90s Insert Gang: You‘re Offered a 99 Star Rubies or 98 Red Crusade of Your Fav Player

[SoccerRCs]

I don’t know if this is true but it seems like Crusade has fallen off relative to Star Rubies and some other cards in the recent boom. Even though I don’t collect Griffey, I use him as something of a proxy for the high end 90s player. His Red Crusade basically goes for the same as Star Rubies. And on a % gain basis, it has gained way less from pre-boom prices than Star Rubies. That being said, I do think I prefer the Crusade card.

Another issue for me, as someone who collects multiple sports, is there is no 97 PMG or 98 Star Rubies. In other sports these were hands down the best looking cards, not to mention the first. Why they didn’t do these for baseball is beyond me. But whenever one of these cards comes up, I just can’t get over the fact that while these versions of Star Rubies in other sports are still highly desirable, they don’t make people lose their minds the way the ‘97 PMG or, what would have been, ‘98 Star Rubies. This puts a damper on them to me.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

I don’t know if this is true but it seems like Crusade has fallen off relative to Star Rubies and some other cards in the recent boom. Even though I don’t collect Griffey, I use him as something of a proxy for the high end 90s player. His Red Crusade basically goes for the same as Star Rubies. And on a % gain basis, it has gained way less from pre-boom prices than Star Rubies. That being said, I do think I prefer the Crusade card.

Another issue for me, as someone who collects multiple sports, is there is no 97 PMG or 98 Star Rubies. In other sports these were hands down the best looking cards, not to mention the first. Why they didn’t do these for baseball is beyond me. But whenever one of these cards comes up, I just can’t get over the fact that while these versions of Star Rubies in other sports are still highly desirable, they don’t make people lose their minds the way the ‘97 PMG or, what would have been, ‘98 Star Rubies. This puts a damper on them to me.

This thread continues to feel like another attempt to push people to buy or “invest” in something. Wouldn’t happen to work at an auction house, would you?

[joey_peapod]

Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

I don’t know if this is true but it seems like Crusade has fallen off relative to Star Rubies and some other cards in the recent boom. Even though I don’t collect Griffey, I use him as something of a proxy for the high end 90s player. His Red Crusade basically goes for the same as Star Rubies. And on a % gain basis, it has gained way less from pre-boom prices than Star Rubies. That being said, I do think I prefer the Crusade card.

Another issue for me, as someone who collects multiple sports, is there is no 97 PMG or 98 Star Rubies. In other sports these were hands down the best looking cards, not to mention the first. Why they didn’t do these for baseball is beyond me. But whenever one of these cards comes up, I just can’t get over the fact that while these versions of Star Rubies in other sports are still highly desirable, they don’t make people lose their minds the way the ‘97 PMG or, what would have been, ‘98 Star Rubies. This puts a damper on them to me.

His red crusade sells for about 10-20k more than his rubies depending on condition

[RiceBondsMT2Yng]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

This thread continues to feel like another attempt to push people to buy or “invest” in something. Wouldn’t happen to work at an auction house, would you?

I think it’s less nefarious than that. He’s trying to decide which one to buy/invest in. That’s a hard question to advise on. All I know is that baseball guys prefer Crusade by a vast margin.

If you go for the Ruby you like less and end up making the wrong investment call, then you missed out on a super rare Crusade for your collection for nothing. If you go for the Crusade you like more and are wrong on the investment call, then you missed out on a superior investing opportunity by not picking up the Ruby but you’ll still have the card you like more. Assuming you prefer the Crusade, I guess it’s up to each person to decide what missed opportunity would bother them more.

[mouschi]

I think this thread needs pics of a Crusade Rainbow ...

[SoccerRCs]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

This thread continues to feel like another attempt to push people to buy or “invest” in something. Wouldn’t happen to work at an auction house, would you?

???. Asking how two cards are viewed is pumping? Wow. What did I miss?

Your signature clearly seems to suggest you don’t like people who view cards as investments. But the days of “Oh my cardboard is no nice and cheap and I love collecting,” are over. It’s never going back. Accordingly, I invest in what I like. I don’t flip. I invest. Important distinction.

[SoccerRCs]

Originally Posted by mouschi

I think this thread needs pics of a Crusade Rainbow ...

Awesome pic man. Like this version of Crusade over the CTA cards. My favorite player is on a CTA unfortunately.

[magicpapa]

Originally Posted by mouschi

I think this thread needs pics of a Crusade Rainbow ...

[98pmgs]

99 Star Rubies.

Look at how poorly the 96 Mirror Gold Jeter performed on PWCC. I could have swore this was going to be a 200K+ card this time around.

If it's not popular in basketball, it won't get the "investment" reach you want.

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

???. Asking how two cards are viewed is pumping? Wow. What did I miss?

Your signature clearly seems to suggest you don’t like people who view cards as investments. But the days of “Oh my cardboard is no nice and cheap and I love collecting,” are over. It’s never going back. Accordingly, I invest in what I like. I don’t flip. I invest. Important distinction.

A lot of people are like this.
My recommendation for those people is to pick up a second job.

[mouschi]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

99 Star Rubies.

Look at how poorly the 96 Mirror Gold Jeter performed on PWCC. I could have swore this was going to be a 200K+ card this time around.

If it's not popular in basketball, it won't get the "investment" reach you want.

Orly? What did it do?

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

99 Star Rubies.

Look at how poorly the 96 Mirror Gold Jeter performed on PWCC. I could have swore this was going to be a 200K+ card this time around.

If it's not popular in basketball, it won't get the "investment" reach you want.

Ya all those Panini baseball cards are doing huge numbers

[mouschi]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

99 Star Rubies.

Look at how poorly the 96 Mirror Gold Jeter performed on PWCC. I could have swore this was going to be a 200K+ card this time around.

If it's not popular in basketball, it won't get the "investment" reach you want.

Ahh I just saw it. I think the $200k one was PSA 10 and the $96k one that just ended was BGS 9. That could have something to do with it, but still ... the PSA 10 sold in 2019, it looks like. Weird!

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by mouschi

Ahh I just saw it. I think the $200k one was PSA 10 and the $96k one that just ended was BGS 9. That could have something to do with it, but still ... the PSA 10 sold in 2019, it looks like. Weird!

I wasn’t around in 2019. Didn’t know it was a psa 10 that sold. I still think the sale was really disappointing considering mirror gold was supposed to be the premier set for baseball inserts.

But that’s just my opinion. I’m not well versed in 90s baseball but just from what I’ve noticed!

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

I wasn’t around in 2019. Didn’t know it was a psa 10 that sold. I still think the sale was really disappointing considering mirror gold was supposed to be the premier set for baseball inserts.

But that’s just my opinion. I’m not well versed in 90s baseball but just from what I’ve noticed!

Lol so the guy who doesn't know anything about 90s baseball and compares a PSA 10 sale to a BGS 9 sale says that said 90s baseball sale proves that set popularity in baseball cards follows basketball popularity. Gotta love it

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Lol so the guy who doesn't know anything about 90s baseball and compares a PSA 10 sale to a BGS 9 sale says that said 90s baseball sale proves that set popularity in baseball cards follows basketball popularity. Gotta love it

The card sold in 2019. 200K in 2019 is a ton of money. Especially in cards. How many cards were going for 200K back in 2019? lmao.

Curry NT RPA's were 20K. Lebron Exquisite RPA was probably 75K? Jordan PMGs were 10-15K?

Cards have seen a substantial boom since 2019.

So you're telling me a BGS 9 at 90K today is great and not a big disappointment? I bet the owner of the card was expecting a lot more.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CgKSwjXJwV0/?hl=en

"Bidding farewell to the last Derek Jeter card in my collection. Surely his most important rookie card out there. Non has surfaced the market in the past few years. The last one comp I could find was sold $200k+ in 2019 before the current market explosion. The Brady contender tix I sold two years ago is a 2m card now and that one is out of /100. imagine the potential of this card. Only 30 ever produced. Some say even less. I believe this card will go down as one of the most important modern card. The 1996 select mirror gold was an amazing set and utterly popular when it first came out. His documentary is also coming out this month coincide with #nsccshow. Brought to you by the same team that produced #thelastdance. Will it have the same effects on Jeter’s cards?"

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

The card sold in 2019. 200K in 2019 is a ton of money. Especially in cards.
Curry NT RPA's were 20K. Lebron Exquisite RPA was probably 75K? Jordan PMGs were 10-15K?

Cards have seen a substantial boom since 2019.

So you're telling me a BGS 9 at 90K today is great and not a big disappointment? I bet the owner of the card was expecting a lot more.

A BGS 9 and a PSA 10 in a Jeter Gold Mirror is like two different universes. I have no idea why you're quoting prices of a bunch of jersey patch cards. Patches are worth jack in baseball and no one cares about them. If you are trying to flesh out if the BGS 9 sale was high or low, I'd suggest comparing to baseball 90s mega insert sales, not 2000s NBA patches

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Ya all those Panini baseball cards are doing huge numbers

Panini, first off is not licensed for baseball. I don't even know why you would bring this up like its a relative comp. I wouldn't buy that crap. The only Panini product I buy is LICENSED NT RPAs.

and I was comparing 90s inserts.

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by BBases31

A BGS 9 and a PSA 10 in a Jeter Gold Mirror is like two different universes. I have no idea why you're quoting prices of a bunch of jersey patch cards. Patches are worth jack in baseball and no one cares about them. If you are trying to flesh out if the BGS 9 sale was high or low, I'd suggest comparing to baseball 90s mega insert sales, not 2000s NBA patches

"Bidding farewell to the last Derek Jeter card in my collection. Surely his most important rookie card out there. Non has surfaced the market in the past few years. The last one comp I could find was sold $200k+ in 2019 before the current market explosion. The Brady contender tix I sold two years ago is a 2m card now and that one is out of /100. imagine the potential of this card. Only 30 ever produced. Some say even less. I believe this card will go down as one of the most important modern card. The 1996 select mirror gold was an amazing set and utterly popular when it first came out. His documentary is also coming out this month coincide with #nsccshow. Brought to you by the same team that produced #thelastdance. Will it have the same effects on Jeter’s cards?"

Does this sound like a dude expecting he was gonna get 90K for this card?

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

I don't even know why you would bring this up like its a relative comp.

I don't know why you would bring up NBA jersey patches as a relative comp to a 1996 Jeter. Baseball is the sport here.

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by BBases31

I don't know why you would bring up NBA jersey patches as a relative comp to a 1996 Jeter. Baseball is the sport here.

I'm explaining to you know that back in 2019, 200K was a TON of money.
Cards have EXPLODED since. Why hasn't this card gone up the same?

a 98 PMG base Jeter back in 2019, was probably a 3-4K card.
how much do you think it is today?

now compare that the mirror gold.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

"Bidding farewell to the last Derek Jeter card in my collection. Surely his most important rookie card out there. Non has surfaced the market in the past few years. The last one comp I could find was sold $200k+ in 2019 before the current market explosion. The Brady contender tix I sold two years ago is a 2m card now and that one is out of /100. imagine the potential of this card. Only 30 ever produced. Some say even less. I believe this card will go down as one of the most important modern card. The 1996 select mirror gold was an amazing set and utterly popular when it first came out. His documentary is also coming out this month coincide with #nsccshow. Brought to you by the same team that produced #thelastdance. Will it have the same effects on Jeter’s cards?"

Does this sound like a dude expecting he was gonna get 90K for this card?

He sounds like someone who just collects super expensive cards in multiple sports and wouldn't know the 90s baseball insert market as well as a random 90s insert collector on this board. If you want to know if the 90k was high or low, find the thread on this board and you will get a very solid answer quickly.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

I'm explaining to you know that back in 2019, 200K was a TON of money.
Cards have EXPLODED since. Why hasn't this card gone up the same?

You are comparing a BGS 9 and PSA 10. They might as well be different cards at that level when talking about a Jeter Mirror Gold. The multiplier could easily be 4x. You don't seem to get this, that's ok

[98pmgs]

Originally Posted by BBases31

You are comparing a BGS 9 and PSA 10. They might as well be different cards at that level when talking about a Jeter Mirror Gold. The multiplier could easily be 4x. You don't seem to get this, that's ok

a PSA 8 sold for 20K in 2016
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1043657
thread cracks me up of people talking about overpay and stuff lmao. stuff hasn't changed today still lol.

no matter how you place it, the appreciation of this card is low compared the relative basketball sets.
this is supposed to be one of the greatest baseball inserts ever made.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by 98pmgs

no matter how you place it, the appreciation of this card is low compared the relative basketball sets.

What? Cool story bro. This started with you saying that Rubies are better than Crusade because the Jeter sale was 90k which means that baseball card popularity follows basketball popularity(makes a whole lot of sense ). We established that was complete bunk. Now you've evolved into basketball has gotten more expensive than baseball. Don't care. You might want to look up what the most expensive cards of all time are though(Hint: it ain't hoops) Cheers