2022 NFL MVP

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by TSonn

lol. No one was ignoring Mahomes' INTs. The point was that they still won the game (and were up big thanks to Mahomes) but you and a few others were adamant that those INTs were detrimental to Mahomes' MVP chances. Now Hurts has a 2 INT game (also in a win) and they aren't really that big of a deal I guess.

Neither guy pulled away this week, but Hurts took a hit.

Nobody said anything about Jalen's game today, until the Mahomies came in running their mouths.

Mahomes lost the Vegas odds lead last week? Why? Because of those interceptions. So yeah, I wasn't wrong, they were detrimental to his odds.

And if you think I'm saying the Hurts interceptions we're that big of a deal, go look at what I was responding to.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Brwdot

A fair and honest person would've just disproved something I said. But a troll would do what you just did continuously. You can choose to be who you want.

You made a huge statement with zero proof.

Originally Posted by Brwdot

Mahomes has a pretty big lead at this point. Don't think it's really close.

Then when someone gave you a verifiable metric showing a close race you doubled down by calling them dishonest.

Even after you yourself could offer no equally verifiable metric supporting your own claim and instead concluded with this weird post.

Originally Posted by Brwdot

All that said I wouldn't be surprised to be dead wrong and one of the other few players you could make a case for winds up being the clear cut narrative winner. That's often how these awards go.

None of your recent posts are a good look.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by jplarson

This is post #776 in this thread and it isn't even close.

Especially considering the Chiefs have a cakewalk schedule from here on out.

[LCM1223]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

More like Tommy falling on his face. 4 turnovers in 10 plays is rough

Did Brady give burrow 4 tuddies?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by whitmm

And your argument blew up in your face as well.

But keeping talking out of both sides of your mouth. I'm done

First solid line of logic out of you yet.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Especially considering the Chiefs have a cakewalk schedule from here on out.

Well now you're just being probably inherently dishonest. Could just be new though.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Especially considering the Chiefs have a cakewalk schedule from here on out.

But is it an easy schedule or very easy schedule? We gotta put some metrics around cakewalk. We talking 3-tier cake or more like a cupcake? There's folks out there who go bananas for cakewalks!

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Nobody said anything about Jalen's game today, until the Mahomies came in running their mouths.

Mahomes lost the Vegas odds lead last week? Why? Because of those interceptions. So yeah, I wasn't wrong, they were detrimental to his odds.

And if you think I'm saying the Hurts interceptions we're that big of a deal, go look at what I was responding to.

Wasn't it you who said this...

Originally Posted by whitmm

And Mahomes didn't have the better game today if you take the interceptions out. He had 369 total yards and 3 TD. Hurts had 376 and 3

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Again, go look at the original comment I responded to. Because you just took that second comment out of context.

Hell, even if you look at that one alone, it was a response to a comment that said if interceptions don't matter then Mahomes still had a better game. Way to ignore that.

I'd rather drive my car off a cliff than continue to try and reason with Mahomes fanboys that talk out of both sides of their mouth.

Well you said you were done an hour ago but keep posting. Is that you Majestik?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Wasn't it you who said this...

He's so spun around at this point that his can't even keep his own reasoning straight.

I mean, earlier in this thread he said he was done... yet he's still commenting.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by LCM1223

Did Brady give burrow 4 tuddies?

He definitely helped. Burrow had nothing in the first half until Brady imploded in the third quarter.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by tjforce

He's so spun around at this point that his can't even keep his own reasoning straight.

I mean, earlier in this thread he said he was done... yet he's still commenting.

I speaking to you, not anyone else. You should know that.

I hope Mahomes Theismann's his leg.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Well you said you were done an hour ago but keep posting. Is that you Majestik?

Could have said BNut , too.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Well now you're just being probably inherently dishonest. Could just be new though.

I’m just going on what others have said about the remaining schedule.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by jplarson

But is it an easy schedule or very easy schedule? We gotta put some metrics around cakewalk. We talking 3-tier cake or more like a cupcake? There's folks out there who go bananas for cakewalks!

Little Debbie Cakewalk.

Boos favorite.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I speaking to you, not anyone else. You should know that.

I hope Mahomes Theismann's his leg.

And yet, here you are, responding to me once again.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Wow. You really are a miserable individual. Really feel that holiday spirit. Sorry life hasn't turned out like you hoped.
I'll still say Merry Christmas. It's not that bad

You're just a miserable troll. I wish you only the worst.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I speaking to you, not anyone else. You should know that.

I hope Mahomes Theismann's his leg.

Quoted for funsies.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by whitmm

I hope Mahomes Theismann's his leg.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

The conversation was cordial until he showed up.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I think we should establish what a "big" win will look like for those who are so confident they've already identified the winner.

At least 45 first place votes?

40?

35?

Let's set the bar now.

Just to add some "honest" data to this point, here are the winning margins over the last ten years:

2021 - Aaron Rodgers with 29 votes over Tom Brady.
2020 - Aaron Rodgers with 40 votes over Josh Allen.
2019 - Lamar Jackson with 50 votes over everyone.
2018 - Patty Mahomes with 32 votes over Drew Brees.
2017 - Tom Brady with 32 votes over Todd Gurley.
2016 - Matt Ryan with 15 votes over Tom Brady.
2015 - Cam Newton with 47 votes over Tom Brady / Carson Palmer.
2014 - Aaron Rodgers with 18 votes over J.J. Watt.
2013 - Peyton Manning with 48 votes over Tom Brady.
2012 - Adrian Peterson with 11 votes over Peyton Manning.

So the average margin of victory is 32.2 votes. Setting the bar for a "big lead" or a "big margin" at 40 votes over the runner up seems fair.

Honestly, unless Mahomes or Hurts absolutely implodes over these last few weeks, I don't see either one reaching +40 votes.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Just to add some "honest" data to this point, here are the winning margins over the last ten years:

2021 - Aaron Rodgers with 29 votes over Tom Brady.
2020 - Aaron Rodgers with 40 votes over Josh Allen.
2019 - Lamar Jackson with 50 votes over everyone.
2018 - Patty Mahomes with 32 votes over Drew Brees.
2017 - Tom Brady with 32 votes over Todd Gurley.
2016 - Matt Ryan with 15 votes over Tom Brady.
2015 - Cam Newton with 47 votes over Tom Brady / Carson Palmer.
2014 - Aaron Rodgers with 18 votes over J.J. Watt.
2013 - Peyton Manning with 48 votes over Tom Brady.
2012 - Adrian Peterson with 11 votes over Peyton Manning.

So the average margin of victory is 32.2 votes. Setting the bar for a "big lead" or a "big margin" at 40 votes over the runner up seems fair.

Honestly, unless Mahomes or Hurts absolutely implodes over these last few weeks, I don't see either one reaching +40 votes.

I don't either but sometimes it feels like the voters get together at the end and are like "who are you voting for?". I have a feeling recency bias will be huge.

[2010GBPackers]

Let's stay on the rails, guys. This is a literal dead heat. I bet it's even odds tomorrow. Great game by Mahomes (not so much the Chiefs) and a good game by Hurts (his rushing stats are carrying him). Someone will slip up these next three games. Enjoy it, boys!

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I don't either but sometimes it feels like the voters get together at the end and are like "who are you voting for?". I have a feeling recency bias will be huge.

Next week is Bills vs Bears and Bengals vs Patriots.

After that, Bills vs Bengals.

Winning QB of that game is going to be right in the race, whether they deserve it or not. And to be honest, if Mahomes and Hurts both lose a game (both are playing a team fighting for a playoff spot this week), they might very well deserve to be in the conversation.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Let's stay on the rails, guys. This is a literal dead heat. I bet it's even odds tomorrow. Great game by Mahomes (not so much the Chiefs) and a good game by Hurts (his rushing stats are carrying him). Someone will slip up these next three games. Enjoy it, boys!

I heard from an authority on the matter state that this was a dishonest take.