Draymond Green vs. Jordan Poole: Which one stays, which one goes? Or do both stay? - Page 2

mfw13 · 10-09-2022, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

You can find guys like Poole anywhere.

Disagree....very few players have Poole's terrific first step and ability to blow by defenders. He needs to tighten up his handle, bump his 3-pt shooting up another couple of percentage points, and improve his defense, but right now he's basically a younger and rawer version of peak-level James Harden.

mfw13 · 10-09-2022, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

He definitely showed last year he's not washed at all. Would've been run away DPOY if not for missing games with injury. Just a constant theme (not you) people think Draymond doesn't really make a difference, he's hugely valuable.

He's hugely valuable when he's healthy and locked in. But that's happening less and less frequently these days.

Physically, he's starting to wear down, and mentally he's starting to make more and more bad passes on offense.

He's still a defensive stud, though.

Ericc5Bears · 10-09-2022, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Disagree....very few players have Poole's terrific first step and ability to blow by defenders. He needs to tighten up his handle, bump his 3-pt shooting up another couple of percentage points, and improve his defense, but right now he's basically a younger and rawer version of peak-level James Harden.

OKC James Harden is the perfect comparison for Poole. I wasn't 100% sold on him being a future superstar/star until the end of last season, but then Steph missed the last 15 games of the regular season, and in those games, Poole averaged a casual
25.9 - 5.7 - 4.7 on 60 TS%.

Those are bonafide superstar numbers while leading the Warriors to over a .500 record in those games (the Warriors couldn't even play .500 ball without Steph when KD was there). He followed that up with an absolutely absurd start to his first playoff series but then cooled down a bit as soon as Steph was back to playing 30+ minutes a night. Overall he put up 17 PPG on 66 TS%(LMAO) in his first-ever postseason at 22 years old while winning a ring in the process.

The eye test and stats both scream that he is a future superstar, the only reason it hasn't happened yet is because he's on one of the few teams in the league with a lead-ball handler who's unquestionably better than him. If a guard-needy team can manage to steal him from Golden State I am confident that it will end up being the best contract for a non-supermax free agent since Harden.

fabiani12333 · 10-09-2022, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Disagree....very few players have Poole's terrific first step and ability to blow by defenders. He needs to tighten up his handle, bump his 3-pt shooting up another couple of percentage points, and improve his defense, but right now he's basically a younger and rawer version of peak-level James Harden.

James Harden -- what?

At his peak, Harden was the best one-on-one offensive player in the world.

Poole doesn't have the moves, ball handling ability, or instincts to sniff Harden.

Poole has good speed and quickness, but he needs the ball handling skills and court awareness to take full advantage of it.

ragingbull · 10-09-2022, 11:22 PM

I watched Steve Kerr addressing the incident, and I feel that he is not so happy with DG. As far as I know, DG is stepping back from the Warriors and Kerr said that the decision is mutual. As important as DG is for the Warriors, Kerr is showing that no one is indispensable.

DG can walk away, and the Warriors will have to move on.

fabiani12333 · 10-09-2022, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

He definitely showed last year he's not washed at all. Would've been run away DPOY if not for missing games with injury. Just a constant theme (not you) people think Draymond doesn't really make a difference, he's hugely valuable.

He's getting worn down -- it was bound to happen due to his relatively small size for a power forward and sometimes center.

His real value is in the playoffs. His ability to guard almost anyone as a big man is great value in the playoffs. Defense and matchups are a lot more important in the playoffs.

dunkindutchmen · 10-10-2022, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Disagree....very few players have Poole's terrific first step and ability to blow by defenders. He needs to tighten up his handle, bump his 3-pt shooting up another couple of percentage points, and improve his defense, but right now he's basically a younger and rawer version of peak-level James Harden.

his handle is legitimately the best part of his game. It's elite and how he creates shots so well. He's also a super gifted passer and playmaker.

His main and only substantial weakness is his defense.

dunkindutchmen · 10-10-2022, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fabiani12333

James Harden -- what?

At his peak, Harden was the best one-on-one offensive player in the world.

Poole doesn't have the moves, ball handling ability, or instincts to sniff Harden.

Poole has good speed and quickness, but he needs the ball handling skills and court awareness to take full advantage of it.

Anyone saying Jordan Poole needs ball handling skills understands very very little about basketball. His handle is elite.

jjrpilot · 10-10-2022, 09:25 AM

Invest in Jordan Poole

88horsepower · 10-10-2022, 09:40 AM

Throughout the years I've said that if Draymond played for any team, I'd despise him. Now I'm feeling that way regardless of the fact that he plays for my favorite team. I can't defend his nonsense and hitting Poole is the last straw for me. I hope Draymond is gone if I had to choose between him and Poole.

mcgee2134 · 10-10-2022, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ragingbull

I watched Steve Kerr addressing the incident, and I feel that he is not so happy with DG. As far as I know, DG is stepping back from the Warriors and Kerr said that the decision is mutual. As important as DG is for the Warriors, Kerr is showing that no one is indispensable.

DG can walk away, and the Warriors will have to move on.

He won't walk away. He'll just be away from the team a little while. No suspension and probably won't miss any games. He always gets away with #@#@#@#@.

HeyRelaxGuy · 10-10-2022, 11:01 AM

Well, if Draymond leaves, then defensively they will not be the same again. We all know that this guy is nuts and having a person like that guarding the basket for your team is a great thing.

Right now Poole is providing Warriors that depth, but as the Warriors core start to age, he is eventually going to step into that circle. If the Warriors care about their future, then they have to care about Poole.

In conclusion, both of these guys are equally as important to the organization and both need to stay in order for the success to continue.

sportzluvr1 · 10-10-2022, 11:10 AM

Poole-Moody-Baldwin-Kuminga-Wiseman

Warriors young core is very impressive.

Not sure who they could replace Draymond with though.

duwal · 10-10-2022, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

Not sure who they could replace Draymond with though.

as others have said you really just can't, one of the top defensive players in the league who also is the best on the team at running the offense. If Draymond is gone Warriors will be dropped down in the standings unless Wiseman can all of a sudden be Mutombo-like. The Warriors were a mess defensively without Draymond and with Curry struggling during some of that time the Warriors were just 19-17 in games Draymond was out

mfw13 · 10-10-2022, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

his handle is legitimately the best part of his game. It's elite and how he creates shots so well. He's also a super gifted passer and playmaker.

His main and only substantial weakness is his defense.

His handle gets a little out of control sometimes, causing him to lose the ball.

It's very good, but there's still some room for improvement.

mfw13 · 10-10-2022, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by duwal

as others have said you really just can't, one of the top defensive players in the league who also is the best on the team at running the offense.

As I noted upthread, the Warriors were 16-10 without Green last year when Curry & Klay both played. He is NOT indispensable.

And he's not the best on the team at running the offense, Curry is. Draymond forces way too many bad passes.

HO SO FAT · 10-10-2022, 03:58 PM

For the value of the player, I say Poole stayed and Green is gone because you can't pay Mr Triple Single for what he is asking. Too many technical fouls and shenanigans for a long-term contract unless they have a clause that say if you get X number of technical fouls and ejections from the season, you are terminated from your contract.

The person to really go is the GM for downplaying the incident. No disciplinary actions will hurt the organization and the Warrior brand.

The truth now stands out why KD left the Warriors for the Nets when you can win championships with the Splash Bros but have to be a teammate of Draymond too.

sportzluvr1 · 10-10-2022, 04:21 PM

Draymond and Kuminga for Pascal Siakam? Raps pay him the money he wants. Warriors trot out a seemingly unbeatable Curry-Klay-Wiggins-Siakam-Looney.

Shred it.

asujbl · 10-10-2022, 04:25 PM

No one wants Green and his contract. He’s far more valuable to GS than anyone else

At least no one wants him for any legit assets

They both stay

sportzluvr1 · 10-10-2022, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

No one wants Green and his contract. He’s far more valuable to GS than anyone else

At least no one wants him for any legit assets

They both stay

That's the easiest, least fun scenario.

I want wild ass trades.

asujbl · 10-10-2022, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

That's the easiest, least fun scenario.

I want wild ass trades.

Oh absolutely

But who really wants to give Green $25M if he doesn’t have Steph and Klay?

Seems like a Knicks move

fabiani12333 · 10-10-2022, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

Anyone saying Jordan Poole needs ball handling skills understands very very little about basketball. His handle is elite.

He shows flashes, which is what a highlight reel shows. He doesn't have the ball handling consistency or arsenal of moves to be a top threat like Harden or Kylie.

fabiani12333 · 10-10-2022, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

His handle gets a little out of control sometimes, causing him to lose the ball.

It's very good, but there's still some room for improvement.

He's been overconfident -- thinks he can take on the world. It's just chaotic.

I saw highlights of his preseason game last night against the Lakers -- a lot of pick-n-roll and pick-n-pop.

drobfan8 · 10-10-2022, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Yet.

Note that Draymond didn't start to become the player he is today until his 3rd season, by which point he was 24 years old.

Kuminga and Moody are both 20-year-olds starting their second season....Wiseman is 21.

All three are likely to show significant improvement this season.

Draymond was always the quality defender though that could create mismatches. That's more about how good he is with the game inside the game. Not sure you can learn that so easily. I really doubt Kuminga and Moody are it.

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

He definitely showed last year he's not washed at all. Would've been run away DPOY if not for missing games with injury. Just a constant theme (not you) people think Draymond doesn't really make a difference, he's hugely valuable.

He misses way too many games and has way too many dud games. I'll stick to my take that he's a "tad" washed.

Put it this way, if he leaves Steph and co, he will not be a good player any more.

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Disagree....very few players have Poole's terrific first step and ability to blow by defenders. He needs to tighten up his handle, bump his 3-pt shooting up another couple of percentage points, and improve his defense, but right now he's basically a younger and rawer version of peak-level James Harden.

Oh dear.

You're never biased are you.

clocsta2323 · 10-10-2022, 11:43 PM

Draymond Green said he is a hall of famer. If there isn't an example of this dude's insanity ...

Even Chris Webber will object

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10-09-2022, 11:22 PM	#30
ragingbull Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Philippines Posts: 768	I watched Steve Kerr addressing the incident, and I feel that he is not so happy with DG. As far as I know, DG is stepping back from the Warriors and Kerr said that the decision is mutual. As important as DG is for the Warriors, Kerr is showing that no one is indispensable. DG can walk away, and the Warriors will have to move on. __________________ Main PC: TIM DUNCAN! Instagram: timduncan21_cardcollector Youtube: Revi Mayuyu’s Hobby Vlogs

10-10-2022, 09:25 AM	#34
jjrpilot Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: USA Posts: 2,325	Invest in Jordan Poole __________________ PC: Ichiro - Mahomes - Soto Last edited by jjrpilot; 10-10-2022 at 09:27 AM.

10-10-2022, 11:10 AM	#38
sportzluvr1 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: the blue waffle of the Great Midwest Posts: 7,794	Poole-Moody-Baldwin-Kuminga-Wiseman Warriors young core is very impressive. Not sure who they could replace Draymond with though. __________________ PSA 10 is a LIAR……(sometimes)

10-10-2022, 04:21 PM	#43
sportzluvr1 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: the blue waffle of the Great Midwest Posts: 7,794	Draymond and Kuminga for Pascal Siakam? Raps pay him the money he wants. Warriors trot out a seemingly unbeatable Curry-Klay-Wiggins-Siakam-Looney. Shred it. __________________ PSA 10 is a LIAR……(sometimes)

10-10-2022, 09:40 AM	#35
88horsepower Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Somewhere In Time Posts: 23,870	Throughout the years I've said that if Draymond played for any team, I'd despise him. Now I'm feeling that way regardless of the fact that he plays for my favorite team. I can't defend his nonsense and hitting Poole is the last straw for me. I hope Draymond is gone if I had to choose between him and Poole.

10-10-2022, 11:01 AM	#37
HeyRelaxGuy Member Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: Toronto Posts: 670	Well, if Draymond leaves, then defensively they will not be the same again. We all know that this guy is nuts and having a person like that guarding the basket for your team is a great thing. Right now Poole is providing Warriors that depth, but as the Warriors core start to age, he is eventually going to step into that circle. If the Warriors care about their future, then they have to care about Poole. In conclusion, both of these guys are equally as important to the organization and both need to stay in order for the success to continue.

10-10-2022, 03:58 PM	#42
HO SO FAT Member Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 5	For the value of the player, I say Poole stayed and Green is gone because you can't pay Mr Triple Single for what he is asking. Too many technical fouls and shenanigans for a long-term contract unless they have a clause that say if you get X number of technical fouls and ejections from the season, you are terminated from your contract. The person to really go is the GM for downplaying the incident. No disciplinary actions will hurt the organization and the Warrior brand. The truth now stands out why KD left the Warriors for the Nets when you can win championships with the Splash Bros but have to be a teammate of Draymond too.

10-10-2022, 04:25 PM	#44
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 64,123 ohiosundevils	No one wants Green and his contract. He’s far more valuable to GS than anyone else At least no one wants him for any legit assets They both stay __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

10-10-2022, 11:43 PM	#50
clocsta2323 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: D.C. Posts: 6,895	Draymond Green said he is a hall of famer. If there isn't an example of this dude's insanity ... Even Chris Webber will object