Heritage’s SGC 9.5 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I respect your experience and knowledge, but let's not miss the VERY biased opinion you have of this card and what it can do for the value of your 52T (as well as your other Mantles). Of course you want the Rosen Collection auction to go to the moon... so your card rises along with it.

No no, of course the grading company should include a 30 year old quote from a dealer on the grading slip. It's almost as if it also might mislead people thinking that quote was said around the time it was graded

[Mister2Bits]

I like the idea of putting notes on the flips of cards in historical collections or newsworthy finds. The Dimitri Young collection is a great example.

The SGC flip here though says "(1985 Rosen Find - "Finest Known Example"). The first part is the important historical FACTUAL information that adds value to the card. The second part is an opinion to help sell the card, which is a marketing line, which (IMO) doesn't belong on the flip. Especially considering there are 3 PSA 10's in existence.

Absolutely beautiful card though. I think I'll pass on purchasing though. Haha

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by BBases31

No no, of course the grading company should include a 30 year old quote from a dealer on the grading slip. It's almost as if it also might mislead people thinking that quote was said around the time it was graded

Dude shut up already. Nobody wants to hear you whine about this. Most of us are here to discuss an amazing piece of sportscard history.

[Doctor Claw]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I respect your experience and knowledge, but let's not miss the VERY biased opinion you have of this card and what it can do for the value of your 52T (as well as your other Mantles). Of course you want the Rosen Collection auction to go to the moon... so your card rises along with it.

Let's not try and guess or assume my thoughts and motivations, as I am happy to provide them— when work permits. I am admittedly very biased— but not because of money. Rather, it is because I love Mantle and the card. In fact all of his cards. Especially signed examples. I also feel the same way about other great cards in the hobby. I would say there are cards I like with a passion, not a bias.

Anyone who knows me in real life knows I could not care less about the value of my card, because it will never be for sale in my lifetime— and when I am dead, my kids better have their own careers and not be banking on the value of a baseball card. So I don't care about its value for anyone who succeeds me in its ownership, either. I just love the card, its centering, its history, its story/where it came from, etc.

In fact, here's how I really think when it comes to cards and money and value: I'd be ecstatic if the value of all my cards halved instantly, if it meant the price tags on the cards I want also halved. That way I could expand my collection. I buy to own forever and to enjoy in my collection what I find beautiful, rare, and significant to baseball. So while I do believe this Rosen Find card will have an affect on prices, that is merely a pretty easy observation to make in the midst of what is supposed to be a collegial discussion among card enthusiasts. What it will sell for, how and what that will impact, these are natural conversational topics and curiosities that do not need to be tied to a personal profit motive. And my prediction/observation on that impact is not made with any future profit motive for myself in mind. My card could become worth 500k and I would not sell it. And I would enjoy and love it the same if it were suddenly worth half what I paid for it. Perhaps it is a strange or unexpected take, yet it's how I view the subject and would rather share that than have people assuming my thoughts.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Dude shut up already. Nobody wants to hear you whine about this. Most of us are here to discuss an amazing piece of sportscard history.

Dude! Bro! Dude! I'm here to discuss this travesty that SGC perpetuated on what will be the most expensive card ever sold. Feel free to pass right over anything I post

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Doctor Claw

Let's not try and guess or assume my thoughts and motivations, as I am happy to provide them— when work permits. I am admittedly very biased— but not because of money. Rather, it is because I love Mantle and the card. In fact all of his cards. Especially signed examples. I also feel the same way about other great cards in the hobby. I would say there are cards I like with a passion, not a bias.

Anyone who knows me in real life knows I could not care less about the value of my card, because it will never be for sale in my lifetime— and when I am dead, my kids better have their own careers and not be banking on the value of a baseball card. So I don't care about its value for anyone who succeeds me in its ownership, either. I just love the card, its centering, its history, its story/where it came from, etc.

In fact, here's how I really think when it comes to cards and money and value: I'd be ecstatic if the value of all my cards halved instantly, if it meant the price tags on the cards I want also halved. That way I could expand my collection. I buy to own forever and to enjoy in my collection what I find beautiful, rare, and significant to baseball. So while I do believe this Rosen Find card will have an affect on prices, that is merely a pretty easy observation to make. It is not made with any future profit motive for me. My card could become worth 500k and I would not sell it. And I would enjoy and love it the same if it were suddenly worth half what I paid for it. Perhaps it is a strange or unexpected take, yet it's how I view the subject and would rather share that than have people assuming my thoughts.

I appreciate the follow-up, and I have no reason to believe it's not true.

But as you alluded to, we live in a world of pumpers, influencers, and hype bois so it's easy to be jaded when a post comes in looking like it's pumping and doesn't include more background behind the true motive.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by BBases31

A quote from a dealer that he used when he was trying to sell the card isn't a marketing line?



Good, so put Rosen Collection on there. You're missing the point. This is all stuff that someone should say when they are selling the card. The grading company is supposed to be completely objective and has a single job that should be done blind: authenticate and grade the card. Nothing else. Putting a marketing pitch on the slip sullies that integrity



Can I get SGC to put a quote from a dealer on my next SGC slip calling it the finest known example?



Good thing you have video evidence that that guy pulled it himself in 1952 and not just his word . Who even cares? The card is authentic, why would you care if 10 people owned it or 1?

I, for one, hope that you keep talking about it.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

The big difference is that Al Rosen is the only person in history to hold all ~40 ungraded Mickey Mantle cards in his hand. He held all of the PSA 10’s, 9’s, SGC 9’s and most of the 8’s. He only wrote that this one was the finest. It’s relevant to preserving the history of the card.

I bought his book when it first came out. About ten years ago he was at a show that I went to and I had him sign it. He thought it was actually kind of amusing that someone would want him to sign the book.

[Doctor Claw]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I appreciate the follow-up, and I have no reason to believe it's not true.

But as you alluded to, we live in a world of pumpers, influencers, and hype bois so it's easy to be jaded when a post comes in looking like it's pumping and doesn't include more background behind the true motive.

I totally agree and that is probably how I would first interpret any enthusiastic post these days. That said, there are definitely some very passionate collectors out there as well. That is what conversating and getting to know fellow collectors is all about I suppose. This time of year some exciting stuff comes to the major auction houses and definitely creates an excitement, which in turn should ideally spur good conversations among fellow collectors. And of course what some wildly significant pieces will sell for and what aftershocks if any that will have will be part of those convos.

[LCM1223]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Imagine getting this excited over the non-rookie

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

No one complains that the T206 Wagner isn't his rookie...

I...don't think Clark Kent was serious

[vwnut13]

That's a pretty sweet looking second-year card.

[imbluestreak23]

I have no problem with provenance monikers.

The huge Ty Cobb find (or was it Wager) where they found 7 of them in a house had a moniker to articulate that those copies were from that find.

Love it, and they don’t slap it on just anything for a fee, otherwise I’d add it too my high end stuff

[imbluestreak23]

Will say Mr Mint “seemed” like a POS from the find vids I’ve seen. Tossing autographed jerseys of Aaron or Mays in oil isn’t a good look while robbing someone blind

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Would love to see someone crack and submit this card to PSA.

PSA 9 ST.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

No one complains that the T206 Wagner isn't his rookie...

There is a big difference between 50 copies and 5000.

[aro13]

I like the label stating it is from the Rosen find. That gives huge provenance to a high grade card when alterations are always possible and it adds to the legitimacy.

The fact it say's "finest known" is simply an opinion the same as the 9.5 grade on the card.

[pete2345]

Nicest card ever made and its not even close. Sell your modern garbage cards and put it into cards like this.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by aro13

I like the label stating it is from the Rosen find. That gives huge provenance to a high grade card when alterations are always possible and it adds to the legitimacy.

The fact it say's "finest known" is simply an opinion the same as the 9.5 grade on the card.

Yeah, CGC does this with comics all the time and it’s no big deal. It’s in quotations too, it’s not like SGC is stating it as fact.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by pete2345

Nicest card ever made and its not even close. Sell your modern garbage cards and put it into cards like this.

How many Jazz Chisholm and Sandy Alcantara cards would I need to sell to be able to afford cards like this? Ten million?

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

A third party grader is about preserving the history of a card. If a card has something unique to it that adds to the provenance or significance of the card, there is absolutely nothing improper about a grading card putting it on the label.

Bingo...BBases is hopeless as usual

[cp312]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Was he right if there are 3 cards graded higher and they were afraid to send this one to PSA?

Maybe he didn't wanna pay PSA $10k for the card to be graded knowing it would be a 10, so he saved $7k and sent it to SGC?

Also a PSA 10 isn't a higher grade than an SGC 9.5. Since PSA doesn't have half grades they can't be compared accurately.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by cp312

Also a PSA 10 isn't a higher grade than an SGC 9.5. Since PSA doesn't have half grades they can't be compared accurately.

10 gem mint > 9.5 not-gem-mint

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by cp312

Maybe he didn't wanna pay PSA $10k for the card to be graded knowing it would be a 10, so he saved $7k and sent it to SGC?

Also a PSA 10 isn't a higher grade than an SGC 9.5. Since PSA doesn't have half grades they can't be compared accurately.

Great take. Both of them. Hit the nail on the head

[atk825]

Originally Posted by towerymt

10 gem mint > 9.5 not-gem-mint

There is no equivalent grade at PSA and one quick look at pop reports of both sites and you pretty quickly see that a whole #@#@#@#@ load of PSA 10s would be SGC 9.5.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Great take. Both of them. Hit the nail on the head

Nope, bad takes. He didn't send it to PSA because he didn't wasn't it to get graded 9 ST. They talked SGC into putting into a 9.5 holder for a bunch of free publicity.