Heritage’s SGC 9.5 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by rats60

Nope, bad takes. He didn't send it to PSA because he didn't wasn't it to get graded 9 ST. They talked SGC into putting into a 9.5 holder for a bunch of free publicity.

I could not have been more sarcastic in the post you are quoting

[7nohitter]

Rubes.

[Pugdogg]

When I saw this going up for auction I was stoked. Definitely think my measly 2.5 will benefit



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[whackadoo]

why is that only 2.5? looks more like a 4 to me. is there a crease or wrinkle we can't see?

Originally Posted by Pugdogg

When I saw this going up for auction I was stoked. Definitely think my measly 2.5 will benefit

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Pugdogg

When I saw this going up for auction I was stoked. Definitely think my measly 2.5 will benefit



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Send that to SCG and get “Pugdogg Collection” and “Finest Known 2.5 Example” on the flip.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

A third party grader is about preserving the history of a card. If a card has something unique to it that adds to the provenance or significance of the card, there is absolutely nothing improper about a grading card putting it on the label.

Seriously -- the only thing that should matter is that the grade is accurate. Having a customized label is trivial in comparison.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by atk825

There is no equivalent grade at PSA and one quick look at pop reports of both sites and you pretty quickly see that a whole #@#@#@#@ load of PSA 10s would be SGC 9.5.

But couldn't that mean PSA is the preferred grader for gem mint conditioned cards? PSA 10's command a higher price than SGC 10's, right?

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by atk825

There is no equivalent grade at PSA and one quick look at pop reports of both sites and you pretty quickly see that a whole #@#@#@#@ load of PSA 10s would be SGC 9.5.

It's the label that matters. Not the condition.

[Slvnumber2]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I respect your experience and knowledge, but let's not miss the VERY biased opinion you have of this card and what it can do for the value of your 52T (as well as your other Mantles). Of course you want the Rosen Collection auction to go to the moon... so your card rises along with it.

You could not be more incorrect about Matt and his Mantle. This card will not be sold from his collection so value is a moot point, and he has had absurd offers for it already. IMO it is more valuable due to the fact this 4.5 has the eye appeal of a card 3-4 grades higher but with a mere fraction of the cost.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

You could not be more incorrect about Matt and his Mantle. This card will not be sold from his collection so value is a moot point, and he has had absurd offers for it already. IMO it is more valuable due to the fact this 4.5 has the eye appeal of a card 3-4 grades higher but with a mere fraction of the cost.

He and I addressed it a few posts later.

He does talk about monetary value more than he should (specifically on IG) given his "will not be sold" stance on his cards, but I'm aware of and respect his passion.

[SupermanBrandon]

PSA 8 at best! Look at those stains.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Slvnumber2

You could not be more incorrect about Matt and his Mantle. This card will not be sold from his collection so value is a moot point, and he has had absurd offers for it already.

Lol of course he would sell it for the right price. Those "absurd offers" are probably near or just above market value

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Yeah, CGC does this with comics all the time and it’s no big deal. It’s in quotations too, it’s not like SGC is stating it as fact.

CGC labels can state Pedigrees, provenance, and file copies. That would be like if they just stated ‘from the Rosen find’. That’s not the part that Bbase is criticizing, and I agree with the point he’s making. CGC doesn’t have slogans like ‘Finest known copy’ or anything like that, nor could I see them doing that.

Originally Posted by mattglet

I respect your experience and knowledge, but let's not miss the VERY biased opinion you have of this card and what it can do for the value of your 52T (as well as your other Mantles). Of course you want the Rosen Collection auction to go to the moon... so your card rises along with it.

Also this. As I was reading the post you were quoting, I was thinking to myself: this poster almost certainly has Mantles. And lo and behold, the 52T mantle is posted at the end. Even if a person doesn’t intend to sell something at any time in the future, that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t want it to increase in value. Regardless, simply having the card creates some bias imo.

On that note, I always thought it was curious that lower copies even get a boost from monster sales like this (if they do). Clearly the monster >4M sale is because of being one the highest graded in the world. PSA 10/SGC 9.5 52T Mantle is kind of in its own bubble…with its own market, separate from more avg copies.

[cp312]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Great take. Both of them. Hit the nail on the head

Great counter points!

[cp312]

Originally Posted by towerymt

10 gem mint > 9.5 not-gem-mint

What's a PSA 9.5? Oh yeah right, there isn't one.

A PSA 10 could easily be a SGC 9 or 9.5 and never sniff an SGC 10, that's the issue with PSAs scale. Just as much as a PSA 9 could easily be a PSA 10 on another day, it's all arbitrary, subjective opinion.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by cp312

What's a PSA 9.5? Oh yeah right, there isn't one.

A PSA 10 could easily be a SGC 9 or 9.5 and never sniff an SGC 10, that's the issue with PSAs scale. Just as much as a PSA 9 could easily be a PSA 10 on another day, it's all arbitrary, subjective opinion.

Welcome to the world of grading!

[cp312]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Welcome to the world of grading!

It's why I don't grade!

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

A third party grader is about preserving the history of a card. If a card has something unique to it that adds to the provenance or significance of the card, there is absolutely nothing improper about a grading card putting it on the label.

To ask grading companies do anything other than grading is asking for trouble. The smaller their duties the better, there’s already way too much corruption associated with grading and graders,

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by whackadoo

why is that only 2.5? looks more like a 4 to me. is there a crease or wrinkle we can't see?

Wrinkle. You can lookup the cert at PSA and link back to the Goldin auction with description. Can also be looked up in the PWCC sales history to find their description that also mentions a light crease.

Hard to argue the 'high end' rating given by PWCC on that one.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by cp312

What's a PSA 9.5? Oh yeah right, there isn't one.

A PSA 10 could easily be a SGC 9 or 9.5 and never sniff an SGC 10, that's the issue with PSAs scale. Just as much as a PSA 9 could easily be a PSA 10 on another day, it's all arbitrary, subjective opinion.

Originally Posted by cp312

It's why I don't grade!

I see.

[thenwhatjk]

Why SGC and not PSA?

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Why SGC and not PSA?

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1#post18320981

[mantlefan7]

Here’s my lowly 3 - I know it’s not centered, but I’ve never really cared about centering unless it’s horribly off centered. Can’t complain for $7K.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

To ask grading companies do anything other than grading is asking for trouble. The smaller their duties the better, there’s already way too much corruption associated with grading and graders,

Spot on.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Spot on.

Not really. Part of grading has always been authentication. And provenance is a MAJOR part of authentication of collectibles. Having them write it on the slip is really not an issue. Would it really make a difference to you if they consider provenance during authentication but never mention it on the slip? I don't see why it would.