New Signed Books from Barnes and Noble - Page 132

duwal · 11-15-2022, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ShoutFan2020

John Mellencamp signed bookplate at Book-Ends for $249

wow that is steep for a guy known as a really good signer TTM

hepcat · 11-15-2022, 02:03 PM

Trying this again...they cancelled my preorder, but surprise, available again /s.

Steve Martin: Number One is Walking Signed from B&N:
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/num...=9781250866370

eldavojohn · 11-15-2022, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hepcat

Trying this again...they cancelled my preorder, but surprise, available again /s.

Steve Martin: Number One is Walking Signed from B&N:
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/num...=9781250866370

They sent my books but canceled my charge. So they sent me an email to please call them and work it out. I just haven't had time. Tried to do it over chat.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're now selling all the cancelled orders that they cancelled even though they had the books ... given that they sent my books without charging me. They also weirdly rejected my $5 verizon gift card for that order ... *sigh* c'mon B&N.

eldavojohn · 11-15-2022, 04:59 PM

All the iggy pop us stuff is back in stock:
https://store.iggypop.com/en/iggy-po...678626135.html
https://store.iggypop.com/en/iggy-po...678628559.html
https://store.iggypop.com/en/iggy-po...678626166.html

eldavojohn · 11-16-2022, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

$600 Bob Dylan signed Philosophy book. Please note that the the site says "THESE ARE FINAL SALE AND NON-RETURNABLE." So basically I took the dive but know what you're getting into if these aren't deemed real.

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Originally Posted by StevieV

Thanks a ton for this! I took the plunge also so I'm neck deep with you LOL. I really hope they're authentic. I wanted his autograph for so long but it's too risky buying off eBay - with how tough a signer he has been over the years.

Just got shipping on this to arrive Friday. Will upload pics when it comes. Looks like it's still available which seems like a bad sign but did see this:

fishmc · 11-18-2022, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Just got shipping on this to arrive Friday. Will upload pics when it comes. Looks like it's still available which seems like a bad sign but did see this:

From a copy that just showed up for someone people are saying that they look like autopens. https://imgur.com/a/PM77jhd

eldavojohn · 11-18-2022, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fishmc

From a copy that just showed up for someone people are saying that they look like autopens. https://imgur.com/a/PM77jhd

Yeah that's what they're saying in the RACC group. That photo there is 100% autopen, no two ways about it. If mine looks like that, I'm calling S&S and, well, I've never done a paypal or credit card charge back but if it comes to that ... I have put so much money through this credit card with this hobby I hope they back me up.

yoyosh · 11-18-2022, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fishmc

From a copy that just showed up for someone people are saying that they look like autopens. https://imgur.com/a/PM77jhd

Oofa, def looks autopen’d

ShoutFan2020 · 11-18-2022, 10:10 AM

Final Sale and Non-Returnable provisions do not apply if the item in fact is fraudulent.

StevieV · 11-18-2022, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

Yeah that's what they're saying in the RACC group. That photo there is 100% autopen, no two ways about it. If mine looks like that, I'm calling S&S and, well, I've never done a paypal or credit card charge back but if it comes to that ... I have put so much money through this credit card with this hobby I hope they back me up.

What a disaster. I don't know whether to just refuse delivery or accept it and deal with this after. Will I definitely get a refund if I refuse delivery or will I still have to fight for it?

fishmc · 11-18-2022, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by StevieV

What a disaster. I don't know whether to just refuse delivery or accept it and deal with this after. Will I definitely get a refund if I refuse delivery or will I still have to fight for it?

Good question. I'm not sure how Paypal deals with "item not received" cases when the buyer is the one refusing it.

S&S said these were "guaranteed to be personally hand-signed by Bob Dylan!". In theory it should be fairly simple to get a charge back if they are deemed to be autopen. People should know a lot more later today as more copies get delivered and calls/emails start flooding into S&S. Maybe don't answer the door when the delivery shows up today and see how it plays out? Then make the decision on the 2nd delivery attempt?

StevieV · 11-18-2022, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fishmc

Good question. I'm not sure how Paypal deals with "item not received" cases when the buyer is the one refusing it.

S&S said these were "guaranteed to be personally hand-signed by Bob Dylan!". In theory it should be fairly simple to get a charge back if they are deemed to be autopen. People should know a lot more later today as more copies get delivered and calls/emails start flooding into S&S. Maybe don't answer the door when the delivery shows up today and see how it plays out? Then make the decision on the 2nd delivery attempt?

I've decided to just accept it when it arrives and go from there. Refusing might lead to more problems than simply accepting as far as getting my money back. At the very least it'll make the whole process be longer. I've been reading that sometimes it takes a while for them to actually 'return to sender' and there may not be tracking going back.

StevieV · 11-18-2022, 01:02 PM

Is it possible that these can ALL be autopen when every one shown so far looks different?

K111 · 11-18-2022, 01:52 PM

to me those autographs look to good, either another person is signing them or maybe autopens or I don't know, or who knows maybe he is really sitting there and taking his time to sign each one really good, I guess you will never know unless there is video evidence, this is the only confirmed auto of a Dylan auto in the last 10 years that I have seen (from Pawn Stars) and it doesn't seem to resemble cuz those look to good but who knows

fishmc · 11-18-2022, 01:54 PM

People are now reporting seeing exact duplicate sigs over on the live.autographmagazine forums. So it appears they are autopen with numerous variations.

StevieV · 11-18-2022, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fishmc

People are now reporting seeing exact duplicate sigs over on the live.autographmagazine forums. So it appears they are autopen with numerous variations.

Yeah they look to be autopen - just with 10 or so variations, which is even more shady and egregious than just one. They're knowingly trying to dupe people.

And I agree with what was said by a user over there, S&S should send every buyer of these their money back without the hassle of having to return them. That's all I'm thinking now, "What do I have to do now to get my money back?". They shouldn't make buyers have to be hassled & aggravated any more than they already have been. Just give the money back ASAP.

K111 · 11-18-2022, 02:41 PM

it is mind boggling they thought they could get away with it, are they new to the internet? don't they understand these things are going to be scrutinized? and the best I am reading is the "no returns" from these signed editions, good luck with the class action lawsuit and negative PR if you stick by this

cardlover29 · 11-18-2022, 03:22 PM

he probably signed 9 and they just cranked out 100 of each. There was a zero percent chance these were going to be real. I know the price made it look so, but really this guy has to be the toughest autograph to obtain, no way he was going to sign 900 autographs after signing probably 10 in the past 50 years.

eldavojohn · 11-18-2022, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cardlover29

after signing probably 10 in the past 50 years.

This is false. There are far more than 10 available on this site.

eldavojohn · 11-18-2022, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by StevieV

Is it possible that these can ALL be autopen when every one shown so far looks different?

I'm pretty sure they are all autopen. One or two, I would like to see better photos but yeah if you look at the ends and starts of the strokes, they all have uniform dots.

Go get a felt tip pen. Sign your name quickly. Maybe one or two starts have a blot. Now do it mechanically and try to apply even pressure. You will see that your natural signature does not have uniform thickness nor does it have the start and stop resting blots that all of these appear to have.

eldavojohn · 11-18-2022, 04:18 PM

Just got mine, it's autopen: https://imgur.com/a/HqMFNHY

The high res scanner does wash out the strokes but just makes the autopen blots all that more visible:

cardlover29 · 11-18-2022, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

This is false. There are far more than 10 available on this site.

I am talking about in person, not for sale online. I am an in person grapher, have been for over 15 years. Dylan is by far the toughest. Only 2 graphers that I know personally who have got him. My friends (the top autograph dealers in the world) and I have conversations about signing habits often... If you think he has signed more in person then you are wrong.

eldavojohn · 11-18-2022, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cardlover29

I am talking about in person, not for sale online. I am an in person grapher, have been for over 15 years. Dylan is by far the toughest. Only 2 graphers that I know personally who have got him.

But these books are for sale online. You said "no way he was going to sign 900 autographs after signing probably 10 in the past 50 years."

He sells his art with real pencil signatures. So because he doesn't do street autographs, he's not going to sell high priced books signed online? Of course he could, he already sells $3k lithographs with his autograph.

I know it's impossible to get his autograph, it's why I thought $644 was a good deal on a book that was direct from the publisher. He obviously sets aside time to sign his lithographs en masse.

cardlover29 · 11-18-2022, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by eldavojohn

But these books are for sale online. You said "no way he was going to sign 900 autographs after signing probably 10 in the past 50 years."

He sells his art with real pencil signatures. So because he doesn't do street autographs, he's not going to sell high priced books signed online? Of course he could, he already sells $3k lithographs with his autograph.

I know it's impossible to get his autograph, it's why I thought $644 was a good deal on a book that was direct from the publisher. He obviously sets aside time to sign his lithographs en masse.

fair enough but a celebrities signing habits count for a lot here. You cant expect dylan to sign 900 autograph books, its just crazy to expect that. anyway, its clear that these are autopen. thats too bad and I hope you all can get your money back. I would just go straight to your credit card and file a claim. I suspect that the publisher will give you trouble after having a clause in their listing, even though its clearly fake.

eldavojohn · 11-18-2022, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cardlover29

fair enough but a celebrities signing habits count for a lot here.

Well, you've been at this for 15 years so you probably know the answer to this but do you see a difference between "Hey man, love your music, can I get a free autograph?" and "I pay this website $644 for a signed book."

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Originally Posted by cardlover29

You cant expect dylan to sign 900 autograph books, its just crazy to expect that.

Well if that's just crazy and super duper obvious to you, I would have appreciated that information up front. I guess we're different in that if you said you were going to buy a new book signed by David Bowie, I'd have the decency to tell you they're not going to be real autographs. Of course, I can't find you warning me when I posted this that these are not happening or it's crazy to expect that.

By the way, when I saw these were still for sale an hour later, I knew I was in trouble. When I bought it, nowhere on the site did it say "Bob Dylan signs 900 books!" I thought this would be handful just like the UK sale.

But hey, it was obvious to everyone but me, the sucker with $644 to burn.

11-15-2022, 02:03 PM	#3277
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11-18-2022, 01:52 PM	#3289
K111 Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 210	to me those autographs look to good, either another person is signing them or maybe autopens or I don't know, or who knows maybe he is really sitting there and taking his time to sign each one really good, I guess you will never know unless there is video evidence, this is the only confirmed auto of a Dylan auto in the last 10 years that I have seen (from Pawn Stars) and it doesn't seem to resemble cuz those look to good but who knows Attached Thumbnails

11-15-2022, 04:59 PM	#3279
eldavojohn Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: the MooN Posts: 8,002 el-davo	All the iggy pop us stuff is back in stock: https://store.iggypop.com/en/iggy-po...678626135.html https://store.iggypop.com/en/iggy-po...678628559.html https://store.iggypop.com/en/iggy-po...678626166.html

11-18-2022, 10:10 AM	#3284
ShoutFan2020 Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 1,012	Final Sale and Non-Returnable provisions do not apply if the item in fact is fraudulent.

11-18-2022, 01:02 PM	#3288
StevieV Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 874	Is it possible that these can ALL be autopen when every one shown so far looks different?

11-18-2022, 01:54 PM	#3290
fishmc Member Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 36	People are now reporting seeing exact duplicate sigs over on the live.autographmagazine forums. So it appears they are autopen with numerous variations.

11-18-2022, 02:41 PM	#3292
K111 Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 210	it is mind boggling they thought they could get away with it, are they new to the internet? don't they understand these things are going to be scrutinized? and the best I am reading is the "no returns" from these signed editions, good luck with the class action lawsuit and negative PR if you stick by this

11-18-2022, 03:22 PM	#3293
cardlover29 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,191	he probably signed 9 and they just cranked out 100 of each. There was a zero percent chance these were going to be real. I know the price made it look so, but really this guy has to be the toughest autograph to obtain, no way he was going to sign 900 autographs after signing probably 10 in the past 50 years.

11-18-2022, 04:18 PM	#3296
eldavojohn Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: the MooN Posts: 8,002 el-davo	Just got mine, it's autopen: https://imgur.com/a/HqMFNHY The high res scanner does wash out the strokes but just makes the autopen blots all that more visible: