Juan Soto Rejects $440M Offer From Nats

[Silent George]

There is a magical 10 day ish window in which all of us can dream that Juan Soto will be playing for our team.

Well, I mean, except for Nats fans.

[towerymt]

Still here for a little while longer. Unforgettable 2019 run

[Tank67]

Originally Posted by Seitas

Giants, Dodgers, Yankees…maybe the Cubs and Cardinals. You’re right there’s only a handful of teams that can afford to extend him. That’s doesn’t mean the nats will use that to guide their trade. They’ll take the best package without concern for an extension/new contract.

The Yankees refused to touch the CBT this past offseason but everyone forgets that. People wanted Cashman gone if you'd recall.

Dodgers are already over the tax, but I would have to agree that they don't care at all about it much like the Mets seemed to have stopped caring.

Really can't see the Cubs, Giants, or Cardinals taking on a big contract.

[mwash1983]

Originally Posted by brothertona

To me the Mets potential offers don't excite me - Alvarez is a great prospect but likely isn't a catcher, Baty is at a power position and doesn't hit homers, Mauricio can't hit, Peterson is ok, and they don't really have another major league piece that inspires a lot of excitement.

Alvarez is a league average catcher who is getting hall of fame comparisons from people who have seen baseball for a long time (Roy Campanella), Baty is lifting the ball now and I’ve seen him a ton and think he could be a Will Clark type hitter.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Alvarez is a league average catcher who is getting hall of fame comparisons from people who have seen baseball for a long time (Roy Campanella), Baty is lifting the ball now and I’ve seen him a ton and think he could be a Will Clark type hitter.

I also don't know why Alvarez couldn't stay behind the plate. He's no Ivan Rodriguez, but I expect him to stay there until a typical time - 29, 30 years old.

[Stech36]

The more I think about it, the more I realize how nobody is going to take Corbin with Soto and give up a bunch of prospects.

That would essentially make Soto cost $50 million in 2023 and 65 million in 2024

He gets that in a 2 year free agent deal, but that wouldn’t include giving up a ton of top prospects

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by Tank67

The Yankees refused to touch the CBT this past offseason but everyone forgets that. People wanted Cashman gone if you'd recall.

Dodgers are already over the tax, but I would have to agree that they don't care at all about it much like the Mets seemed to have stopped caring.

Really can't see the Cubs, Giants, or Cardinals taking on a big contract.

The Dodgers got that nice gift from the commish when they got to get rid of Bauer's MASSIVE deal for the year. That gives them room under the 4th, and highest luxury tax threshold.

Bauer has appealed, remember, and so it has to be in the back of the Dodger's mind that it's entirely possible their 2022 payroll is going to shoot up, if his suspension is reduced significantly.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by Seitas

I mostly agree with this post. The exception is that I think the nats will want some young controllable guys they can throw on the field right away. SF (Logan Webb, Camilo Doval, Joey Bart)…LA (Gavin Lux, Dustin May, Tony Gonsolin). Not all of them… but I think you’ll need to offer a mix of prospects and cost controlled MLB guys. If I were the Nats that’s what I’d look for. There won’t be any dumps or filler either, unless Washington tries to package Strasburg with Soto. Then the entire calculus changes.

Honestly, why would they care about MLB level players when they aren't looking to be competitive anytime soon?

The only reason to get any MLB level player is if they can flip them in a season or two IMO.

[Seitas]

Originally Posted by Zauron

Honestly, why would they care about MLB level players when they aren't looking to be competitive anytime soon?

The only reason to get any MLB level player is if they can flip them in a season or two IMO.

You still need to put a team on the field and it’s nice to have guys that can step in and contribute…even to a rebuilding team. When you have a generational talent like Soto you have to take advantage and get everything you can. Also I suppose the nats don’t want just a bunch of lottery tickets for a player that is likely the most valuable to ever hit the market. I would imagine that the nationals fans wouldn’t be too happy if the return was a bunch of high upside prospects that never pan out. Ownership would still like to sell tickets.

[sickmantz]

Do I have it right that the only "good" players the Nats have kept are Zimmerman and Strasburg? Out of all the great players they've drafted/developed? That seems indefensible.

Edit: I'm thinking of Rendon, Harper, Trea Turner, and now Soto when I say this.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Silent George

There is a magical 10 day ish window in which all of us can dream that Juan Soto will be playing for our team.

Well, I mean, except for Nats fans.

The Marlins would never part with one of their top prospects. That prospect could turn into a Juan Soto level player!

[StateEx]

Originally Posted by sickmantz

Do I have it right that the only "good" players the Nats have kept are Zimmerman and Strasburg? Out of all the great players they've drafted/developed? That seems indefensible.

Edit: I'm thinking of Rendon, Harper, Trea Turner, and now Soto when I say this.

Yep. Though they should get a pass on Rendon.

It's hard to believe they will have lost Harper and Soto.

[doowopbruce]

Originally Posted by brothertona

To me the Mets potential offers don't excite me - Alvarez is a great prospect but likely isn't a catcher, Baty is at a power position and doesn't hit homers, Mauricio can't hit, Peterson is ok, and they don't really have another major league piece that inspires a lot of excitement.

You don't know what you're talking about. Alvarez is an average defensive catcher with a well above average arm who can hit.

[Stech36]

Just wanted to say fangraphs has ranked Kyle Tucker #11 on their trade value series. As in the #11 most valuable trade chip in the entire sport,

Juan Soto will be higher, but they’re pretty close.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Stech36

Just wanted to say fangraphs has ranked Kyle Tucker #11 on their trade value series. As in the #11 most valuable trade chip in the entire sport,

Juan Soto will be higher, but they’re pretty close.

Well yeah... because he's cheap... he's not the 11th best player in trade value if everyone cost the same or was the same age

"Admittedly, this spot on the list assumes teams are interested in cheap production. Tucker will have his first trip through arbitration this winter, which means he’ll be meaningfully underpaid relative to his production for the next several years"

[JRX]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Well yeah... because he's cheap... he's not the 11th best player in trade value if everyone cost the same or was the same age

"Admittedly, this spot on the list assumes teams are interested in cheap production. Tucker will have his first trip through arbitration this winter, which means he’ll be meaningfully underpaid relative to his production for the next several years"

But cost and age aren't the same.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Well yeah... because he's cheap... he's not the 11th best player in trade value if everyone cost the same or was the same age

"Admittedly, this spot on the list assumes teams are interested in cheap production. Tucker will have his first trip through arbitration this winter, which means he’ll be meaningfully underpaid relative to his production for the next several years"

Yes…. That’s the point of the list

[mwash1983]

Going to be hilarious when they pitch around him and machado to pitch to the likes of Eric Hosmer and Luke Voit who stink worse than the national hitters.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Stech36

Yes…. That’s the point of the list

I’m well aware of the point

[quackhead]

Will the fans boo or cheer when Soto is at the plate on 8/12?

[t206blogcom]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Will the fans boo or cheer when Soto is at the plate on 8/12?

Cheer. Fans are tired of the owners and their track record of low balling stars, then losing/trading them away. (Harper, Turner, Rendon, Scherzer). The only one who got booed was Harper because he chose to leave. Soto has been polite and professional about the situation. He'll always be enshrined in Nats fans' hearts as part of the 2019 WS Champion team.

[Natsfan32]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

Cheer. Fans are tired of the owners and their track record of low balling stars, then losing/trading them away. (Harper, Turner, Rendon, Scherzer). The only one who got booed was Harper because he chose to leave. Soto has been polite and professional about the situation. He'll always be enshrined in Nats fans' hearts as part of the 2019 WS Champion team.

I agree completely. Trading Turner last year was unforgivable. If Soto is traded I am done with the Nats unless or until there is a new owner.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Natsfan32

I agree completely. Trading Turner last year was unforgivable. If Soto is traded I am done with the Nats unless or until there is a new owner.

There will be...he just doesn't want to be known as the guy who traded Soto.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by hammertime

There will be...he just doesn't want to be known as the guy who traded Soto.

You can either be the guy that traded Soto (and got something in return) or you can be the moron that let Soto walk out the door (and you got nothing back in return...at all). Either way...you've lost Soto. Now, it's just the lesser of the two evils. Pick your poison.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Will the fans boo or cheer when Soto is at the plate on 8/12?

Fans and ex-teammates gave him a great reception. Very cool.