Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

He’s still in reach of a .300/30/100 season, which makes it kinda humorous that this is being viewed as a disappointing season. (It’ll take quite a hot streak to get the average up there, but it’s possible.)


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"Only" 30 HRs seems like a disappointment compared to last year, but what is going on with HRs in general this season? They are way down on a per game basis (1.07, the lowest since 2015) and we might seriously only have 1 person hit 40+. That's nuts.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

He’s still in reach of a .300/30/100 season, which makes it kinda humorous that this is being viewed as a disappointing season. (It’ll take quite a hot streak to get the average up there, but it’s possible.)

Lol. Why is it viewed as disappointment? Because you and everyone else in here thought he was a shoe-in for .300, 40+ HRs, MVP contention, RBI leader, etc etc. You're still pushing .300(he has no chance) and were pushing .900 OPS(lol) as recently as a couple weeks ago.

And people were paying MVP-contention prices from last season up through the All-Star break. Every single person would've told you at the beginning of the season that his cards would tank if he finished the season at .300/30/100

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

He’s still in reach of a .300/30/100 season, which makes it kinda humorous that this is being viewed as a disappointing season. (It’ll take quite a hot streak to get the average up there, but it’s possible.)


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I’ll take that every year. Love it. Go Vladdy.




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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

I’ll take that every year. Love it. Go Vladdy.




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Right? Especially as a “down” year by a 23-year-old.


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[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Lol. Why is it viewed as disappointment? Because you and everyone else in here thought he was a shoe-in for .300, 40+ HRs, MVP contention, RBI leader, etc etc. You're still pushing .300(he has no chance) and were pushing .900 OPS(lol) as recently as a couple weeks ago.

And people were paying MVP-contention prices from last season up through the All-Star break. Every single person would've told you at the beginning of the season that his cards would tank if he finished the season at .300/30/100

Why can’t you just let people collect who they want to collect and cheer for who they want to cheer for without having to constantly tell people how dumb they are for spending their money on Vlad?

He didn’t even say he views this season has a disappointment. In fact, he said the opposite.

No one who posts in this thread is trying to pump or invest Vlad, people just want to collect. If people want to root for a .300 season why can’t you let them root for a .300 season? You made your point very clear, nobody needs the constant “I told you so”

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

"Only" 30 HRs seems like a disappointment compared to last year, but what is going on with HRs in general this season? They are way down on a per game basis (1.07, the lowest since 2015) and we might seriously only have 1 person hit 40+. That's nuts.

Well, Schwarber will probably also get to 40, but your point is well taken.

Five guys hit at least 42 HR last year, and 12 hit at least 38. Goldschmidt might be the third and final player to hit so many as 38 this year.


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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

Why can’t you just let people collect who they want to collect and cheer for who they want to cheer for without having to constantly tell people how dumb they are for spending their money on Vlad?

I've never said that. I've said if you are buying him for an "investment", you should wait because his prices will go down over the course of the season. I've never once said not to collect the guy because you like him or do this for fun.

He didn’t even say he views this season has a disappointment. In fact, he said the opposite.

Right, he was saying he doesn't understand why people would view it as a disappointment. was explaining the why of which he didn't understand. Personally, I don't think this season was a disappointment at all. Great season for a 23 year old.

No one who posts in this thread is trying to pump or invest Vlad, people just want to collect. If people want to root for a .300 season why can’t you let them root for a .300 season? You made your point very clear, nobody needs the constant “I told you so”

How am I stopping anyone from rooting for a .300 season? Because I think it won't happen? No contrary opinions allowed? Only fluff and pump and pie in the sky projections allowed here? Come on. I've been dead right on everything I've said in this thread for the last year. I can't imagine a more valuable contribution

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by BBases31

I've never said that. I've said if you are buying him for an "investment", you should wait because his prices will go down over the course of the season. I've never once said not to collect the guy because you like him or do this for fun.



Right, he was saying he doesn't understand why people would view it as a disappointment. I was explaining the why of which he didn't understand. Personally, I don't think this season was a disappointment at all. Great season for a 23 year old.



Why am I stopping anyone from rooting for a .300 season? Because I think it won't happen? No contrary opinions allowed? Only fluff and pump and pie in the sky projections allowed here? Come on.

I know a lot of people on this forum have you blocked but I don’t because I actually agree with many of your takes and do welcome contrary opinions. You seem like a smart guy and I think that overall we're actually on the same page about him as a hitter.

But there’s a difference between contrary opinions and bashing people over the head with the same takes. It just comes off as condescending

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by BBases31

I've never said that. I've said if you are buying him for an "investment", you should wait because his prices will go down over the course of the season. I've never once said not to collect the guy because you like him or do this for fun.



Right, he was saying he doesn't understand why people would view it as a disappointment. I was explaining to him why people did so. Personally, I don't think this season was a disappointment at all. Great season for a 23 year old.



How am I stopping anyone from rooting for a .300 season? Because I think it won't happen? No contrary opinions allowed? Only fluff and pump and pie in the sky projections allowed here? Come on. I've been dead right on everything I've said in this thread for the last year. I can't imagine a more valuable contribution

Maybe if you weren't so obnoxious about it..people wouldn't mind your opinions. It's how you come across that rubs people the wrong way.

[RAV2773]

I like his trajectory so far as a 23 yr. old. No matter what anybody says. Just got this back from PSA.

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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

But there’s a difference between contrary opinions and bashing people over the head with the same takes.

I think if you went back over the last couple months and actually counted, you'd be surprised how few times I actually post my "takes" of overpriced or that he's not as good as last year. And when the same people keep coming back over and over with pie in the sky projections, I'll comment. Not for argument's sake but at least so people reading this who might otherwise be duped into "investing" based on what they read here. If they want to anyway, awesome, but at least they get to see at least one single objective view of the situation.

Originally Posted by Chris P

Maybe if you weren't so obnoxious about it..people wouldn't mind your opinions. It's how you come across that rubs people the wrong way.

It just comes off as condescending

I'm well aware how many people may take it. I also don't care because I think it's ridiculous for that to be the reaction, even if alot of people on here react that way. Can't say I care to waste any of my time worrying about what anyone thinks if their reactions come from a place of insecurity, pettiness, social awkwardness, or just plain ignorance. I'm also well aware how that sentence is going to come off to those same people.

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by BBases31

I think if you went back over the last couple months and actually counted, you'd see how little I actually post my "takes" of overpriced or that he's not as good as last year. Selective memory is strong. And when the same people keep coming back over and over with pie in the sky projections, I'll comment. Not for argument's sake but at least so people reading this who might otherwise be duped into "investing" based on what they read here. If they want to anyway, awesome, but at least they get to see at least one single objective view of the situation.

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But I wouldn’t consider hitting .300 a pie in the sky projection.

He’s hitting .283 right now. At the end of May he was hitting .249, then was hitting .262 by the end of June, then hitting .283 at the end of July. So he’s already shown the ability to raise his avg ~20 points over a one month span

Who’s to say that can’t happen again in September? That seems like a logical thing to root for, not a pie in the sky projection

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

But I wouldn’t consider hitting .300 a pie in the sky projection.

He’s hitting .283 right now. At the end of May he was hitting .249, then was hitting .262 by the end of June, then hitting .283 at the end of July. So he’s already shown the ability to raise his avg ~20 points over a one month span

Hitting .315 over 2 months(to go from .249 to .283 when he was 2 months in at .249) is alot easier than hitting something like .385 for one month, which is what he has to do in September to get to .300 off a .283 average.

At the end May, he only has a 2 month sample, so the next month would be 33% of the ABs. At end of June, 3 months sample, so July will be 25% of the ABs. When you get to the end of August, the month of September will represent only 16.5% of the ABs. That's why it's so much harder to raise the average as it gets deeper in the season. Raising it in June is alot easier than raising in September.

Who’s to say that can’t happen again in September? That seems like a logical thing to root for, not a pie in the sky projection

Anything can happen. Nothing wrong with rooting for it. Also nothing wrong with pointing out that the chance is close to zero at this point. He's only had one month this season with an average above .290 and that single month was .340. That was also in July when it's hottest and the ball carries further so hits are easier. He needs about .385 in September to get there. Very, very long odds.

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Hitting .315 over 2 months(to go from .249 to .283 when he was 2 months in at .249) is alot easier than hitting something like .385 for one month, which is what he has to do in September to get to .300 off a .283 average.

At the end May, he only has a 2 month sample, so the next month would be 33% of the ABs. At end of June, 3 months sample, so July will be 25% of the ABs. When you get to the end of August, the month of September will represent only 16.5% of the ABs. That's why it's so much harder to raise the average as it gets deeper in the season. Raising it in June is alot easier than raising in September.



Anything can happen. Nothing wrong with rooting for it. Also nothing wrong with pointing out that the chance is close to zero at this point. He's only had one month this season with an average above .290 and that single month was .340. That was also in July when it's hottest and the ball carries further so hits are easier. He needs about .385 in September to get there. Very, very long odds.

It may be a long shot, but it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility. You’ll have to fact check this, but if my memory serves he hit something like .370 over the course of his hit streak from July-Aug.

Is that likely to happen again? Probably not, but I for one will be rooting for it

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

But I wouldn’t consider hitting .300 a pie in the sky projection.

He’s hitting .283 right now. At the end of May he was hitting .249, then was hitting .262 by the end of June, then hitting .283 at the end of July. So he’s already shown the ability to raise his avg ~20 points over a one month span

Who’s to say that can’t happen again in September? That seems like a logical thing to root for, not a pie in the sky projection

Because it is much easier to raise your batting average earlier in the season when there are fewer at-bats than later. The more at-bats you have the harder it is to raise your average.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Because it is much easier to raise your batting average earlier in the season when there are fewer at-bats than later. The more at-bats you have the harder it is to raise your average.

Exactly. He’d need to bat around .360-.365 the rest of the way to get to .300. It would take some hot hitting over a month-plus, though it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility.


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[Triple B]

Anyone with minimal intelligence would take hot hitting at the end of the season over the beginning. An entire season would be ideal, but also unrealistic.

This IC’a take is all about investment and value. ANYONE collecting cards has seen price drops, including his alleged own “investment” of Ohtani. Ohtani’s PSA 10 Topps Chrome Refractor RC was selling for $500+ in January and the last one sold for $400.

Get over it. Vladdy isn’t winning MVP this year, we get that. He struggled this year compared to last year, we get that. His cards aren’t selling for what they were in January…who’s is? Not even the legendary Shohei Ohtani’s cards are what they were and he’s going to win another MVP. No one is nearly as impressed with his posts and takes as he is. I’d imagine that to be the case in real life, also.

Our favourite IC sounds hyper focused on two points to bash Guerrero and really should get something diagnosed. It may help out the rest of his silly existence.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by BBases31

I think if you went back over the last couple months and actually counted, you'd be surprised how few times I actually post my "takes" of overpriced or that he's not as good as last year. And when the same people keep coming back over and over with pie in the sky projections, I'll comment. Not for argument's sake but at least so people reading this who might otherwise be duped into "investing" based on what they read here. If they want to anyway, awesome, but at least they get to see at least one single objective view of the situation.





I'm well aware how many people may take it. I also don't care because I think it's ridiculous for that to be the reaction, even if alot of people on here react that way. Can't say I care to waste any of my time worrying about what anyone thinks if their reactions come from a place of insecurity, pettiness, social awkwardness, or just plain ignorance. I'm also well aware how that sentence is going to come off to those same people.

Awesome and you continue to insult those because of how YOU come across. Maybe it's not an US problem. I'm not coming from social awkwardmeas ignorance or pettiness..what a load of crap. I read your posts and they come across smug, descending and talking down on people. It's as simple as that. You don't have to care about how you come across but when you make comments like you think adults who collect non sports cards are weird..how are people supposed to take that? Also it's hypocritical to say you don't care what people say..obviously you do to an extent or you wouldn't have gone to the mods when Triple B insulted you

[NYRE2PECT]

I try to give folks the benefit of the doubt...I have very few people blocked, but I have BB blocked. If you think you had any credibility here, you lost it all when you wrote this:

How am I stopping anyone from rooting for a .300 season? Because I think it won't happen? No contrary opinions allowed? Only fluff and pump and pie in the sky projections allowed here? Come on. I've been dead right on everything I've said in this thread for the last year. I can't imagine a more valuable contribution

How self-aggrandizing/egotistical/narcissistic must one be to actually type that out, and then actually hit submit? Barf.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

I try to give folks the benefit of the doubt...I have very few people blocked, but I have BB blocked. If you think you had any credibility here, you lost it all when you wrote this:

How am I stopping anyone from rooting for a .300 season? Because I think it won't happen? No contrary opinions allowed? Only fluff and pump and pie in the sky projections allowed here? Come on. I've been dead right on everything I've said in this thread for the last year. I can't imagine a more valuable contribution

How self-aggrandizing/egotistical/narcissistic must one be to actually type that out, and then actually hit submit? Barf.

No no..it's a YOU problem..you're insecure/petty/jealous even though multiple members across the board have the same exact opinion of his posts. The lack if self awareness is amazing

[Triple B]

These last few posts is the IC's aim. Get people to talk about him on threads. He's cancerous in them all. If y'all just put him on ignore and let him yell at clouds, he'd be a little line stating that he commented and you have him blocked.

This attention folks give him is his replacement for a woman's touch that he can't get. Plain and simple.

[NYBBFAN]

Anyway, back to cards.

[WalterAZ31]

BBases. Still the same tiring loser

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

Anyway, back to cards.

Love these. Such a great set.

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

Anyway, back to cards.

Great card! Transcendent is a really cool set. I have my eye on a 2019 Transcendent auto now