First Buzz: 2021 Panini Select football cards

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by phil

1 box on ebay

It's conceivable that not a single regular buyer bought a box of Select FOTL during the auction. It's going to be tough for Fanatics to have a worse system than we have with distributors bs and FOTL manipulation from Panini now.

[beavers]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

It's conceivable that not a single regular buyer bought a box of Select FOTL during the auction. It's going to be tough for Fanatics to have a worse system than we have with distributors bs and FOTL manipulation from Panini now.

My question is what actually happens to the FOTL boxes if they aren’t being purchased? Distributors aren’t buying items they can’t resell. Panini would be fools sitting on tons of held back inventory of every release. Everything is motivated by profits, so if no profits are to be had, then where does the product go? Panini can only force so many non-profitable items to distributors, whose margins are already disappearing.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by beavers

My question is what actually happens to the FOTL boxes if they aren’t being purchased? Distributors aren’t buying items they can’t resell. Panini would be fools sitting on tons of held back inventory of every release. Everything is motivated by profits, so if no profits are to be had, then where does the product go? Panini can only force so many non-profitable items to distributors, whose margins are already disappearing.

They are being sold just not during the auction. Distributors can resell/break them because they are buying at a lower price than the sell out. Breakers can break them because of up charging. Whether its a breaker getting good friend price or not. The only people buying most of these during the actual auction now are breakers. But even so breakers don't want to take a risk. Can't imagine most breakers are buying product where some of this is selling out now.

The exact reason they are doing all this is profit. Hobby prices are kept higher by artificially manipulating FOTL. Look back to when this started. Last year Select Basketball FOTL sold out at $750. NT Basketball FOTL sold out at $3800. The market is clearly weaker now. Yet most FOTL sell out prices, with worse classes, are sky high. Look at where most basketball and football pro uniform FOTL releases "sell out" at. Panini and their good friends don't want the true auctions running their course because it will drive down prices of everything across the board. They make less profit. Even when FOTL was fair it was still artificially manipulated by bs distributor presale hobby prices that inflated FOTL sell out prices.

The only long term hope is that Fanatics goes with a fair auction system. Either basically the exact system Panini uses and have all the boxes available during the listing or the blind auction system. Either way Fanatics makes the most they can on a product without trying to screw everyone over. Buyers that want the product can get as much as they want at the actual value the market decides. Unfortunately, it is more likely Fanatics goes a different version of the Panini route. Panini wants to give most profit to their good friends. Fanatics will probably try to manipulate/cheat the system and keep every last cent of profit for themselves.

[Peachcardsatl]

These are most likely being bought in bulk with the whatnot breakers. We have a breaking account but I’m not paying these prices and would feel disgusted charging a 100% markup like some of the breakers actively do. As an example, I saw someone selling 2021 flawless personal breaks the other day for $13k and people were buying them up and of course these people were saying how they got a steal..

[mccoolio]

Originally Posted by Peachcardsatl

These are most likely being bought in bulk with the whatnot breakers. We have a breaking account but I’m not paying these prices and would feel disgusted charging a 100% markup like some of the breakers actively do. As an example, I saw someone selling 2021 flawless personal breaks the other day for $13k and people were buying them up and of course these people were saying how they got a steal..

Yeah, online breakers are a major problem as most are already aware. NBA FOTL Obsidian sold out at like $360 this week at 12 boxes per case...I saw breakers selling INDIVIDUAL TEAMS in a case break of 12 boxes for $299 a pop*30 teams...You can do the math, but right around 100% profit. It's sickening. And that price was cleared easily in 3 cases. It's a true shame.

[Zauron]

It's laughable how much this is costing for hobby and FOTL.

2021 product selling at or near 2020 is downright laughable.

[weeds73]

Does anybody know whether there will be a retail version of select this year?


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[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Does anybody know whether there will be a retail version of select this year?


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Didn’t they make a ton of retails last year? I’m sure they will again. Easy money

[Rotherwood]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Does anybody know whether there will be a retail version of select this year?


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I hope not, but undoubtedly Pan. will print a motherload of Retail

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Zauron

It's laughable how much this is costing for hobby and FOTL.

2021 product selling at or near 2020 is downright laughable.

If you think that's bad look at 2022 football presales! Most are 80-100% of what 2021 version is selling at. Unless the MSRP would be higher every single 2022 football product should be at most half of 2021. Pretty much every collegiate product should be MSRP.

[weeds73]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Didn’t they make a ton of retails last year? I’m sure they will again. Easy money

I assumed that would be the case, but I’ve been hearing conflicting reports from my local hobby shops. I hope they don’t, but am sure that greed will prevail


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[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by weeds73

I assumed that would be the case, but I’ve been hearing conflicting reports from my local hobby shops. I hope they don’t, but am sure that greed will prevail


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They should print the lights out of everything until their license is up. Make that money

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

They should print the lights out of everything until their license is up. Make that money

Printing money baby!

[Hail2TheVictors]

Don't overthink this, folks. Yes, they will absolutely print retail Select. Thats a ton of money for Panini, no chance they eliminate retail after introducing it last year.

[nfcsaints]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

They should print the lights out of everything until their license is up. Make that money

See the Chronicles release…..where every box had a TLaw and Mac auto…..all the breakers thinking they’d hit the motherload……can’t say I wasn’t a little happy to see the prices on those autos implode.

[anusinha]

confirmed from my distro that there is retail select this year

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by nfcsaints

See the Chronicles release…..where every box had a TLaw and Mac auto…..all the breakers thinking they’d hit the motherload……can’t say I wasn’t a little happy to see the prices on those autos implode.

Sounds like a fun break though. Be getting my normal undrafted rookie long snapper as my auto.

[forest]

So are the live 2022 XRCs be considered true RCs? Aren't they just short printed base cards now?

[brothertona]

Considering they are now 3 per case, I'd say short printed base cards.

[kingb22]

Originally Posted by mccoolio

Yeah, online breakers are a major problem as most are already aware. NBA FOTL Obsidian sold out at like $360 this week at 12 boxes per case...I saw breakers selling INDIVIDUAL TEAMS in a case break of 12 boxes for $299 a pop*30 teams...You can do the math, but right around 100% profit. It's sickening. And that price was cleared easily in 3 cases. It's a true shame.

I think on Obsidian specifically, the prices in breaks reflect the perception (reality too judging from watching breaks) that the product is pretty loaded even at a $550ish price (aka current market). Regular Obsidian seems to be < 50% on a rookie auto - FOTL you get 1 guaranteed and in probably 25% of the time a 2nd. Plus the FOTL base parallel, but the value is being driven in the autos.

To me the better question is how the breakers ended up with CASES of the FOTL stuff, and when they knew it would be "loaded". It would surprise me to find that there were advance whispers to the breakers to load up.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Don't overthink this, folks. Yes, they will absolutely print retail Select. Thats a ton of money for Panini, no chance they eliminate retail after introducing it last year.

Starting to see more people reference them not doing retail.

This would be a shock, and hopefully my above post is wrong lol. Just can’t believe panini may be listening to collectors (or is it something else?)

[COMCMax]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Starting to see more people reference them not doing retail.

This would be a shock, and hopefully my above post is wrong lol. Just can’t believe panini may be listening to collectors (or is it something else?)

[49erRCCollector]

I always loved Select, especially "in hand" - they are really nicely made, beautiful cards.

One odd checklist item - there's a 75 card insert set, #'d, that says Super Bowl Prizm Signatures. Is this just a massive dump of the popular, inter-brand series but with traditional #1-#75 insert numbering?

Seems like you could have spread this out a bit?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by forest

So are the live 2022 XRCs be considered true RCs? Aren't they just short printed base cards now?

XRCs are not true RCs.

If they are then the actual RCs in Select the following seasons aren’t true RCs.

[forest]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

XRCs are not true RCs.

If they are then the actual RCs in Select the following seasons aren’t true RCs.

Why are these even considered XRCs? They're live, pack pulled, and part of the base set. I think the argument could be made that these are their true RCs.