Polling Collectors! Where do you reside to help determine the next NSCC location?

[Bigjigglies]

Originally Posted by 22emmittfan

The Tampa convention center is a perfect place. Easy airport and plenty of hotels. Weather is nice with beaches close by to make a family event out of it. Great food and an excellent facility to host it.

Tampa convention center is way to small. Not to mention other issues with florida having no chance.

[727sportscards]

Originally Posted by 22emmittfan

The Tampa convention center is a perfect place. Easy airport and plenty of hotels. Weather is nice with beaches close by to make a family event out of it. Great food and an excellent facility to host it.

I live 30 minutes from it…way too small for what the National demands. Closest it would ever be to Tampa would probably be Atlanta. Orlando CC is big enough and easy to get to for most of the country but is probably considered too remote to be seriously considered.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by cfern023

Somewhere in Florida.

Not centrally located enough. Look at population maps. There is reason why it keeps being held in Chicago and eastern locations. FL would never be considered because of it. They won't want to take risk of attenedce being down with people not wanting to travel. Plus some area's in FL in end of July can be very warm they might not want to have a national when it's 90s outside.

[packman80]

If National would ever go south I think only two locations you could really consider is Dallas or Atlanta. West I think it's Vegas or nothing. Though someone mentioned Nashville that seems like a interesting idea as you meet more in the middle for people traveling from the Midwest, East, and South.

[gododgersfan]

packman80, Dallas would be on my list too. Huge convention center, good geography/middle of the country, Panini America HQ, Beckett grading, top 10 city in population, a large collector base (as shown by the Dallas Show), and etc. Unfortunately, dealers are just not willing to travel.

[Blanketcards]

Indianapolis would be great. Better environment than Chicago, airport easy to use, and downtown area with convention center has every amenity needed. They can handle the size easy as the convention center is almost 600K SQ Ft.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by gododgersfan

packman80, Dallas would be on my list too. Huge convention center, good geography/middle of the country, Panini America HQ, Beckett grading, top 10 city in population, a large collector base (as shown by the Dallas Show), and etc. Unfortunately, dealers are just not willing to travel.

Probably because for the majority of the East Coast dealers, corporate sponsors, and large hobby shops like BO, it's a 2 day trip there and a 2 day trip back which increases costs compared to Chicago, Cleveland, and AC which they can travel to in 1 day.

[therealcjc33]

Originally Posted by Saraste

As I have stated before in other similar threads, the main reason a National will never be held here in Florida (Orlando being the most likely location if they were to do it) is because of the unpredictability of tropical storms/hurricanes.

AC isn't immune to hurricanes, yet they host it there?

[renlow]

your pole means nothing to them...all about cheap venue and cheap hotels

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Blanketcards

Indianapolis would be great. Better environment than Chicago, airport easy to use, and downtown area with convention center has every amenity needed. They can handle the size easy as the convention center is almost 600K SQ Ft.

Let me guess, you are in Indiana?

Indy would not be great. The airport is easy to use, because it is much, much smaller with fewer flights then the bigger airports that the National relies on.

Chicago's O'Hare handles 27MIL passengers per year. JFK is 15MIL & Newark is 14MIL. Both of those would be the main ports for flights to the East Coast Natty.

Indy handles under 2MIL.

The National should be Chicago and Cleveland. Both of which have drawn the highest praise from collectors and dealers. And both of which had the highest attendance rates.

Cleveland only got bumped out, when their I-X Center got shut down. That is coming back on line now.

Cleveland is right in the middle of nearly 70% of the US's population. Big reason to put it back there again. As most people can just drive to it

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Grid

Let me guess, you are in Indiana?

Indy would not be great. The airport is easy to use, because it is much, much smaller with fewer flights then the bigger airports that the National relies on.

Chicago's O'Hare handles 27MIL passengers per year. JFK is 15MIL & Newark is 14MIL. Both of those would be the main ports for flights to the East Coast Natty.

Indy handles under 2MIL.

The National should be Chicago and Cleveland. Both of which have drawn the highest praise from collectors and dealers. And both of which had the highest attendance rates.

Cleveland only got bumped out, when their I-X Center got shut down. That is coming back on line now.

Cleveland is right in the middle of nearly 70% of the US's population. Big reason to put it back there again. As most people can just drive to it

Cleveland and Rosemont have always been my favorite National locations. I hate AC and disliked Baltimore.

The only complaint I have heard from people about Cleveland is mainly from people who love the convenience of staying right across the street in Rosemont. Yes it is convenient, but you have so many more food choices in Cleveland. You just have to drive to and from the convention center; but parking is free.

[Blanketcards]

Originally Posted by Grid

Let me guess, you are in Indiana?

Indy would not be great. The airport is easy to use, because it is much, much smaller with fewer flights then the bigger airports that the National relies on.

Chicago's O'Hare handles 27MIL passengers per year. JFK is 15MIL & Newark is 14MIL. Both of those would be the main ports for flights to the East Coast Natty.

Indy handles under 2MIL.

The National should be Chicago and Cleveland. Both of which have drawn the highest praise from collectors and dealers. And both of which had the highest attendance rates.

Cleveland only got bumped out, when their I-X Center got shut down. That is coming back on line now.

Cleveland is right in the middle of nearly 70% of the US's population. Big reason to put it back there again. As most people can just drive to it

I am in Indiana and thought Chicago was a great setup. Indy was able to handle a Superbowl and has large conventions all the time. Superbowl weekend typically has 500K people so I don't think the airport is an issue. I feel like the downtown area where the convention center is located is ideal. Tons of restaurants, hotels, and other attractions. All within walking distance and not a ton of zombies walking around like AC. The issue with Cleveland is not alot is within walking distance. Hotels and restaurants are not super close. It is still a fairly centrally located area and for me still an easy drive. Never want to go back to AC imo.

[badkarma318]

Regarding all of the "east coast dealers won't travel" comments - so what? F**k 'em if they're not willing to travel further like all of the non-east coast dealers have had to do for many years. Why should they be exempt from cross-country travel here and there? If anyone genuinely believes that a highly successful National could not take place without most/all of the precious east coast dealers attending, you are delusional. There are thousands of west coast dealers who would snap up their spots before you could say "east coast bias". If they can't be inconvenienced with having to travel beyond their little personal playground rotation once every decade, they should probably retire.

[kon jelly]

Originally Posted by badkarma318

Regarding all of the "east coast dealers won't travel" comments - so what? F**k 'em if they're not willing to travel further like all of the non-east coast dealers have had to do for many years. Why should they be exempt from cross-country travel here and there? If anyone genuinely believes that a highly successful National could not take place without most/all of the precious east coast dealers attending, you are delusional. There are thousands of west coast dealers who would snap up their spots before you could say "east coast bias". If they can't be inconvenienced with having to travel beyond their little personal playground rotation once every decade, they should probably retire.

I mean it's simple demographics why the east coast and midwest are more suited for national shows:

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by badkarma318

Regarding all of the "east coast dealers won't travel" comments - so what? F**k 'em if they're not willing to travel further like all of the non-east coast dealers have had to do for many years. Why should they be exempt from cross-country travel here and there? If anyone genuinely believes that a highly successful National could not take place without most/all of the precious east coast dealers attending, you are delusional. There are thousands of west coast dealers who would snap up their spots before you could say "east coast bias". If they can't be inconvenienced with having to travel beyond their little personal playground rotation once every decade, they should probably retire.

So you think your hosts here on BO should just retire? We aren't talking about small dealers with cards. We are talking about all of the major card stores like BO, Steel City Cards, Dave & Adams, etc. They supply the majority of boxes and cases at the National for redemptions and the breakers. When Topps used to release a product like Topps Chrome when the National starts, do you know how much those guys sell? Or do you expect them to have to shell out thousands more dollars in expenses to drive their inventory to California and Vegas and pay more expenses for their employees to get there?

[badkarma318]

Originally Posted by kon jelly

I mean it's simple demographics why the east coast and midwest are more suited for national shows:

I've seen all the maps, and not arguing population density (but let's not pretend the west coast is a barren wasteland, either). More people living on the east coast would have zero effect on attendance if it was held in Vegas - all attendance/sales records would be broken, guaranteed. Just hoping for more fairness/variety in the selection of venues - should every dealer/attendee west of Texas just have to bite the bullet regarding higher costs across the board forever? Does that seem fair? I don't think it's unreasonable to have a west coast venue added to the rotation every so often.

Originally Posted by fulltritty

So you think your hosts here on BO should just retire? We aren't talking about small dealers with cards. We are talking about all of the major card stores like BO, Steel City Cards, Dave & Adams, etc. They supply the majority of boxes and cases at the National for redemptions and the breakers. When Topps used to release a product like Topps Chrome when the National starts, do you know how much those guys sell? Or do you expect them to have to shell out thousands more dollars in expenses to drive their inventory to California and Vegas and pay more expenses for their employees to get there?

See my answer above.

Driving is not the only way to transport goods/personnel.

What about all of the dealers who have had to pay the additional costs to travel cross-country (or close to it) for decades to attend the same 3 or 4 venues - that's just fine? This has been pretty much a one-way street for far too long.

I'm pretty sure BO and the other big boys you mentioned could absorb the additional costs for a west coast trip once a decade. The National has been held in CA numerous times, and if BO and the others were around then, I'm sure they came out ahead.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by badkarma318

I'm pretty sure BO and the other big boys you mentioned could absorb the additional costs for a west coast trip once a decade. The National has been held in CA numerous times, and if BO and the others were around then, I'm sure they came out ahead.

Is there a west coast site comparable to Rosemont? I can't think of any California city that has a big enough convention center that's also close to the airport. Both LA's and Anaheim's are really far. That leaves Bay Area and San Diego (and LV for those immune to the heat).

[SupermanBrandon]

A West Coast National isn’t happening any time soon. Too much money involved now and the economics make zero sense.


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[Timsterino]

Originally Posted by Saraste

As I have stated before in other similar threads, the main reason a National will never be held here in Florida (Orlando being the most likely location if they were to do it) is because of the unpredictability of tropical storms/hurricanes.

Then mix it up and have the National in Florida in December. Who doesn’t want to escape the cold in the North? Nothing says it has to be in July.

[Timsterino]

BTW, AC is closer to me than Chicago and I hope that they never hold it there again. What a festering dump it is. I remember 20 years ago how terrible it was and it has only gotten worse.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Timsterino

Then mix it up and have the National in Florida in December. Who doesn’t want to escape the cold in the North? Nothing says it has to be in July.

Kids in school and holidays is why it won't work in December. I can tell you in 2020 when the National postponed the original July date to December because of COVID, everyone I knew who had kids (whether they bring them to the show or not) was not going to go to a show in December. Not only was school in session, but most of their money was tied up in Christmas gifts.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by badkarma318

I've seen all the maps, and not arguing population density (but let's not pretend the west coast is a barren wasteland, either). More people living on the east coast would have zero effect on attendance if it was held in Vegas - all attendance/sales records would be broken, guaranteed. Just hoping for more fairness/variety in the selection of venues - should every dealer/attendee west of Texas just have to bite the bullet regarding higher costs across the board forever? Does that seem fair? I don't think it's unreasonable to have a west coast venue added to the rotation every so often.



See my answer above.

Driving is not the only way to transport goods/personnel.

What about all of the dealers who have had to pay the additional costs to travel cross-country (or close to it) for decades to attend the same 3 or 4 venues - that's just fine? This has been pretty much a one-way street for far too long.

I'm pretty sure BO and the other big boys you mentioned could absorb the additional costs for a west coast trip once a decade. The National has been held in CA numerous times, and if BO and the others were around then, I'm sure they came out ahead.

I'm sure it would cost the major card dealers an arm and leg to have to air freight everything out to the West Coast to begin with. Then there is the additional cost to get addition items they may be running out of air freighted out there. In 2016 when the National was in AC, Steiner had a great deal on mystery baseballs. They were so great, they ran out of them quickly. They had an employee drive back up to New Rochelle, NY and drive more product down to AC for the next day's show.

I'm not sure BO or some of the other big wax dealers ever attended a west coast National. It was only held in Anaheim 2 times since BO was in business and once since Steel City was in business.

[badkarma318]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Is there a west coast site comparable to Rosemont? I can't think of any California city that has a big enough convention center that's also close to the airport. Both LA's and Anaheim's are really far. That leaves Bay Area and San Diego (and LV for those immune to the heat).

I don't know enough about the exact number of facilities that are large enough/in close proximity to airports to speculate on that point, but the majority of those who just attended in AC (and flew in/out) seem to agree that they would like to never do that again, so whatever west coast-ish site that may be selected in the future could only be an improvement on that, at a minimum.

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I'm sure it would cost the major card dealers an arm and leg to have to air freight everything out to the West Coast to begin with. Then there is the additional cost to get addition items they may be running out of air freighted out there. In 2016 when the National was in AC, Steiner had a great deal on mystery baseballs. They were so great, they ran out of them quickly. They had an employee drive back up to New Rochelle, NY and drive more product down to AC for the next day's show.

I'm not sure BO or some of the other big wax dealers ever attended a west coast National. It was only held in Anaheim 2 times since BO was in business and once since Steel City was in business.

I personally know of at least 4 occasions (similar travel/transport circumstances) in my industry where it was considerably cheaper to transport goods/personnel via air vs. ground. Small sample size, but definitely possible (many variables, obviously). The "having to return to replenish stock" is a valid point, but I wonder how often that really happens per show. It would seem that better thought/planning/anticipation would all but eliminate that potential problem. I don't think it's unreasonable to have to endure these inconveniences once every 5-10 years, as they've had it their way more than Burger King. Imagine if all of the big boys were located on the west coast, yet the National was always held on the east coast . . .

I would love to hear specifics from someone within BO who is involved in all of the logistics/planning/decision making, instead of just the standard "Never gonna happen" blanket statement from many here. Just because "This is the way we've always done it", doesn't mean that's how it always has to be. All of the dealers/attendees west of Texas have had to put up with higher costs/increased travel times, etc. for decades (there are even dealers from Hawaii and Canada) - all I'm asking for is a bit more fairness, as it's been pretty one-sided for a very long time.

[bigdog2003]

Why has nobody put on a huge show out west? I see the Dallas show on youtube all the time, somebody should step up and put on something big out west if there is truly the demand.

[Allen Ginter 99]

California is a trash can. Too many whack policies and way too expensive for them to host a nationals there. They said it before. It will never happen


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