Is Dan Marino overrated?

[pskell02]

IMO Marino was the best QB to lace them up. Put him on a better team and he'd have half a dozen SB rings.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by jplarson

I'm old....
Easily top 5 of the 1980s

I second that emotion.

[Rotherwood]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I second that emotion.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Rotherwood

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by pskell02

IMO Marino was the best QB to lace them up. Put him on a better team and he'd have half a dozen SB rings.

That’s the homer in you though

[dolphinsdude]

Overrated? No way. In his playing days 1983-1995, the top 2 Qbs were Montana/Marino. Honorable mention to Elway/Moon. 1996-99 doesn't count, Jimmy handcuffed him and got rid of everyone except McDuffie.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I'm old. Would not rate him top 5.



he threw for a ton of yards. completion percentage was lower than some of the elite QBs of the time, interception rate was higher. Through the 80s there's an alarming amount of 20 interception seasons.



Then came inconsistency and injuries.



He threw it. A lot. but that's only a small part of the story. I like efficiency, I like less turnovers. Yards are cool, but yards don't = wins.



I don't think it's necessarily his fault - his defenses weren't great, often, and he never had an amazing running back. but his body of work has ups and downs.



If you told me tomorrow I could have prime Marino as my franchise QB, I'd take him, but top 5 is for the very, very elite.

Their teams were pretty much terrible . Never had a good RB to ease the load. Had to throw a billion times. Yes, top 5 for me.

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[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Their teams were pretty much terrible . Never had a good RB to ease the load. Had to throw a billion times. Yes, top 5 for me.

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I don't know - there were years where the team was Ok and they just underachieved.

Plus, like I said Marino in the 80s had an alarming amount of 20 interception seasons. You can't give the ball away that much and win consistently.

But listen, I'm not going to die on this hill... Marino had a hell of an arm. Best of the 80s.

[Siberian13]

At least Marino went out on top in his last game against the Jaguars. 62-7 I think was the final score.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

At least Marino went out on top in his last game against the Jaguars. 62-7 I think was the final score.

Brutal.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

At least Marino went out on top in his last game against the Jaguars. 62-7 I think was the final score.

At least he was in the hole the entire game and never had hope

[Stifle]

A great quarterback but what are quarterbacks critiqued on ?

Top 5, easily was the top quarterback for hands by wearing Isotoner gloves.

[discodanman45]

He was in two of the best movies ever made. Ace Ventura: Pet Detective and Little Nicky. The true GOAT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ZHq8xYKI8

[mc1]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I don't know - there were years where the team was Ok and they just underachieved.

Plus, like I said Marino in the 80s had an alarming amount of 20 interception seasons. You can't give the ball away that much and win consistently.

But listen, I'm not going to die on this hill... Marino had a hell of an arm. Best of the 80s.

He threw the ball a lot!
In the mid-80s when he was younger it seemed that interceptions were more common. Look at the 1985 Passing Yards leaders. 7 of 10 QBs had 20 or more INTs. Your QB of course didnt. Marinos INT % was 10th best in the league that year. 20 QBs were actually worse! The next year 5 of the Top 10 also had 20+ INT.

By the late 80s the INTs were still there for Marino but the rest of the passing leaders werent throwing as many picks. He was 2nd in 88 behind Vinny and tied with him in 89 for most INTs. Not good company.

[PrimeTimeScott]

Originally Posted by nabzy28

I'm not even sure where people 'rate' him. I always saw him as very good. A lot of these current QB's are going to be the 'Marino's' of their generation. Stats for days, but only a few will get the distinction of holding that Lombardi. With one-and-done playoffs, you need luck just as much as talent to make it that far, let alone win it all. It was a far different game back then, too.

I think a bunch of QBs in the league now will get one ring each and no one will differentiate themselves as being much better. There were a few great QBs when Marino played and the playoff run really shows just how hard it is to win it all. It really is a team sport, and I always think that the team that stays the healthiest is usually the team that wins it all.

[49ersSF]

Marino is actually overrated.

His first 5 years in the league he was exceptional and worthy of the praise but after 1987 he is just an average NFL QB. On top of that, he helped sink the Dolphins for years by refusing to allow coaches to balance the offense more which in turn made the offense one-dimensional.

1983-1987

48-21 597 attempts(per 17 games) 60.6 comp% 94.1 QBR 168 tds 80 int

1988-1999

99-71 583 attempts(per 17 games) 58.9 comp% 83.1 QBR 252 tds 172 int

Don't get me wrong. He is still a Hall of Fame QB and a key part in the NFL's change to a passing offense but he won no rings simply because he lacked the ability to be innovative within his own offense.

[BGT Masters]

If someone has him top 5 I'm not going to argue it. At this moment in time I find him to be a bit underrated. Possibly the quickest release ever. Never seemed to play with a complete team and stuck playing Buffalo.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

Marino is actually overrated.

His first 5 years in the league he was exceptional and worthy of the praise but after 1987 he is just an average NFL QB. On top of that, he helped sink the Dolphins for years by refusing to allow coaches to balance the offense more which in turn made the offense one-dimensional.

1983-1987

48-21 597 attempts(per 17 games) 60.6 comp% 94.1 QBR 168 tds 80 int

1988-1999

99-71 583 attempts(per 17 games) 58.9 comp% 83.1 QBR 252 tds 172 int

Don't get me wrong. He is still a Hall of Fame QB and a key part in the NFL's change to a passing offense but he won no rings simply because he lacked the ability to be innovative within his own offense.

Per 17 games? JFC.
Also, the majority of the issue was Don Shula on his victory tour and nepetism in the coaching staff. Also, Marino went to a strong team when he was drafted. The window for that team closed. Marinos prime was wasted on a team in the middle
Of rebuilding.
Innovative in his own offense? No. He willed bad teams into the playoffs, and rarely had a defense built to help him. They’d often lose in the playoffs to the team who would rep the AFC in the super bowl.

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[Donkaylove]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

I'm old. Would not rate him top 5.

he threw for a ton of yards. completion percentage was lower than some of the elite QBs of the time, interception rate was higher. Through the 80s there's an alarming amount of 20 interception seasons.

Then came inconsistency and injuries.

He threw it. A lot. but that's only a small part of the story. I like efficiency, I like less turnovers. Yards are cool, but yards don't = wins.

I don't think it's necessarily his fault - his defenses weren't great, often, and he never had an amazing running back. but his body of work has ups and downs.

If you told me tomorrow I could have prime Marino as my franchise QB, I'd take him, but top 5 is for the very, very elite.

great summary here.

[MFaulkCollector]

Some of the answers here are embarrassing.... Dan Marino is rated as a great QB....... that take is correct. He's a top 6-10 QB of all time depending on your preferences.

Completion percentage? Interceptions?...... as the be all end all in the 80's? .... yawn. Yes, they matter..... but also... they must be taken into context. West coast style QB's are obviously going to have better completion percentages and efficiency stats; it's stylistically what the offense does. Vertical passing styles will create lower completion percentages and a higher volume of interceptions. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like it's a whole lot easier to play QB in a west coast style offense with multiple HOF's on that side of the ball; while also knowing you have potentially the best defensive player ever in Ronnie Lott on the other side..............rather than playing in a vertical passing game without top level talent and lacking a defense that allows you to play conservatively.

John Elway was considered a choke artist until he was gifted a league MVP at RB who also was a SB MVP and HOFer........... Marino was never gifted a super elite run game.

Steve Young ran an super efficient offense and statistically he was phenomenal....... it was tailor made to be that way. The talent on that side of the ball was great and the defense was very good..... and then was gifted Deion Sanders; pretty funny how that allows you to win a super bowl... and it was probably easier to beat the Chargers team that Young faced than the 14-2 juggernaut that steamrolled the dolphins

Sure... Marino's career was up and down, he was injured some and his statistical lines dropped off a good bit after lighting the league on fire.......... But his influence on the vertical passing game and accolades compared to his contemporaries cannot be overlooked. He won 2 league MVP awards and threw 48 td passes in a season in the mid 80's..... when Mahomes did this a few years ago people were in pure awe and shock. Marino did this 35 years prior to Mahomes; let that sink in. Anyone who watched Marino knows he talent cannot be questioned.

Is he on the shelf of Brady, Montana? No
Is he on the shelf of Manning, Rodgers? For me personally, No
Is he on the shelf of Favre, Elway, Unitas, Young, Brees, Staubach, Roethlisberger, etc.......... absolutely he is; and I think he's better than half of that list.

Winning is situational and the style of play matters. Individual greatness is much less situational and it's pretty clear what greatness looks like. Marino was great, end of story

[matt roberson]

Hard to say since it seems based on this thread he is rated very differently by everybody.

I don't think he was over rated but then I don't hold him in high regard, probably top ten QB all time but if I made my list and he landed in the 10-15 range I wouldnt be shocked.

[oldgoldy97]

Brady
Manning
Marino
Favre
Brees
Rodgers
Montana

[TheFrenzy]

Dan Marino’s best movie: Ace Ventura: Pet Detective

Tom Brady’s best movie: Ted 2

[cking]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Brady
Manning
Marino
Leaf
Favre
Brees
Rodgers
Kitna
Montana

Fixed it for you