Best Offers Not Really For Sale

[oddstuff]

Reminds me of the phrase...."sucks to be you" lol. I don't ever need a card that bad to pay for a card being asked for unreasonable price. If the buyer won't accept my best offer, I move on. I see it as both a seller and a buyer. As a seller wanting an unreasonable amount, sucks for me because I'm probably missing out on a decent sale. As a buyer, sucks that I can't complete my collection. Hopefully, there are some reasonable sellers and buyers out there who are willing to meet somewhere in the middle that leaves both sides happy. But...to get all worked up here is pretty counterproductive. Just move on...

[DynaEtch]

Whitmm cant comprehend posts, it's a lost cause. See previous posts, nothing has changed.

Not linking an ebay account doesnt mean the person has no experience on ebay, I have plenty- thousands of feedback, stellar record btw. Whitmm's however is linked with actually 0 feedback and no transactions. This is the person that is (bizarrely) trying to create the pseudo-debate about ebay transactions. Mind boggling. Speaking of acting childish, I mean just look at these posts.

[HRderby22]

Originally Posted by base set

I have seen random low /x cards few want get shilled 4 times in 2 years, looking at the serial number. Same card, same seller. Won’t truly “let it ride”

You can see it in a lot less than 2 years too. There was a Gunnar Henderson serial #'d auto I'd been tracking (and recording in Excel) and 3 of the last dozen or so comps were from the same seller - same card; and of course all 3 above market comps. Best part is, he actually listed it for a 4th time.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

This pretty much sums up why this thread exists. The fact that people get personally offended at how someone else chooses to negotiate, respond to an offer, or how low their offer is, is the real issue here.

Some people take this way to personally. Even OP, who repeatedly claims not to be angry at someone ignoring their offer, has repeatedly made the assumption that they ignored their offer to "be nasty" or for some other nefarious reason.

One maxim I like to live by is that being offended is only a testament that a person cannot control their own emotions/reactions. The fact that people are offended over card transactions is ridiculous.

If a seller manually rejects a buyer's good faith and competitive offer using the best offer option that was purposely provided by the seller, the seller either doesn't want to actually sell their card, is a greedy dick, uses best offers to price their card, or is inexperienced at selling and doesn't know what they're doing. Either way, I don't want to deal with that seller. Even if they provided the best offer option by mistake, the seller could counter with the price they are actually selling the card at. I'm interested in dealing with sellers who act in good faith and who actually want to sell their cards.

This isn't just about being offended by a rude seller. It's about doing business with someone who conducts themselves professionally.

[fabiani12333]

I want an experienced eBay seller to explain to me why it's a good strategy to outright reject a buyer's competitive offer. They must think it's a savvy negotiating strategy. They think playing hard to get is a good way to gain leverage in a negotiation.

I've dealt with some stupid sellers like this. All you do is alienate potential buyers and possibly reduce the highest price you can get for your card.

[clocsta2323]

Buyer's ghost legitimate counters many many multiples over sellers.

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I want an experienced eBay seller to explain to me why it's a good strategy to outright reject a buyer's competitive offer. They must think it's a savvy negotiating strategy. They think playing hard to get is a good way to gain leverage in a negotiation.

I've dealt with some stupid sellers like this. All you do is alienate potential buyers and possibly reduce the highest price you can get for your card.

In general, I agree with this - it's better to counter back at your previous offer. It's a clear "this is my floor" signal but it leaves the offer out there, versus the potential sting that a buyer would feel of a flat out rejection, plus not leaving them a button they can hit to execute a deal.

[BigSeph]

There will come a day in the not too distant future when a lot of these sellers end up taking less than what they are being offered today. To pay the utility bills and rent.

Greed is a temporary condition until necessity steps in.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Whitmm cant comprehend posts, it's a lost cause. See previous posts, nothing has changed.

Not linking an ebay account doesnt mean the person has no experience on ebay, I have plenty- thousands of feedback, stellar record btw. Whitmm's however is linked with actually 0 feedback and no transactions. This is the person that is (bizarrely) trying to create the pseudo-debate about ebay transactions. Mind boggling. Speaking of acting childish, I mean just look at these posts.

What's your ebay id?

I don't need to be on ebay to understand that the OP is crying about not getting his way. The seller did nothing wrong. The OP is crying and name calling and accusing a seller how having a superiority complex. Maybe grow up and move on. The seller doesn't owe you anything

Same goes for you Dyna, quit your crying. You are too dumb to realize that in any example you've thrown out about this thread that you are the one that's in the wrong. Quit trying to play the victim. And trying to say I can't have an opinion because you can't find my active ebay account makes you the winner of stupidest person in the world. So, please provide your id so I can block you and never deal with you

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

If a seller manually rejects a buyer's good faith and competitive offer using the best offer option that was purposely provided by the seller, the seller either doesn't want to actually sell their card, is a greedy dick, uses best offers to price their card, or is inexperienced at selling and doesn't know what they're doing. Either way, I don't want to deal with that seller. Even if they provided the best offer option by mistake, the seller could counter with the price they are actually selling the card at. I'm interested in dealing with sellers who act in good faith and who actually want to sell their cards.

This isn't just about being offended by a rude seller. It's about doing business with someone who conducts themselves professionally.

Tell me how the OP is acting in a professional manner?

[kdem2357]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I want an experienced eBay seller to explain to me why it's a good strategy to outright reject a buyer's competitive offer. They must think it's a savvy negotiating strategy. They think playing hard to get is a good way to gain leverage in a negotiation.

I've dealt with some stupid sellers like this. All you do is alienate potential buyers and possibly reduce the highest price you can get for your card.

It is easy, it isn't worth the time to counter. There is no point in countering the generic shitty 50% offer or the lowball offer that comes right after listing at a competitive price. These buyers are a waste of time and a nuisance to sellers.

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

There will come a day in the not too distant future when a lot of these sellers end up taking less than what they are being offered today. To pay the utility bills and rent.

Greed is a temporary condition until necessity steps in.

I've found people who make comments like this are usually projecting their own financial station in life on "greedy sellers".

[HRderby22]

Originally Posted by kdem2357

It is easy, it isn't worth the time to counter. There is no point in countering the generic shitty 50% offer or the lowball offer that comes right after listing at a competitive price. These buyers are a waste of time and a nuisance to sellers.

Valid, but didn't he say "competitive offer"? An offer at 50% of the market isn't much of an offer. I agree with you there.

[BigSeph]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

I've found people who make comments like this are usually projecting their own financial station in life on "greedy sellers".

No. Just a student of history.

Things don't always go up forever. There are good times and bad times in any economy and it's important to remember that.

https://www.yahoo.com/video/jaw-drop...ng%20expenses.

When half the country is paying essential bills with credit cards (and those interest rates keep rising), you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what's coming.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

No. Just a student of history.

Things don't always go up forever. There are good times and bad times in any economy and it's important to remember that.

https://www.yahoo.com/video/jaw-drop...ng%20expenses.

When half the country is paying essential bills with credit cards (and those interest rates keep rising), you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what's coming.

So the only people in the hobby that will be affected will be the sellers?

I'd guess more of these sellers have higher prices because they aren't desperate for the money than there are just clueless sellers.

And if/when it gets to the point of having to fire sale things to pay bills (which at that point we have bigger problems) there's also going to be a considerable amount, I'd even way more, buyers that are going to have to stop buying for the exact same reasons.

[SupermanBrandon]

Wait...whitmm doesn't have an eBay account (at all)?

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Wait...whitmm doesn't have an eBay account (at all)?

Buying and selling is the exact same anywhere you do it. Seller did nothing wrong

[BigSeph]

Originally Posted by whitmm

So the only people in the hobby that will be affected will be the sellers?

I'd guess more of these sellers have higher prices because they aren't desperate for the money than there are just clueless sellers.

And if/when it gets to the point of having to fire sale things to pay bills (which at that point we have bigger problems) there's also going to be a considerable amount, I'd even way more, buyers that are going to have to stop buying for the exact same reasons.

When did I say the only people affected will be sellers?

Beat up that strawman buddy.

Lots of sellers just flex on ebay (like blackjadewolf with all the Flawless cards and putting $10k/$20k/$100k prices on it all) and have zero intention of selling unless somebody drunkBINs their overpriced cards.

Then you have the pumper/shill crew who have cornered the market on 86 Tiffany Bonds PSA10/BGS9.5s. Know what the last Bonds 9.5 sold for?

$1525.

Know what the cheapest BIN price is for an available 9.5?

$2999.

Do you know that the REAL value on a 1986 Tiffany Bonds is actually around $1500, but they intentionally shill some auctions up to $1900+?

I dislike the "intentionally overprice it" sellers because there are a lot of people new to collecting or unfamiliar with doing historic ebay searches and stumble into these scumbags trying to take advantage of them.

I have never liked that aspect of collecting and I never will.

I get that it's more of a business now than it was in the 80s/90s, but scum is scum.

And if me calling them out for it bothers you.......... that's your problem.

[shawnkrebs]

I sell cards on eBay. 95% of my sales are through Best Offer. Here is my perspective.

I appreciate and do my best to respond to all offers, though several times over the past 20 or so years, have not prioritized responding to a lesser offer. Cards for me is a hobby. Other priorities will always supersede responding to lesser offers on my listings. I hope to at least decline or counter every submitted offer.

I do try to respond to offers as soon as possible, especially competitive offers. Sometimes, its not quick enough. Yesterday morning I received a competitive offer on a listing, which I almost accepted outright. I was working though, and didn't have a chance to check my inventory spreadsheet to confirm my internal values before the offer was rescinded several hours later. Hopefully buyers understand, once they've submitted an offer, not to personalize the incoming response (or lack of immediate response). Sellers are individuals with differing expectations and priorities. For some, selling cards is not a full time experience.

Personally, I reject offers less than 50% of what I would accept knowing, based on my experience, those offers will likely not translate to a sale. My acceptance value is based on my cost to acquire the card, combined with current values and trends. I generally list harder to find cards with lower population reports or serial #'d, so there are not as many comparables.

I hope to sell every card I have listed, though I do have small group of cards from my personal collection listed with the primary goal of maintaining or increasing the value of my collection.

Just shy of 25% of the offers I have accepted have been non-payment over the last 12 months. I do not know the exact statistics, but would estimate at least a 40% of my counteroffers within the last 12 months have gone without response as well. An I always worry many of the offers I receive are from others looking to just gauge the value of their similar card.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by shawnkrebs

I sell cards on eBay. 95% of my sales are through Best Offer. Here is my perspective.

I appreciate and do my best to respond to all offers, though several times over the past 20 or so years, have not prioritized responding to a lesser offer. Cards for me is a hobby. Other priorities will always supersede responding to lesser offers on my listings. I hope to at least decline or counter every submitted offer.

I do try to respond to offers as soon as possible, especially competitive offers. Sometimes, its not quick enough. Yesterday morning I received a competitive offer on a listing, which I almost accepted outright. I was working though, and didn't have a chance to check my inventory spreadsheet to confirm my internal values before the offer was rescinded several hours later. Hopefully buyers understand, once they've submitted an offer, not to personalize the incoming response (or lack of immediate response). Sellers are individuals with differing expectations and priorities. For some, selling cards is not a full time experience.

Personally, I reject offers less than 50% of what I would accept knowing, based on my experience, those offers will likely not translate to a sale. My acceptance value is based on my cost to acquire the card, combined with current values and trends. I generally list harder to find cards with lower population reports or serial #'d, so there are not as many comparables.

I hope to sell every card I have listed, though I do have small group of cards from my personal collection listed with the primary goal of maintaining or increasing the value of my collection.

Just shy of 25% of the offers I have accepted have been non-payment over the last 12 months. I do not know the exact statistics, but would estimate at least a 40% of my counteroffers within the last 12 months have gone without response as well. An I always worry many of the offers I receive are from others looking to just gauge the value of their similar card.

You should set up auto-decline for offers below 50%. Make a note in your listings to potential buyers to wait at least 24 hours for a response to their offer, due to how busy you are with your day job. Be transparent and forthright. Let buyers know how you do business.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

When did I say the only people affected will be sellers?

Beat up that strawman buddy.

Lots of sellers just flex on ebay (like blackjadewolf with all the Flawless cards and putting $10k/$20k/$100k prices on it all) and have zero intention of selling unless somebody drunkBINs their overpriced cards.

I deleted your rambling that had nothing to do with anything from your previous post.

You made a comment about how that a lot of the sellers that post way above comps are going to have to sell for way less then current offers. It wasn't a straw man. You made a post that really ignored that these people are doing their selling because they are desperate for money. Then you linked to an article about half the country using credit cards to pay utilities and rent, another thing that most likely doesn't apply to the sellers in question. You said it when you decided to say that these sellers are going to have to sell for less then current comps to pay bills, that sounds a lot like you projecting

Your rambling about the Bonds card had nothing to do with this. You rambling about calling out people was completely off topic.

[Timsterino]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

There will come a day in the not too distant future when a lot of these sellers end up taking less than what they are being offered today. To pay the utility bills and rent.

Greed is a temporary condition until necessity steps in.

You are making a big assumption that eBay is their only source of income. That is absolutely not the case 8/10 times. Most sellers don’t have to sell cards to pay the bills. They sell cards because they want to buy other cards.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by whitmm

What's your ebay id?

I don't need to be on ebay to understand that the OP is crying about not getting his way. The seller did nothing wrong. The OP is crying and name calling and accusing a seller how having a superiority complex. Maybe grow up and move on. The seller doesn't owe you anything

Same goes for you Dyna, quit your crying. You are too dumb to realize that in any example you've thrown out about this thread that you are the one that's in the wrong. Quit trying to play the victim. And trying to say I can't have an opinion because you can't find my active ebay account makes you the winner of stupidest person in the world. So, please provide your id so I can block you and never deal with you

Irony off the charts. This troll/online debate warrior has been wrong/missing the point/not even understanding posts in just about every response to my posts (go back to his very first point- a wrong point- that was shot down in my first response to him). He has been crying about how other users choose to go about their own business on eBay- users who do actually buy and sell on eBay. He doesnt understand the point of posts even after the points are spelled out in the most basic manner possible (see sequence of last few posts). This is just amazing lack of self-awareness.

A linked eBay account with 0 feedback says it all. This is a sad, sad, pseudo-debate from a poster with likely little to no experience on the platform. If there is another ‘active’ account- multiple eBay accounts? Circumventing blocks? Multiple BO accounts too I wonder?, I’d hate to see the record on that account based on the childish posts on here. I’ll just go your route though- ‘doesn’t exist without evidence’. In fact your other responses on this issue seem to agree with that anyway. I do plenty of business on eBay but Im under no obligation to post the ID for trolls like yourself to interfere. Feel free to post your supposed active alt eBay account, which no one is buying, so we can block though.

[grizjunkie23]

In general:

1) When I list a card with a Best Offer, I'll review recently ended listings and price it north of where those listings ended. I do this in part to account for potential a upswing in the market for that card, but mainly because people like to haggle. You'd be surprised how many times in the past I'd list a BIN under recent completed sales, only to watch it rot as people bid on auctions for the same card over my asking price (with free shipping to boot). Many people just refuse to pay full asking on principle, regardless of logic.

2) On the vast majority of my listings, I will happily accept offers that are in line with (or even a little lower than) recent sales.

3) I have several higher end cards posted with "ambitious" asking prices. These are typically cards that do not sell often, or have very few others available online. In many cases, they are cards that are part of my personal collection that I have no intention of selling for less than a certain amount over what I acquired them for. There are people who may want them more than me, who are willing to pay accordingly, and I will happily move profits into cards I want more.

4) I take no offense whatsoever to "lowball" offers. In many cases, buyers are just testing the waters to see where you're at on the price. I'll typically respond with something more in line with what I'm after, and am happy to haggle from there. I'll also let buyers know when I'm at my bottom dollar on a particular card. I'll often go lower than that if they're interested in doing a larger deal.

5) The only instance where I'll flat out decline an offer is when I receive a counteroffer that's lower than the buyer's initial offer. I'm happy to discuss the buyer's reasoning for a particular price, but I won't play games.

6) I will regularly submit offers on cards I like that are significantly lower than the sellers' asking price. Sometimes my offers are in line with recent sales, and sometimes they're just intended to get the ball rolling on negotiations. In general, I offer at the low end of what I believe is fair for a particular card, but not so low as to give offense.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

Beat up that strawman buddy.

He does that a lot

Originally Posted by BigSeph

And if me calling them out for it bothers you.......... that's your problem.

This.