Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: west virginia Posts: 11,948	Nice one If i could afford it that specific card and the story is the one i want __________________ SUPERCOLLECTOR LOOKING FOR PAT WHITE CARDS NEED SILVER? HAVE SILVER? PM ME EITHER WAY

11-27-2022, 07:46 PM	#29
Gidtheson Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 645 arenatradingcards ArenaTradingCards	amazing that card has been sitting in a shoe box for decades. Good luck if you decide to sent it to PSA, but I agree that you should crack it open and send it in. Too much possibility for eyeball bias (I see an 8, convince me otherwise..), and it would give you the opportunity to remove any surface dust should that be the case.

11-27-2022, 11:01 PM	#32
ReggieBush22 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,629 lionpride	It's a blazer for sure, sans the centering. But centering is a big factor. If you crack and submit, i think you have a very good shot at an 8 as the edges, corners and surface look great. And i give you a 5-10% chance at a 9 if the grader is lenient on centering. But in terms of eye appeal, definitely a blazer.

11-27-2022, 11:54 PM	#34
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,975	89% chance an 8 10% a 9 1% a 7

11-28-2022, 12:06 PM	#35
RufussCkingston Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Uranus Posts: 1,301	I could see this getting an 8.5 possibly... But there is a question as to what is wrong with the surface. Regardless, you CANNOT send it in for a cross in this holder except if you put a min PSA 8 cross, but why predisposition your grader with the BGS flip grades. And also, you'd submit it expecting to get a PSA 8 (which is still worth more than a BGS 8), so you'll only pay $600 to grade it. If it gets a better grade, then they will send you an upcharge email to pay the extra $400, and you can rub it in our faces!! Start watching those how to crack a BGS slab videos on Youtube!

12-31-2022, 08:50 AM	#36
MJkid67 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Walpole, MA Posts: 35 monkeybox2001	Received card back from PSA a few days ago.

12-31-2022, 09:20 AM	#37
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,769 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Congrats.

12-31-2022, 01:51 PM	#41
RufussCkingston Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Uranus Posts: 1,301	Great, please let us know if you cracked it out and what service level (grading fee) you submitted it at? Were you upcharged?

12-31-2022, 02:15 PM	#43
RufussCkingston Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Uranus Posts: 1,301

12-31-2022, 04:46 PM	#44
ReggieBush22 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,629 lionpride	Wow, congrats! How many times does a card in a BGS 8 crossovers to a PSA 9? I still recall when BGS was absolutely the toughest graders when they first started. They lost their way over the years unfortunately.

12-31-2022, 10:51 PM	#45
MarsAttacks Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 319	Congrats. Those razor corners and edges did the 9 and made up for the centering.

12-31-2022, 11:49 PM	#46
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,975	Good call on attempting the cracking and submitting to PSA. A 9 seems fair.

01-01-2023, 12:00 AM	#47
Beavers98 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 11,062 beavers98	Congrats on the crossover. PSA fanbois in a tizzy trying to explain the BGS 8 To PSA 9. When will people realize the PSA hype is just that. hype. The pumpers really did a number on a lot of people.

01-03-2023, 09:05 AM	#48
MJGOAT23 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 2,939 djhoog23	between the centering, lower right corner and "dirt" in a few spots on the back I am surprised this made it to a 9 but awesome job taking the swing.

01-03-2023, 05:28 PM	#50
JustRachel Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 5,663	Wow, yes, great job "taking the swing". While reading this thread, I admit I doubted it would cross to a 9 (along with most here). That said, if ever there is a bgs to psa crossover candidate, it's a card with the lowest subgrade on centering. Kudos, it's an awesome card and it looks fantastic in that slab. The only question I have is why did you send it to beckett in the first place? To save a couple bucks?