Heritage’s SGC 9.5 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

He wasn't just some dealer. He was known as THE guy who would purchase high end collections like no one else. His words carried weight.

That's fine. Tell the world what that guy said. Has nothing to do with the grading of the card. Can I now find a dealer to give a quote to SGC about a high dollar card I grade with them to write on the slip?

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by BBases31

That's fine. Tell the world what that guy said. Has nothing to do with the grading of the card

Kinda like how the card being owned by Dimitri Young has nothing to do with the grading of the card?

[OhioLawyerF5]

A third party grader is about preserving the history of a card. If a card has something unique to it that adds to the provenance or significance of the card, there is absolutely nothing improper about a grading card putting it on the label.

[IntergalacticSp]

"No matter the final price for the rare Mantle rookie card, it will be a hefty profit for the current owner, a New Jersey waste management entrepreneur"

Tony Soprano is about to make out like a bandit

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

Kinda like how the card being owned by Dimitri Young has nothing to do with the grading of the card?

Agree but I can see there being at least something to noting that it came from a famous collection. Putting a dealer fluff marketing quote on a slip is absurd

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

A third party grader is about preserving the history of a card. If a card has something unique to it that adds to the provenance or significance of the card, there is absolutely nothing improper about a grading card putting it on the label.

Exactly

[mfisher27]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Agree but I can see there being at least something to noting that it came from a famous collection. Putting a dealer fluff marketing quote on a slip is absurd

How are these examples different from each other?

I’m pretty sure you can count the amount of people that liked Mr. Mint on 1, maybe 2 hands but that find of 1952 cards is a famous collection. Dmitri Young made more than $50 million in his career. Wouldn’t that have more of an effect on the quality of grading? Knowing it’s a well known athlete’s collection.

On top of everything, all the grading companies do it. PSA and SGC as seen in this thread and you can pay BGS $3/card to add the same thing.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by BBases31

That's fine. Tell the world what that guy said. Has nothing to do with the grading of the card. Can I now find a dealer to give a quote to SGC about a high dollar card I grade with them to write on the slip?

The big difference is that Al Rosen is the only person in history to hold all ~40 ungraded Mickey Mantle cards in his hand. He held all of the PSA 10’s, 9’s, SGC 9’s and most of the 8’s. He only wrote that this one was the finest. It’s relevant to preserving the history of the card.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by BBases31

I wouldn't trust the grade of any company that decided to add a marketing line on the grade slip

In these cases, I think it's for provenance

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by mfisher27

How are these examples different from each other?

Because one is a quote from a guy marketing the card and the other is just stating which collection it was in. Huge difference between "Rosen Collection" and "Rosen says Finest Known Example". It's a joke.

On top of everything, all the grading companies do it. PSA and SGC as seen in this thread and you can pay BGS $3/card to add the same thing.

I can pay $3 and get them to put anything I want on the label? So then that makes these labels like "Dmitri Young Collection" worthless as I can then pay $3 to have that put on my card with no check of if it's actually a part of the collection

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

The big difference is that Al Rosen is the only person in history to hold all ~40 ungraded Mickey Mantle cards in his hand. He held all of the PSA 10’s, 9’s, SGC 9’s and most of the 8’s. He only wrote that this one was the finest. It’s relevant to preserving the history of the card.

So go ahead and say that when you try to sell the card. The grading of a card is supposed to be 100% impartial

[bigdog2003]

Then don't buy the card if the quote being there offends you that much

[Jaypers]

Most beautiful copy I've ever seen. I'm predicting it'll pass $20M.

[grade]

Some browning on the top white borders?
Nice card. But how does it get 9.5+?

[UCCF]

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT View Post
Fun to read about Alan "Mr. Mint" Rosen....seems like he was an interesting (if over the top flamboyant is interesting) dude. Cannot fathom finding 75 Mint/Near-Mint Mantles.

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

He was all over the publications back in the days with his advertisements.

I was collecting back in the 80s, and this guy's name was in every card magazine you could find. I had a friend in college who did some business with him, and said the guy was just as you thought. Showed up at his house with a huge wad of cash, looked over what my friend had (which was cases of unopened 1970s baseball stuff that his dad had amassed), peeled off a stack of hundreds, and walked off with the whole thing.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by grade

Some browning on the top white borders?
Nice card. But how does it get 9.5+?

Yup, i personally feel that because of this flaw, it can't be higher than a 9. But at the same time, I am not completely against a 9.5 either given how everything else looks so perfect.

[grade]

Not sure about anything above 8. If i send a card with just a faint dot it gets a 7. wth??

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by grade

Not sure about anything above 8. If i send a card with just a faint dot it gets a 7. wth??

What did Mr. Mint have to say about your card?

[boxbuster7]

wonder why the owner chose SGC instead of PSA or BGS?

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

wonder why the owner chose SGC instead of PSA or BGS?

Shocker that the company who is willing put a marketing quote on their grading slip may have inflated the grade

Originally Posted by bigdog2003

Then don't buy the card if the quote being there offends you that much

You can bet I won't after that embarrassment

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

wonder why the owner chose SGC instead of PSA or BGS?

BGS isn't even in the discussion when it comes to vintage. And a lot of people who have been collecting for a while trust SGC's accuracy and rep more for vintage over PSA, including me.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

wonder why the owner chose SGC instead of PSA or BGS?

SGC 9.5 > PSA 7

BGS....

[yodastories]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Not even close to as bad as putting a quote on the slip from some dealer saying "Finest Known Example"

That doesn't bother me at all. What does bother me is that entire bottom edge of that Clemente doesn't feel very gem mint 10.

[towerymt]

Could have also got N5'd if it spent most of it's life in a screw-down. PSA known to reject cards that otherwise appear fine.

[cardsin47]

Here she is!
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