Issue with PSA - Page 12

Kobefan · 06-30-2022, 10:55 AM

Didn't someone here said that SGC has money back guarantee on their slabs as well? I can't seem to find any guarantee wordings on their site, can someone help? I'm looking at a card that is graded by SGC and I am a bit hesitant to buy it cause the card is highly counterfeited and I can't seem to find any money-backed guarantee clause from SGC.

jr24ai3 · 08-19-2022, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by natsturner

Why are they trying to grab more money at the end before they ship cards to you depending on what grade they give the card?

-Nat

I wonder if he has answered his own question.

AbraCalabro · 08-19-2022, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jr24ai3

I wonder if he has answered his own question.

Interesting that the PBM / burner account hasn't chastised you for bumping this yet.

Also to answer your question, he hasn't answered it, not likely he will. It's benefiting him now.

GOATcards · 08-19-2022, 01:27 PM

abra you be nice to nat now, his company has a money-back guarantee or some such, mastro-cut psa 8 wagner explanation forthcoming any time now?

nbahobbyaddict · 08-19-2022, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jr24ai3

I wonder if he has answered his own question.

He knew the answer when he asked the question. He just didn’t like the answer at the time.

If you don’t like the hostage/extortion upcharge, can you tell PSA to return your cards raw? In other words, what happens if you refuse to play their game? It can’t be legal for them to just keep your cards — or do you agree to this when submitting?

gameissued · 09-10-2022, 01:15 PM

Here's an idea:
If PSA has the confidence to up-charge you for a card, they should be willing buy it from you for your original declared value.

Example:
Let's say an economy level sub (max value $999) comes back a PSA 9 or 10. PSA then up-charges $50 to regular level (max value $1499) because market value is now over $999. They should be willing to put their money where their mouth is and offer to buy that card from you for $999. They should be able to easily list it and make themselves a decent profit, right!?

My own personal example would be a Spectra Jayson Tatum Jersey Auto RC /299. PSA 8 is approx $800 and a PSA 9 is approx $1200. I got up-charged $50 for a PSA 9. But in reality getting $1200 out of it takes time, effort, and after fees etc is pretty much $999 as I originally declared.

AbraCalabro · 09-10-2022, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gameissued

Here's an idea:
If PSA has the confidence to up-charge you for a card, they should be willing buy it from you for your original declared value.

Example:
Let's say an economy level sub (max value $999) comes back a PSA 9 or 10. PSA then up-charges $50 to regular level (max value $1499) because market value is now over $999. They should be willing to put their money where their mouth is and offer to buy that card from you for $999. They should be able to easily list it and make themselves a decent profit, right!?

My own personal example would be a Spectra Jayson Tatum Jersey Auto RC /299. PSA 8 is approx $800 and a PSA 9 is approx $1200. I got up-charged $50 for a PSA 9. But in reality getting $1200 out of it takes time, effort, and after fees etc is pretty much $999 as I originally declared.

They should, but they won't. They're content with ripping off their customers instead.

wood minis · 09-10-2022, 03:25 PM

Has anything changed regarding the up-charge OP is complaining about after his group bought PSA?

Blazed · 09-10-2022, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wood minis

Has anything changed regarding the up-charge OP is complaining about after his group bought PSA?

No, and it won't. When you're sitting in the drivers seat the view is a whole lot different than when you're grinding for your collection.

oldgoldy97 · 09-10-2022, 05:15 PM

He found out what a gold mine it was to hose people.

Lots of people on here figured that out over the past couple years.

imbluestreak23 · 09-10-2022, 05:35 PM

Enter Arena Club, Jeets will save the day so they say

wood minis · 09-10-2022, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Enter Arena Club, Jeets will save the day so they say

I like the part where they are willing to grade your card more accurately.

ljandkg · 09-10-2022, 06:27 PM

Honestly, there are so many card 'content creators' now. Why isn't someone asking the boss about this?
Correct me if I have this wrong, but you can now send a card to PSA in a certain value category, they can move it up and charge you more if they disagree, and then if you've chosen well and it grades well, they then check the graded value, and if THEY judge that the value has increased because it graded well, they charge you even more?

So basically they can 'upcharge' you twice.

Is no 'content creator' touching this?

It's pretty disturbing.

oldgoldy97 · 09-10-2022, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ljandkg

Honestly, there are so many card 'content creators' now. Why isn't someone asking the boss about this?
Correct me if I have this wrong, but you can now send a card to PSA in a certain value category, they can move it up and charge you more if they disagree, and then if you've chosen well and it grades well, they then check the graded value, and if THEY judge that the value has increased because it graded well, they charge you even more?

So basically they can 'upcharge' you twice.

Is no 'content creator' touching this?

It's pretty disturbing.

They all have a stake in graded cards.

Side note: I just saw your signature. Which dumbass said that about KG?

ljandkg · 09-10-2022, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

They all have a stake in graded cards.

Side note: I just saw your signature. Which dumbass said that about KG?

It's like buying a lottery ticket, getting lucky, then being upcharged cos you won.

And I have no idea - no one worth remembering!

Blazed · 09-10-2022, 07:05 PM

It may have been answered, but is PSA upcharging people whose cards were stuck in a backlog based on current values 2 years later? Or are they letting values pass through without upcharging based on before the shut down?

nbahobbyaddict · 09-11-2022, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed

It may have been answered, but is PSA upcharging people whose cards were stuck in a backlog based on current values 2 years later? Or are they letting values pass through without upcharging based on before the shut down?

that is a really good question. Hadn’t thought about that.

auburn35 · 11-07-2022, 10:08 AM

If anyone is curious, Nat does reference this thread (PSA upcharge) in his recent interview on the Sports Card Nation podcast.

Decent overall interview and topics (New PSA case coming soon, AI grading, Fanatics,...) but if you wanted to skip to the upcharge discussion, that starts at 25:40.
https://www.sportscardnationpodcast....collectorspsa/

As most expected, his opinion has changed since joining PSA (other side). Insurance, grade guarantee, additional handling, longer to grade....among the reasons provided.

JeremyNick · 11-07-2022, 11:26 AM

This thread needs to get stickies so people at least know the caliber of person that is running the show at PSA.

Zedlaw · 11-07-2022, 12:17 PM

So someone changes their mind about a process after gathering more relevant data, not sure any of this proves one's caliber of personhood. I lean more that his former opinion was reactionary than his later opinion is conspiratory. But this whole issue feels like a big nothing to me, and I'm neutral about Nat and somewhat negative about grading.

AbraCalabro · 11-07-2022, 12:23 PM

Public relations fluff job. Just in time?

Remains to be seen.

PSA up charge is still a scam though, always has been.

oldgoldy97 · 11-07-2022, 12:34 PM

Did they upcharge the MJ on accident or did some money need cleaning?

nbahobbyaddict · 11-07-2022, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zedlaw

So someone changes their mind about a process after gathering more relevant data

Translation:
So someone changes their mind about a process after it becomes financially favorable to him.

blackbears86 · 11-07-2022, 07:09 PM

Nat: please explain the MJ Luminous grade. Love the 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DanTheCardMan · 11-08-2022, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by auburn35

If anyone is curious, Nat does reference this thread (PSA upcharge) in his recent interview on the Sports Card Nation podcast.

Decent overall interview and topics (New PSA case coming soon, AI grading, Fanatics,...) but if you wanted to skip to the upcharge discussion, that starts at 25:40.
https://www.sportscardnationpodcast....collectorspsa/

As most expected, his opinion has changed since joining PSA (other side). Insurance, grade guarantee, additional handling, longer to grade....among the reasons provided.

The insurance element is the only piece that makes sense imo. PSA really need to just factor that into their standard pricing. Charge everyone a little more. They won't though as they are making far too much revenue off of it.

09-10-2022, 03:25 PM	#283
wood minis Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Northeastern USA Posts: 4,091	Has anything changed regarding the up-charge OP is complaining about after his group bought PSA? __________________ Allen & Ginter wood mini collector

09-10-2022, 05:35 PM	#286
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,530 shortslabs	Enter Arena Club, Jeets will save the day so they say __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

09-10-2022, 06:27 PM	#288
ljandkg Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,428	Honestly, there are so many card 'content creators' now. Why isn't someone asking the boss about this? Correct me if I have this wrong, but you can now send a card to PSA in a certain value category, they can move it up and charge you more if they disagree, and then if you've chosen well and it grades well, they then check the graded value, and if THEY judge that the value has increased because it graded well, they charge you even more? So basically they can 'upcharge' you twice. Is no 'content creator' touching this? It's pretty disturbing. __________________ Garnett jersey #'d count - 424 https://www.flickr.com/photos/152215151@N02/albums/72157685722278255 'KG is a mercenary and Eric Williams was a better Celtic.' - someone on Blowout

11-07-2022, 10:08 AM	#293
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,274	If anyone is curious, Nat does reference this thread (PSA upcharge) in his recent interview on the Sports Card Nation podcast. Decent overall interview and topics (New PSA case coming soon, AI grading, Fanatics,...) but if you wanted to skip to the upcharge discussion, that starts at 25:40. https://www.sportscardnationpodcast....collectorspsa/ As most expected, his opinion has changed since joining PSA (other side). Insurance, grade guarantee, additional handling, longer to grade....among the reasons provided. __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

11-07-2022, 12:17 PM	#295
Zedlaw Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 1,378	So someone changes their mind about a process after gathering more relevant data, not sure any of this proves one's caliber of personhood. I lean more that his former opinion was reactionary than his later opinion is conspiratory. But this whole issue feels like a big nothing to me, and I'm neutral about Nat and somewhat negative about grading. Last edited by Zedlaw; 11-07-2022 at 12:20 PM.

06-30-2022, 10:55 AM	#276
Kobefan Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,118 kobefan321	Didn't someone here said that SGC has money back guarantee on their slabs as well? I can't seem to find any guarantee wordings on their site, can someone help? I'm looking at a card that is graded by SGC and I am a bit hesitant to buy it cause the card is highly counterfeited and I can't seem to find any money-backed guarantee clause from SGC.

08-19-2022, 01:27 PM	#279
GOATcards Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 6,492	abra you be nice to nat now, his company has a money-back guarantee or some such, mastro-cut psa 8 wagner explanation forthcoming any time now?

09-10-2022, 01:15 PM	#281
gameissued Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,468 gameissued	Here's an idea: If PSA has the confidence to up-charge you for a card, they should be willing buy it from you for your original declared value. Example: Let's say an economy level sub (max value $999) comes back a PSA 9 or 10. PSA then up-charges $50 to regular level (max value $1499) because market value is now over $999. They should be willing to put their money where their mouth is and offer to buy that card from you for $999. They should be able to easily list it and make themselves a decent profit, right!? My own personal example would be a Spectra Jayson Tatum Jersey Auto RC /299. PSA 8 is approx $800 and a PSA 9 is approx $1200. I got up-charged $50 for a PSA 9. But in reality getting $1200 out of it takes time, effort, and after fees etc is pretty much $999 as I originally declared.

09-10-2022, 05:15 PM	#285
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 49,171	He found out what a gold mine it was to hose people. Lots of people on here figured that out over the past couple years.

09-10-2022, 07:05 PM	#291
Blazed Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,975 Blazed Blazed	It may have been answered, but is PSA upcharging people whose cards were stuck in a backlog based on current values 2 years later? Or are they letting values pass through without upcharging based on before the shut down?

11-07-2022, 11:26 AM	#294
JeremyNick Banned Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 22,801	This thread needs to get stickies so people at least know the caliber of person that is running the show at PSA.

11-07-2022, 12:23 PM	#296
AbraCalabro Temporarily Suspended Join Date: May 2013 Location: Believe in Saint Abra. Posts: 10,748	Public relations fluff job. Just in time? Remains to be seen. PSA up charge is still a scam though, always has been. __________________ -FREE TRISTAN- LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - A master class in corruption. NEVER FORGET: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255123

11-07-2022, 12:34 PM	#297
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 49,171	Did they upcharge the MJ on accident or did some money need cleaning?

11-07-2022, 07:09 PM	#299
blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,029 blackbears86	Nat: please explain the MJ Luminous grade. Love the 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!