Heritage’s SGC 9.5 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle

[mcgoo2]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

wonder why the owner chose SGC instead of PSA or BGS?

All graders miss alterations on occasion but BVG (the BGS equivalent for vintage) has a reputation for being particularly inconsistent. It’d be a bigger red flag if it was graded BVG.

SGC and PSA are roughly equals in vintage, especially prewar. I’d guess the difference maker here is that SGC provides half grades while PSA just does whole numbers. A 9.5 looks better than a 9, especially when trying to make the argument that it’s the best card of the Rosen bunch.

[MoreToppsPlease]

So, how long before there’s another “find”?

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by towerymt

SGC 9.5 > PSA 7

BGS....

I just wish the hobby didn't turn into a used car salesmen sideshow - every week it seems we are seeing a "once in a lifetime" opportunity for sale.

[cardsin47]

…. And here’s her ‘Charmin Clean’ backside


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[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

It's not marketing. It's a significant fact. I trust SGC and their integrity over anyone when it comes to vintage. Not even close for me.

misguided allegiance. sgc's biggest customer was feeding them trimmed cards for decades. hence the holder change

[cardsin47]

Her front……
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[Doctor Claw]

Originally Posted by BBases31

A grading company's job is to grade the card. Doesn't matter if it came from this Rosen guy or Jeff Rosenberg down the street. Putting a marketing line on the grade slip questions their integrity whether they would intentionally inflate the grade.

It is not a marketing line; it speaks to the provenance of the card— and provenance, in the extremely rare cases where it even exists for a card this old, takes the piece to another level. This card was part of a famous find, and was deemed the best of that find by Rosen; as such, designating that on the flip is absolutely acceptable, and enhances the piece.

Were it possible upon a reholder down the line if/when needed, I would happily allow PSA or SGC to put any details of the provenance of my Mantle on its flip.

As to whether the grade is inflated, an examination of the card in the close ups provided reveals that it certainly merits the grade, at least in this experienced collector's eyes.

This 9.5 card from the Rosen find is dynamite regardless of whatever plastic holder it is in, bottom line.

This card and its imminent sale at auction will not just fuel inject the hobby and vintage in particular, but I suspect it will have great impact on Mantles— especially the prettier examples with rare centering. I also suspect its aftershocks will affect the 1951B and 1953T Mantles.

While this 9.5 is certainly king and it is hard to envision a prettier copy existing, only equalling it, I am glad to have this humble 4.5, with traceable provenance to its original pack via its one prior owner, who pulled it back in 1952. I love that 9.5 yet am happy not to pay 10 million smackers for corners

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Doctor Claw

It is not a marketing line

A quote from a dealer that he used when he was trying to sell the card isn't a marketing line?

it speaks to the provenance of the card— and provenance, in the extremely rare cases where it even exists for a card this old, take the piece to another level. This card was part of a famous find

Good, so put Rosen Collection on there. You're missing the point. This is all stuff that someone should say when they are selling the card. The grading company is supposed to be completely objective and has a single job that should be done blind: authenticate and grade the card. Nothing else. Putting a marketing pitch on the slip sullies that integrity

and was deemed the best of that find by Rosen, as such, designating that on the flip is absolutely acceptable, and enhances the piece.

Can I get SGC to put a quote from a dealer on my next SGC slip calling it the finest known example?

While this 9.5 is certainly king and it is hard to envision a prettier copy existing, only equalling it, I am glad to have this humble 4.5, with traceable provenance to its original pack via its one prior owner, who pulled it back in 1952.

Good thing you have video evidence that that guy pulled it himself in 1952 and not just his word . Who even cares? The card is authentic, why would you care if 10 people owned it or 1?

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by Doctor Claw

Dude.....

[SupermanBrandon]

Mr Mint is the original "flipper" & "influencer"

[SupermanBrandon]

Imagine getting this excited over the non-rookie

[sickmantz]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Not even close to as bad as putting a quote on the slip from some dealer saying "Finest Known Example"

You just want to be mad.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Imagine getting this excited over the non-rookie

This is nothing. Wait til JRod Topps Chrome hits the street

[cp312]

Originally Posted by BBases31

A quote from a dealer that he used when he was trying to sell the card isn't a marketing line?

It's from AFTER he sold the card actually. And seems like he was right, so

[zbaseball21]

There's 3 PSA 10's so how can this one be the finest copy if it can't even get a SGC 10?

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by zbaseball21

There's 3 PSA 10's so how can this one be the finest copy if it can't even get a SGC 10?

It's almost as if a grading company should only be giving out grades

Originally Posted by sickmantz

You just want to be mad.

Why would anyone want to be mad?

Originally Posted by cp312

It's from AFTER he sold the card actually. And seems like he was right, so

Was he right if there are 3 cards graded higher and they were afraid to send this one to PSA?

[atk825]

Originally Posted by zbaseball21

There's 3 PSA 10's so how can this one be the finest copy if it can't even get a SGC 10?

Because old grading from PSA is likely a good bit softer than it vintage grading is now. There's a good chance that this card is cleaner than any of the 10s. Even on smaller vintage cards where I have been trying to find as high a grade as possible, I have an SGC 8.5 that is much cleaner than the PSA 9s in old slabs that come up.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I just wish the hobby didn't turn into a used car salesmen sideshow - every week it seems we are seeing a "once in a lifetime" opportunity for sale.

Kind of like every prospect is a “once in a lifetime” talent?

The “hobby” already is a used car salesman sideshow as most people are mostly in the hobby to sell.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by zbaseball21

There's 3 PSA 10's so how can this one be the finest copy if it can't even get a SGC 10?

1991 was a long time ago.

[ThoseBackPages]

did they really call it a Rookie Card?

[LVDan]

Certainly crispy sharp and centered.
Stains are forgiven from a time when there was no such thing as a “smoke free home”
I think.
Chesterfields or Camels were the two choices.


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[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Doctor Claw

It is not a marketing line; it speaks to the provenance of the card— and provenance, in the extremely rare cases where it even exists for a card this old, takes the piece to another level. This card was part of a famous find, and was deemed the best of that find by Rosen; as such, designating that on the flip is absolutely acceptable, and enhances the piece.

Were it possible upon a reholder down the line if/when needed, I would happily allow PSA or SGC to put any details of the provenance of my Mantle on its flip.

As to whether the grade is inflated, an examination of the card in the close ups provided reveals that it certainly merits the grade, at least in this experienced collector's eyes.

This 9.5 card from the Rosen find is dynamite regardless of whatever plastic holder it is in, bottom line.

This card and its imminent sale at auction will not just fuel inject the hobby and vintage in particular, but I suspect it will have great impact on Mantles— especially the prettier examples with rare centering. I also suspect its aftershocks will affect the 1951B and 1953T Mantles.

While this 9.5 is certainly king and it is hard to envision a prettier copy existing, only equalling it, I am glad to have this humble 4.5, with traceable provenance to its original pack via its one prior owner, who pulled it back in 1952. I love that 9.5 yet am happy not to pay 10 million smackers for corners

I respect your experience and knowledge, but let's not miss the VERY biased opinion you have of this card and what it can do for the value of your 52T (as well as your other Mantles). Of course you want the Rosen Collection auction to go to the moon... so your card rises along with it.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by towerymt

This is nothing. Wait til JRod Topps Chrome hits the street

At least the 2nd-year JROD will have the RC logo. Mantle's 2nd-year card doesn't have the RC logo, the Rookie Cup logo, or even any worthwhile parallels.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

Kinda like how the card being owned by Dimitri Young has nothing to do with the grading of the card?

LOL, Dmitri Young eventually rejected grading after seeing how the grading process works.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Imagine getting this excited over the non-rookie

No one complains that the T206 Wagner isn't his rookie...